Let the SEC hear your voice regarding Sirmons

[blueblood65]

I'm not gonna call either.....Big waste of time. Hopefully with the National Media seeing it and hearing about it, that will get the SEC'S Attention and they will do the right thing to this joke of an official. Coach K, Bill Self, hell even Mick Cronin and I could have a longer list of coaches do this all the time and don't get tossed that quick...This was definitely personal......This dude should be suspended and shouldn't be allowed to officiate again this year especially our games........

 

[Big Blue in 502]

Removed due to fans or removed due to video evidence submitted and reviewed objectively.

At the end of the day the video evidence supported poor officiating. The fan's voice went to support that evidence and put pressure for change to be made. Nobody is saying the fans discontent is the key factor for a review committee to remove an official. But it can play a key role in pressuring that committee to do the right thing. If enough people outside the committee sees wrong doing and continues to demand the committee fix the obvious issue it gives motivation to change! Maybe the committee only looks at the USC game, but if fans call and urge them to view the Wisc & Kansas games along with the USC game to establish continuous bias it potentially opens their eyes to a pattern.

 

[Big Blue in 502]

Just to illustrate your propensity for distorting the truth. I've not taken a position either way on Sirmons. You won't be able to produce a quote to the contrary. I've merely stated that video evidence would be far more effective than a whining caller. Again there is ample evidence of my position in this thread alone.

Now, we've established what you are. You've screwed your own pitch.

I've done nothing to distort the truth. Again you can say it a thousand different ways, but at the end of the day you continue to call me a liar, while bringing nothing to the discussion!!!! I've said nothing to contradict my phone conversion, I've never change my story.

How many fans have the time or ability to send in game tapes of Sirmons performance, while the committee already has the film. That is idiotic to send something the review committee already has lmao. So your best course of action is to call and voice what reasons you have to think Sirmons is biased!!!! That's not whining that's voicing a concern huge huge difference!!! Again as I said you didn't enter this thread to support change you entered to start negativity.

 

[kybassfan]

At the end of the day the video evidence supported poor officiating. The fan's voice went to support that evidence and put pressure for change to be made. Nobody is saying the fans discontent is the key factor for a review committee to remove an official. But it can play a key role in pressuring that committee to do the right thing. If enough people outside the committee sees wrong doing and continues to demand the committee fix the obvious issue it gives motivation to change! Maybe the committee only looks at the USC game, but if fans call and urge them to view the Wisc & Kansas games along with the USC game to establish continuous bias it potentially opens their eyes to a pattern.

I read all three of the articles. No where does it say any action was taken against officials based on some goofy grassroots effort by fans. In fact, the one article discussing KY/Ark talks about calls in favor of KY. Again, a distortion of the fact on your part. In fact, it appears that if you are just telephone happy, calling the media might be more effective than calling the league office.

Your point would be better made if you quit trying to sensationalize this and just stick with facts and documentable evidence. But then you don't really want to solve a problem. You just want to whine.

 

[kybassfan]

I've done nothing to distort the truth. Again you can say it a thousand different ways, but at the end of the day you continue to call me a liar, while bringing nothing to the discussion!!!! I've said nothing to contradict my phone conversion, I've never change my story.

How many fans have the time or ability to send in game tapes of Sirmons performance, while the committee already has the film. That is idiotic to send something the review committee already has lmao. So your best course of action is to call and voice what reasons you have to think Sirmons is biased!!!! That's not whining that's voicing a concern huge huge difference!!! Again as I said you didn't enter this thread to support change you entered to start negativity.

Actually, I don't have to call you anything. Your inconsistent and contradictory posts do that for me.

 

[Saven]

While we're at it, we should try to get rid of Roger Ayers and Doug Shows from our games as well. Those two have personal vendettas against Calipari and try to strongly influence the outcome of every game they officiate against us.

 

[Blueaz]

I dont defend what Sirmons did at all but after going back and watching it i now understand it. I was not aware Sirmons hsd just given Cal a tech...i thought when Cal went to midcourt that was the first confrontation...so now i think Sirmons is thinking...i just Td you up and now you are chasing me at midcourt?? I think that is why Cal got tossed...i think Sirmons thought Cal was daring him to do it

uhhhh...Cal walked over to the scorers table to talk to him, after the first T; that was called from the farthest official from Cal. He said something and got the second T and then went spider monkey...
HE DID NOT CHASE HIM TO MIDCOURT.

