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Letcher Co shooting

After not being on the Paddock for months, I made the mistake of reading through this thread. What a bunch of easily swayed by rumor, ignorant, mouth breathers. No wonder Trump is the KY messiah.
Maybe try leaving for YEARS if you hated so much. I do not think ANYONE believes the rumors, just stated them. Great idea by you, just develop tunnel vision, it was a senseless murder, and call it a day. Nothing like the rumors tossed around have ever happened before. LOL. A lot more crazier shit has happened in this effed up world, it CAN be true, but as of now, only a "rumor".
 
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Anyone know if there will be a livestream of the preliminary hearing?

Im curious too. Was told today the lawyer hired was bartley from out of town. I know him but hes in somerset and from what i know he never practiced in letcher.

Curious if that means there is already a decision on change of venue or its expected to have mostly zoom bearings because thats a healthy drive to letcher if that has to be made very many times.
 
Is his wife his law partner? A Jeremy and Kerri Bartley entered their joint appearance on Friday.

Interesting.

Yes. I was unaware there was an entry of appearance but glad its out there.

Interesting for sure. Long way away both geographically and culturally (as weird as that might sound in rural ky, its true). Will help the prosecutor and presumably circuit judge will neither be local.
 
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Maybe try leaving for YEARS if you hated so much. I do not think ANYONE believes the rumors, just stated them. Great idea by you, just develop tunnel vision, it was a senseless murder, and call it a day. Nothing like the rumors tossed around have ever happened before. LOL. A lot more crazier shit has happened in this effed up world, it CAN be true, but as of now, only a "rumor".
Stating rumors is spreading rumors. About a man who was murdered.

And everyone's welcome to developing tunnel vision, because no one in this thread is in charge of solving this. There's much, much smarter people than your dumb ass whose job that is. They have access to witnesses and evidence instead of ”what I heard on duh Internet”. Just shut the f up
 
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Yes. I was unaware there was an entry of appearance but glad its out there.

Interesting for sure. Long way away both geographically and culturally (as weird as that might sound in rural ky, its true). Will help the prosecutor and presumably circuit judge will neither be local.
Yes, that's a long way from Letcher County. The preliminary hearing (in Morgan County, I think) is scheduled for today at 1:00 pm. Thought it would be waived but it hasn't yet been waived. Will be interesting to see if it takes place and what comes from it if it does.

As a sheriff and bailiff Stines undoubtedly knows a lot of attorneys. I'm not surprised that he either didn't want to retain or was unable to retain a Letcher County attorney, given the circumstances, but thought it would be an attorney or firm from the general area.
 
Yes, that's a long way from Letcher County. The preliminary hearing (in Morgan County, I think) is scheduled for today at 1:00 pm. Thought it would be waived but it hasn't yet been waived. Will be interesting to see if it takes place and what comes from it if it does.

As a sheriff and bailiff Stines undoubtedly knows a lot of attorneys. I'm not surprised that he either didn't want to retain or was unable to retain a Letcher County attorney, given the circumstances, but thought it would be an attorney or firm from the general area.

Agree. I suspect the circumstances made it difficult to hire someone local although noone in letcher could really handle this.

Im torn on the waiving. I always used it as early discovery but I dont think you get any discovery value from one here whereas the prosecution gets to put out motive etc further tainting any potential jury pool you have.

Plus you start the clock running in the very unlikely event they cant convene a grand jury to indict in time. Even if that happens, its just a dismissal without prejudice. That will still get the defendant temporarily out of jail. Irrelevant because they arent letting that date slip

At the same time, that publicity will help you as the attorney and is presumably one reason you take this case for a presumably discounted rate. That publicity wont effect your client because everyone already knows this case and its going to be pretty impossible to seat a jury anywhere that didn't hear about it.
 
Stating rumors is spreading rumors. About a man who was murdered.

And everyone's welcome to developing tunnel vision, because no one in this thread is in charge of solving this. There's much, much smarter people than your dumb ass whose job that is. They have access to witnesses and evidence instead of ”what I heard on duh Internet”. Just shut the f up

Stating rumors is spreading rumors. About a man who was murdered.

And everyone's welcome to developing tunnel vision, because no one in this thread is in charge of solving this. There's much, much smarter people than your dumb ass whose job that is. They have access to witnesses and evidence instead of ”what I heard on duh Internet”. Just shut the f up
WTF are you to come on here and try to dictate what people can and can't post ? If only you was as smart as you think you are. No one is spreading rumors, I said IF. You know IF the rumors are true. IF< IF< IF< IF, meaning I am not saying it is fact. But this is a message board, not a court of law. GFY and try not to think too much of yourself. I guess message boards need to be by the book, no discussing or having an opinion on anything, it all has to be posted as is, after the fact so nobody won't post something that isn't 100%. Waiting until everything or anything is over and done before discussing, kind of takes message boards whole purpose away, no ?

