There's an ancient Greek tragedy about a family consumed with trying to even out the injustices in their family by killing each other. There's no end of vigilantism and vendetta.
Letcher Co shooting
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There's an ancient Greek tragedy about a family consumed with trying to even out the injustices in their family by killing each other. There's no end of vigilantism and vendetta.
Definitely going wait and see on this one. Easier to see if there was an FBI investigation and they had worked together for years that they were connected and one had ratted than he raped the dudes daughter and kept evidence on his phone. Not ruling it out but the pedo revenge scenario does not seem realistic/logical sequence of events to me.
Maybe thats where i differ with some. I count sex with a highschool sr as morally, and usually legally, wrong but not pedo activity.
To me, pedo is reserved for a victim much younger.
Exactly. Imagine all of the people he has put away for doing a hell of lot less crimes than that. No excuse or justification to take another humans life. Even IF he did it, that does not excuse murdering someone. This may be highly controversial, but the daughter is not exactly innocent IF true. 16 years old, while still a minor, she knows right from wrong, and IF she had a sexual relationship with the judge, I am fairly certain it was not her first time. Should the sheriff kill everyone she may have had a relationship with ? What if she did with a 18/19 year old ???
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If he had "stuff" on his phone with the daughter, not sure it was rape. Especially if they had text exchanges between them, that would shed a lot clearer light.
We also have no idea how long this has gone on or when he did it, they were friends for a long time, what if he’s been doing it for many years? I understand the view of age related matters but dude is 55, he shouldn’t have been around her when she was 14, 15, 16. That is still scumbag behavior and rape is rape. All we know is whatever happened between them was enough for him to go in the courthouse and shoot him. We will just have to wait to see what was true or what comes out about this in the coming years. Crazy story nonetheless. Anyone on here from that county?
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Could be the sheriff/judge were involved in some kind of malfeasance and one had flipped on the other. I think that's likely.
I’ve heard the judge has actually done a lot of good in the community, particularly in regard to drug treatment for addicts. Cant figure this one out
If its long term - i agree. From what I was told, noone there knew anything about this. Thats why im still not 100% sure this is even true.
That courthouse community is extremely small and tight knit. Its a really small place. Something like this would not go on for long without someone knowing. It couldn't. He was married so it isn't like she could sneak out and come over.
I guess a motive will come out since stines is cooperating and apparently might not hire a lawyer. I just can't imagine any relationship beyond messaging and very few personal interactions, if there was one at all.
I’m sure the phone data will come out. So prolly won’t know 100% until trial. He should definitely hire a lawyer. I mean he should defend himself the best he can, but maybe he will just plead guilty.
He did but, not to diminish the efforts, thats pretty common there. Judge Wood who preceded him was the same. Im sure that's who he patterned his style after because everyone loved judge Wood.
Down there district judge has a huge impact in the community. A low education level population and many that come in front of the district judge really needs help more than punishment. Whether thats rehab, explanation of the law to someone who couldn't afford a lawyer, a family or relationship dispute, etc.
Imo the more interesting note is how closely together these two worked on the goal of getting people clean. Plus him being Mullins' bailiff for years. Thats a really close relationship.
Right now, it sounds like people feel he won't defend himself. If he's cooperated as much as I was told, might not be much anyone can do for his case. Maybe that was something he already considered? Who knows.
Sounds like it but a lawyer could craft a defense to reduce his sentence is possible. At this point getting out sometime is all he can hope for.
Imo sounds like the best he can hope for is not getting the death penalty. Just saw ragland post both mother and daughter vehemently denied the rumors in their interview with law enforcement. Of course that isnt conclusive, but i don't see how that could've gone on with noone there knowing it.
Im not even sure how that rumor started. I gave it credence because it fit the wild scenario of an otherwise dutiful man killing his friend, coworker, and judge seemingly out of the blue.
If hes cooperating as much as i was told, it will be out shortly. Maybe even at his arraignment if he doesn't try to plead guilty there. If he does, the court will not accept it as is practice in district court unless its through counsel. I think its prudent to get a psych eval just to get on record he is competent. That way any guilty plea is much harder to later attack.
We went from public hangings and firing squads 100 years ago to now if you find out someone was raping your underage daughter you can’t kill him. I mean some things just deserve death and we can all move on with the rest of our lives. I feel this is something everyone can agree on.
I like that everyone in or near Letcher county knows all the details of what went on BUT none of them had a clue that the judge was some stud banging all the wives and daughters.
It appears significantly more likely at this point that the sheriff went crazy than the judge was banging his daughter, Ron.
That's why.
I don’t give a shit about the sheriff I stopped reading after the 5th post I’m just saying there’s certain things we should agree on. If you walk in on a guy raping your daughter then you can kill him. Let’s start there and then move forward with our discussions.
So what kind of diet are you guys on that prevents your shit from stinking?
The disconnect is your hypothetical scenario doesn't fit these facts at all. Not in the least.
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"stopped reading after the 5th post", but continues to post knowing the rest of the content of the thread. LOL, BS.
Is the AG prosecuting? Seems like the Commonwealth may have a perceived conflict.
Based on what andy said, now it doesn't sound like it. If anything they will be ceremonial as i first posited.
The sitting Commonwealth attorney was judge's brother in law. So he's out. You don't want him on a case like this anyway and i will leave it at that to be nice.
Jackie steele from laurel will be prosecuting. Hes tough and effective. Expect a death penalty notice.
Rumor the daughter was special needs. Grain of salt.
This. She's 17. Age of Consent in Kentucky is 16. That's far from a child molester. Creepy? Yes. And there is that 10 year statute in the KRS, but again, that requires proof. Look, I'm not defending either of them. If true, judge is a sleezebag. But the sheriff just went and killed a man. That's not a small thing. If he beat him within an inch of his life? Well, that's still wrong, but it's better than killing a dude. Vigilante justice is attractive, but you better be damn well willing to face the consequences of getting caught.
However, this is why we have courts. To determine truth based upon evidence. They aren't perfect, but neither was the Wild West. We have laws and procedures for a reason. Otherwise, I can just shoot Jim Bob and claim anything.
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If so, how did the sheriff get access to his phone, and by that, I mean IN it. Did he not have it locked like 98% of humans? Even stranger if I had incriminating evidence on it. EVEN MORE strange if I was committing that incriminating act with a coworker's family member. I'd never even bring that device within 6 feet of them.
Wild. A lot of this isn't adding up.
Plus its looking more and more like that rumor may end up not being true at all and something else was the motive. If he doesn't waive the pretrial, we should get to learn what the prosecutor says is the motive. Given the level if cooperation, I suspect the motive will be straight from the sheriff himself.
The report said the video showed the judge giving the sheriff his phone and the sheriff compared it to another phone. So it was freely given. Can't imagine judge thought it would get him killed or he wouldn't have handed it over.
Given their close working relationship, including the need to call late for warrants and removal orders (letcher doesn't have a family judge) the sheriff would already have his cell. So it isnt like hed have to confirm his number for a text sent to his wife or daughter.
This too will come out at the prelim, if they dont waive it over to keep the press circus down. I see zero way this can be tried in letcher or basically anywhere surrounding. It might have to go as far as clay or laurel.
Lots of stuff happens in small towns. Sex for political and criminal favors is pretty common.
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