 

[Big Blue in 502]

Actually, I don't have to call you anything. Your inconsistent and contradictory posts do that for me.

Again nothing I've said has contradicted my original statements

 

[Big Blue in 502]

I read all three of the articles. No where does it say any action was taken against officials based on some goofy grassroots effort by fans. In fact, the one article discussing KY/Ark talks about calls in favor of KY. Again, a distortion of the fact on your part. In fact, it appears that if you are just telephone happy, calling the media might be more effective than calling the league office.

Your point would be better made if you quit trying to sensationalize this and just stick with facts and documentable evidence. But then you don't really want to solve a problem. You just want to whine.

You're the only one whining about the fact fans want to voice their concern about biased officiating by one official!!!!! Your entire existence in this thread has been whining

 

[kybassfan]

Again nothing I've said has contradicted my original statements

So you say. Actually most of my posts have been pointing out your contradictions. Like this one.

 

[kybassfan]

uhhhh...Cal walked over to the scorers table to talk to him, after the first T; that was called from the farthest official from Cal. He said something and got the second T and then went spider monkey...
HE DID NOT CHASE HIM TO MIDCOURT.

That's correct. In fact he couldn't. Murray et al had Cal restrained. UMM likes to embellish.

 

[Big Blue in 502]

So you say. Actually most of my posts have been pointing out your contradictions. Like this one.

Again no where have I contradicted myself!!!

 

[kybassfan]

Again no where have I contradicted myself!!!

 

[Bourbonballs]

Who the F cares! Caliparis father in law is having bypass surgery today. You think he gives a F? Someone also always hijacks a thread fighting.

 

[Bluest Member]

Actually, I don't have to call you anything. Your inconsistent and contradictory posts do that for me.

KYBassFan,you seem to have some obsession defending Officials,in every thread about officiating you are in it either insulting posters or taking up for the officials as if you were either married to one or have some weird fascination with referees.
Personally I don't give a crap what your fetish is,but it doesn't change the fact the Officiating has really went down hill over the past decade,I don't know if it's because of incompetence,personal bias,point shaving for gamblers,or direction from some higher power,but it's pathetic and real.
Too many people can see it plainly from around the country,from all different teams and types of fans,yet you want to continue to deflect from the complaints by personal attacks on various posters.If you don't like it don't read the threads,for what it's worth I agree that Video evidence would mean more than a phone call.

 

[kybassfan]

KYBassFan,you seem to have some obsession defending Officials,in every thread about officiating you are in it either insulting posters or taking up for the officials as if you were either married to one or have some weird fascination with referees.
Personally I don't give a crap what your fetish is,but it doesn't change the fact the Officiating has really went down hill over the past decade,I don't know if it's because of incompetence,personal bias,point shaving for gamblers,or direction from some higher power,but it's pathetic and real.
Too many people can see it plainly from around the country,from all different teams and types of fans,yet you want to continue to deflect from the complaints by personal attacks on various posters.If you don't like it don't read the threads,for what it's worth I agree that Video evidence would mean more than a phone call.

You should read the thread. I mentioned nothing, NOTHING, good or bad about officiating in this thread. Of all you posted, the only thing relevant to anything I said was the last sentence. In fact everything you said was wrong, except the last sentence. That's ok though. You are irrelevant just like your post.

Nice ambush attempt though.

 

[sckysportsink]

Competent officials with a short fuse/agenda (i.e. Shows) are still not nearly as much of a concern as incompetent zebras (Sirmons) with a temper/grudge. Remember that opponents are very much in favor of having either of these officials call their games vs. UK. And they will gladly rave about what great officials they are. Those of you who remember the days before TV and instant replay can painfully think back to the calls on the road from these types of officials. I went to some of these road games back way back when.

 

[.S&C.]

KYBassFan,you seem to have some obsession defending Officials,in every thread about officiating you are in it either insulting posters or taking up for the officials as if you were either married to one or have some weird fascination with referees.
Personally I don't give a crap what your fetish is,but it doesn't change the fact the Officiating has really went down hill over the past decade,I don't know if it's because of incompetence,personal bias,point shaving for gamblers,or direction from some higher power,but it's pathetic and real.
Too many people can see it plainly from around the country,from all different teams and types of fans,yet you want to continue to deflect from the complaints by personal attacks on various posters.If you don't like it don't read the threads,for what it's worth I agree that Video evidence would mean more than a phone call.