Discussing something does not mean spreading rumors.
 
Looks like the prosecution alluded to the daughter being the motive but let the video be the vast majority of the evidence.

Hard to say if this is going to be the motive or not but sure sounds like his belief is going to be their focus. Very small amount of evidence put on by the Commonwealth was the wise move.

 
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A couple important distinctions I'm still not sure about. First, was the daughter's phone number on Judge Mullins's phone already or was it on it because Sheriff Stines had called her from Judge Mullins' phone. That was unclear to me. Secondly, there's a person on X stating that the KSP detective testified that Sheriff Stines said Judge Mullins was going to kidnap his wife and daughter. I heard it differently and thought the KSP detective said Stines said "they" were going to kidnap his wife and daughter. Either way it sounds like a deranged mind but even more so about the "they" or "they're" part.
 
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A couple important distinctions I'm still not sure about. First, was the daughter's phone number on Judge Mullins's phone already or was it on it because Sheriff Stines had called her from Judge Mullins' phone. That was unclear to me. Secondly, there's a person on X stating that the KSP detective testified that Sheriff Stines said Judge Mullins was going to kidnap his wife and daughter. I heard it differently and thought the KSP detective said Stines said "they" were going to kidnap his wife and daughter. Either way it sounds like a deranged mind but even more so about the "they" or "they're" part.

I don't see any reporting on that during the prelim. I do recall initially there being reporting that he said after the act "they took my wife and daughter from me".
 
The video of the shooting is up on KY Trial Court Review if you want to see it for some reason. I see no way to watch it other than that the sheriff made absolutely sure the judge was dead and repeatedly made sure he followed up with multiple headshots from different angles.

Without some incredible explanation, I don't know how this is anything other than a death penalty case (I mean, other than who we have for a governor.)
 
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So the theory that I’ve read said that the sheriff’s wife and daughter had left him about a month earlier and that Judge Mullins being a family friend was in the process of assisting them. The sherrif supposedly called his daughter from his phone and she didn’t answer but did when he called from the judges phone. That’s when he hung up and shot him.

Also, the video that was played in court was hard to watch. Not to mention hearing the judge’s family’s grief.
 
So the theory that I’ve read said that the sheriff’s wife and daughter had left him about a month earlier and that Judge Mullins being a family friend was in the process of assisting them. The sherrif supposedly called his daughter from his phone and she didn’t answer but did when he called from the judges phone. That’s when he hung up and shot him.

Also, the video that was played in court was hard to watch. Not to mention hearing the judge’s family’s grief.

Well that story actually begins to make a bit of sense.

And, FWIW, I have no interest in watching a man shot to death.
 
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So the theory that I’ve read said that the sheriff’s wife and daughter had left him about a month earlier and that Judge Mullins being a family friend was in the process of assisting them. The sherrif supposedly called his daughter from his phone and she didn’t answer but did when he called from the judges phone. That’s when he hung up and shot him.

Also, the video that was played in court was hard to watch. Not to mention hearing the judge’s family’s grief.
This makes the most sense and if true, he should be locked away and not treated fairly as he requested.
 
So the theory that I’ve read said that the sheriff’s wife and daughter had left him about a month earlier and that Judge Mullins being a family friend was in the process of assisting them. The sherrif supposedly called his daughter from his phone and she didn’t answer but did when he called from the judges phone. That’s when he hung up and shot him.

Also, the video that was played in court was hard to watch. Not to mention hearing the judge’s family’s grief.

Makes sense. Seems to be no doubt he was suffering some mental disconnect. Disabled the office Facebook page and became distant and paranoid, apparently.

My assumption when there was the two phones was the sheriff had the daughter's. Just couldn't put together a reason the number would be in there other than the obvious.

Wont hear much more until indictment. Grand jury might ask for motive but that isn't open. Might take all the way until discovery or bills of particular.
 
I’m no expert on testimony or what exactly was expected from that Detective but he didn’t seem too up to speed on the investigation. I’m guessing he was being rather vague on purpose. He definitely wasn’t taking the bait on whether he thought there was some sort of mental disconnect after the sheriff got done with the phones before he shot. I also felt like he was acting a tad “ignorant” when it came to the phone record questions
 
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