Kybassfan believes officials are fair, treat every coach the same, the media is fair, treats every team the same, the NCAA is fair, treats every school the same.

Duke gets no special treatement.

If you haven't put him on ignore by now, it's your own fault (speaking to everyone)

 

[Big Blue in 502]

KYBassFan,you seem to have some obsession defending Officials,in every thread about officiating you are in it either insulting posters or taking up for the officials as if you were either married to one or have some weird fascination with referees.
Personally I don't give a crap what your fetish is,but it doesn't change the fact the Officiating has really went down hill over the past decade,I don't know if it's because of incompetence,personal bias,point shaving for gamblers,or direction from some higher power,but it's pathetic and real.
Too many people can see it plainly from around the country,from all different teams and types of fans,yet you want to continue to deflect from the complaints by personal attacks on various posters.If you don't like it don't read the threads,for what it's worth I agree that Video evidence would mean more than a phone call.

Thank you exactly the point I tried getting through his thick skull. If you don't like the tread keep scrolling.

 

[TIE543]

Kybassfan is probably the biggest troll on this board, and you guys are all just eating his bait up.

 

[Big Blue in 502]

How kyassfan isn't banned I don't know. He makes it his personal mission to attack as many posters as possible! Either he's got a seriously jacked up personal life, a mentally unstable poster with the need to argue everything, or he's simply a troll. I'm going to lean more so that it's a funky mixture of all 3 possibilities. It's really sad he brings absolutely nothing to a discussion other than negativity & an argument with every poster in that discussion

 

[Blueaz]

Kybassfan

If you haven't put him on ignore by now, it's your own fault (speaking to everyone)[/QUOTE]

this

 

[kybassfan]

How kyassfan isn't banned I don't know. He makes it his personal mission to attack as many posters as possible! Either he's got a seriously jacked up personal life, a mentally unstable poster with the need to argue everything, or he's simply a troll. I'm going to lean more so that it's a funky mixture of all 3 possibilities. It's really sad he brings absolutely nothing to a discussion other than negativity & an argument with every poster in that discussion

We showed you were distorting the truth yesterday and we see that same thing again. You are very consistent.

 

[kybassfan]

Kybassfan believes officials are fair, treat every coach the same, the media is fair, treats every team the same, the NCAA is fair, treats every school the same.

Duke gets no special treatement.

If you haven't put him on ignore by now, it's your own fault (speaking to everyone)

Of course, you can't prove a thing you just said. But don't let that stop you. Truth was never a requirement for you to this point.

 

[preacherfan]

If you don't like it don't read the threads,for what it's worth I agree that Video evidence would mean more than a phone call.

Video evidence doesn't always mean a whole lot. Back in the Tubby years, Jasper came up behind a player and reached around for the ball but was called for an intentional foul. Despite video and still pics, Gerald Boudreax SEC supervisor of refs, said it was the right call because he came from behind. Jasper was more to the side and was behind but we thought it was still a horrible call.

A few games later, a Georgia player knocked Bradley into the stands from behind. The call was a common foul. Despite video evidence and still pic, Boudreax said it was the right call and didn't matter if he were behind Bradley or not.

Face it, the officials are a good ol' boy network and nothing is going to change that. Well, I think if coaches and conferences stand up for what is right, it will change.

 

[Blueworld_3.0]

Guys, just ignore kybassfan and his nonsense.
Make your calls etc. I certainly did. Just be respectful, reference specific situations and statistics such as those linked by others in this thread. You don't have to even mention what school you are a fan of. That isn't important and the problem in the SEC isn't limited to Sirmons, it's systemic. For some reason the SEC doesn't have a problem contracting with the dregs of the officiating occupation. Take Karl Hess for example, he is prohibited from ever working another game in the ACC. Yet, the SEC is perfectly OK with him? That's something that deserves an explanation in my opinion.

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

Sure sure.

I believe everything you say.

And you are the only one to ever have this idea. And the league takes all this seriously.

Or is it,

This only happens to Kentucky and we've only ever heard from Kentucky fans.

Just want to get my story straight. Yes, no doubt, I believe it all.

Why be such an ass when he was willing to invest the time?

What in hell have you done lately that elected you king of the SEC officiating?

Sometimes it is hard to be nice; however, you have not invested one little bit of effort in this thread. In fact you have done the opposite, you have been a total jerk.

 

[crestcat]

Video evidence doesn't always mean a whole lot. Back in the Tubby years, Jasper came up behind a player and reached around for the ball but was called for an intentional foul. Despite video and still pics, Gerald Boudreax SEC supervisor of refs, said it was the right call because he came from behind. Jasper was more to the side and was behind but we thought it was still a horrible call.

A few games later, a Georgia player knocked Bradley into the stands from behind. The call was a common foul. Despite video evidence and still pic, Boudreax said it was the right call and didn't matter if he were behind Bradley or not.

Face it, the officials are a good ol' boy network and nothing is going to change that. Well, I think if coaches and conferences stand up for what is right, it will change.

However the officials made the call, Boudreaux always said it was the right call. If they called it one way on Tues. that was the right call and if it went the other way on Wed. that was the right call. The ref was always right.

 

[crestcat]

Kybassfan believes officials are fair, treat every coach the same, the media is fair, treats every team the same, the NCAA is fair, treats every school the same.

Duke gets no special treatement.

If you haven't put him on ignore by now, it's your own fault (speaking to everyone)

Put him on ignore about two weeks ago, best thing I ever did. I asked him to put me on ignore also, hope he did

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

However the officials made the call, Boudreaux always said it was the right call. If they called it one way on Tues. that was the right call and if it went the other way on Wed. that was the right call. The ref was always right.

Good old Gerald.

 

[Ben101er]

Yes, I am not as worldly as you. I am a simpleton who doesn't believe in a grand referee conspiracy against UK.
I bet you buy a lot of gold.....

The way the market is heading down, he might be smart if he did.

 

[kybassfan]

Why be such an ass when he was willing to invest the time?

What in hell have you done lately that elected you king of the SEC officiating?

Sometimes it is hard to be nice; however, you have not invested one little bit of effort in this thread. In fact you have done the opposite, you have been a total jerk.

Actually, Bert, go back and read the thread. I suggested something that might actually be effective. The OP got his feelings hurt and started crying. I believe he thought I was pissing on his 'brilliant' suggestion, but it was old news. Best chance of getting any change is provide evidence. Not cry about it to someone that's heard several hundred whiners already that day.

Now that's ALL I've said in this thread regarding officiating. If you actually read the thread, you'd know that. But you didn't, so you didn't.

Like I told the OP, if you want to whine and cry, then call the conference office and shed all the tears you like. If you want to make a difference, provide a few thousand video clips.

 

[chevyman 50]

I wander if he ever comes to RUPP ?

 

[Big Blue in 502]

Looking at his last post he's an obvious mentally demented troll. Won't waste anymore of my time on someone that only wants to argue or dog people the entire time. The only person on this board that is so much of a child that I've had to ignore them. Mods please make note of this thread, and see that there's an obvious issue, and that this individual is incapable of anything other than discourse. A poser like this brings nothing positive to this board.

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

Actually, Bert, go back and read the thread. I suggested something that might actually be effective. The OP got his feelings hurt and started crying. I believe he thought I was pissing on his 'brilliant' suggestion, but it was old news. Best chance of getting any change is provide evidence. Not cry about it to someone that's heard several hundred whiners already that day.

Now that's ALL I've said in this thread regarding officiating. If you actually read the thread, you'd know that. But you didn't, so you didn't.

Like I told the OP, if you want to whine and cry, then call the conference office and shed all the tears you like. If you want to make a difference, provide a few thousand video clips.

KYbassfan, I am an old man. I have time on my hands. I read every post. Your posts were the most condescending whether you intended them to be that way or not. Many of these guys on this thread are very smart so it should not be your goal to try to diminish their intellect to make your remarks seem better.

Back to officiating: I have fought this war since the 1970's. I was a buddy of Joe B. Hall and he set me up once by introducing me to John Guthrie, the SEC official who controlled the refs, at an SEC meeting one time. I soon found out that John felt that any bad call on UK was a good call; however, John was sensitive to the volume of fans calling his office. He was a very nice man who absolutely hated the fact that UK dominated the SEC in basketball. But he would listen. In fact he got rid of some officials.

The SEC knows well who brings in the basketball money in the SEC. Calls to the SEC make a difference. We are the fans who make the money for the sports. It is simple: those folks work for us even though there are many of us and few of them. They know where the money comes from.

 

[Big Blue in 502]

KYbassfan, I am an old man. I have time on my hands. I read every post. Your posts were the most condescending whether you intended them to be that way or not. Many of these guys on this thread are very smart so it should not be your goal to try to diminish their intellect to make your remarks seem better.

Back to officiating: I have fought this war since the 1970's. I was a buddy of Joe B. Hall and he set me up once by introducing me to John Guthrie, the SEC official who controlled the refs, at an SEC meeting one time. I soon found out that John felt that any bad call on UK was a good call; however, John was sensitive to the volume of fans calling his office. He was a very nice man who absolutely hated the fact that UK dominated the SEC in basketball. But he would listen. In fact he got rid of some officials.

The SEC knows well who brings in the basketball money in the SEC. Calls to the SEC make a difference. We are the fans who make the money for the sports. It is simple: those folks work for us even though there are many of us and few of them. They know where the money comes from.

Exactly, the league knows not to bite the hand that feeds then. UK basketball carries this league more years than not. If a rogue official is getting to the point that his obvious bias is bad enough to make a fan base call a lot , then it's time to fix that issue. You don't want that rogue official screwing over the bread winner of your conference. If the fans concerns aren't heard then they'll speak with their money in turn. Could you imagine the SEC tournament without UK fans. At the very least it's a smart business move.

 

[Big Blue in 502]

KYbassfan, I am an old man. I have time on my hands. I read every post. Your posts were the most condescending whether you intended them to be that way or not. Many of these guys on this thread are very smart so it should not be your goal to try to diminish their intellect to make your remarks seem better.

Back to officiating: I have fought this war since the 1970's. I was a buddy of Joe B. Hall and he set me up once by introducing me to John Guthrie, the SEC official who controlled the refs, at an SEC meeting one time. I soon found out that John felt that any bad call on UK was a good call; however, John was sensitive to the volume of fans calling his office. He was a very nice man who absolutely hated the fact that UK dominated the SEC in basketball. But he would listen. In fact he got rid of some officials.

The SEC knows well who brings in the basketball money in the SEC. Calls to the SEC make a difference. We are the fans who make the money for the sports. It is simple: those folks work for us even though there are many of us and few of them. They know where the money comes from.

For the record this only goes to confirm what I was told during my call. It validates the information I was given by the SEC offices yesterday! It also goes to show that the idiot causing trouble in this thread will now eat crow for calling me a liar multiple times. Thanks Bert for sharing that information, be prepared to be attacked by troll.

 

[NineSec95]

I will be calling tomorrow.. Thanks OP for posting the number.. The squeaky wheel get's the grease.

 

[kybassfan]

KYbassfan, I am an old man. I have time on my hands. I read every post. Your posts were the most condescending whether you intended them to be that way or not. Many of these guys on this thread are very smart so it should not be your goal to try to diminish their intellect to make your remarks seem better.

Back to officiating: I have fought this war since the 1970's. I was a buddy of Joe B. Hall and he set me up once by introducing me to John Guthrie, the SEC official who controlled the refs, at an SEC meeting one time. I soon found out that John felt that any bad call on UK was a good call; however, John was sensitive to the volume of fans calling his office. He was a very nice man who absolutely hated the fact that UK dominated the SEC in basketball. But he would listen. In fact he got rid of some officials.

The SEC knows well who brings in the basketball money in the SEC. Calls to the SEC make a difference. We are the fans who make the money for the sports. It is simple: those folks work for us even though there are many of us and few of them. They know where the money comes from.

LOL! Whatever you say. I'm an old man too. I'm so old that I've learned long ago, whiners are easy to ignore. Evidence and substantiated arguments are not. You call the league an whine, you are just one of EVERY SINGLE TEAM in the SEC fans that are bitching. You send in hard evidence, you are difficult to turn away and even harder to ignore. Also, hard evidence works really good for media outlets.

Like you say, you got time to waste. Waste it. I was merely suggesting a more effective way for folks to intercede. You, clearly, don't care if they are effective.

As far as condescending, I write the way I write. I do it professionally. I do it personally. The only people that EVER consider my writing to be condescending are ones that can't defend their opinions. Sorry for them but c'est la vie.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Ah, the ignore button again. The death cough of losing. If kybassfan is old, then it's even worse. One of his board friends referred to him as a juvenile azzwipe, and kybassfan then liked the post. He is an arrogant, condescending piece of work.