It doesn't matter how he sees it. If one person says it wasn't consensual, it's rape. I don't care what Kobe thought it was, that is completely irrelevant when the girl said no.
Kobe...Am I alone?
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As a big Laker fan Shaq was the biggest most dominant player in the league for two of their first three championships, however he couldn't finish games due to his lack of free throw shooting. That's when Kobe took over the last 5 minutes. In addition had Shaq had the same desire to be great that Kobe had and didn't get fat and out of shape, he would have been arguably the greatest ever. However he let himself go and then decided to have surgery during the season, rather than the off season. By the way Shaq calls Kobe the "Greatest Laker Ever".
I have always been a huge Kobe fan. He was one of the best to ever play, especially in his prime. I see why some do not like him and have stories to suggest he is a first class jerk. But, what I don't understand is those who say he is a rapist like it is fact. To those of you that do, you show your ignorance to the off-court stereotypes of professional athletes. The incident was very wrong of him, but he did not rape anyone. She found a way to get paid and did so. I feel that incident made him a better person and he has been working to make it up to all those that were hurt.
I feel similar about P Manning as some of you do towards Kobe. But I'm not going to lie and say he's not one of the best to ever play.
I feel similar about P Manning as some of you do towards Kobe. But I'm not going to lie and say he's not one of the best to ever play.
So by that logic, every single rape allegation is an automatic conviction. That's a ridiculous standard.
It pertains to Kobe so,, yea it does..
If I'd only said that last night's 60 points wasn't all that impressive and left it as is,, then someone would dispute that,, as you know a Kobe is God fan would have,, so this would have been my reply to it.. So I just added it all together to keep from that,, lol..
No one - no one with an informed opinion - thinks he's the second best ever. I've not seen anyone say he's top 5 even. Recently, both ESPN and Sports Illustrated - two most recognized sports media brands in the world - named the top NBA players of all time. Say what you will about either of them - but both of them are unabashedly on the Kobe train. Look at espn.com this morning, it's all Kobe - the other major NBA historical event last night, more meaningful IMO, is relegated to second page status. So, please, none of the usual "they hate Kobe" stuff.
Anyway, here's how they ranked 'em. Both had Kobe at #12......
ESPN
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. LeBron
4. Magic
5. Wilt
6. Bird
7. Bill Russell
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem
11. Oscar
12. Kobe
Sports Illustrated
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Magic
5. LeBron
6. Oscar
7. Bird
8. Bill Russell
9. West
10. Duncan
11. Elgin Baylor
12. Kobe
But u leave out ones like these...point being, everyone has opinions...this HTML class. Value is http://ftw.usatoday.
But u leave these out..... USA Today. Funny u take the ones where he's ranked lowest lol. Point being is everyone has their own opinion ...anyone who says he's not top 5 has zero credibility with me!
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Magic Johnson
4. Larry Bird
5. Kobe Bryant
6. Bill Russell
7. Wilt Chamberlain
8. Tim Duncan
9. Oscar Robertson
10. LeBron James
I love all of the LeBron nut huggers and Kobe haters coming out. We just watched a top 10 career finish up and he went out in the most Mamba fashion possible! I guess he would be more popular if switched teams a few times and went 2-5 in the NBA finals like some other player will be after this season is over.
I'm neither a hater nor a lover. He's one of the alltime greats - no one with any sense would deny that. But on the other side there are those who overrate him (in my opinion and in the opinion of most "experts").
The problem with the rings argument is he was only Batman twice. Three times he was Robin.
e.g.....
Finals MVP: Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Jordan 6
League MVP: Kobe 1 Jordan 6
Your link doesn't work, but I'll take your word for it - and that's good evidence for your side of the argument....
I'd say #12 is probably a fair estimate of where he belongs on these all time lists.
I'd guess (without looking it up) that Kobe's fg% is poorer than virtually every player above him on those lists and that's why I can't put him above most of those players. He was a great scorer who had virtually every shot in his arsenal but his shot selection and efficiency were at times poor and to the detriment of his team.
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60 on 50 shots is 1.20 points per shot. Jordan averaged 1.31 points per shot for his career.
Plus, the completely missed fact is that Kobe is 37 and his legs and body are completely shot from playing 20 seasons (as well as all those extra playoff games). Nobody has done something like that at his age and wear and tear. I think the next oldest to score 60 was Wilt at a full 5 years younger. Jordan wasn't gonna do that when he was that old. To not take into account those circumstances is silly.
What was impressive about it wasn't the 60. It was that trailing by 10 with 3 minutes to go he dropped 15 and made everything. Looked like he did in his prime at the end. Crazy impressive considering his age, and that he played 42 minutes last night and was clearly gassed as could be.
Because that is what is most impressive about Kobe as a player. He was unmatched in will, desire, competitiveness, tunnel vision focus, commitment to his craft. Nobody worked harder or wanted it more than that guy. That last 3 minutes was basically that in a nutshell.
Kobe is one of the all time greats to play the game. I would probably put him somewhere in the ballpark of 5th best player ever. I have Mike #1, and Magic #2. After that hell, there really isn't that much difference in the next 10-15 guys, and a ranking is just about what preferences one has individually.
I'm a Lakers fan for over 30 years now, and the detractors that discount his 5 titles are absurd. He probably wouldn't have won those 3 without Shaq. So what? Shaq wouldn't have won those 3 without Kobe either. In the NBA you need a sidekick, nobody wins titles as the lone stud. Mike doesn't win all his titles with Pippen. As a Lakers fan I would have him as the 2nd greatest Laker ever, behind Magic.
Part of what made him one of the greats was that tunnel vision and unbending pursuit of his goals. That same characteristic is part of what made him an asshole at times. They go hand in hand. The same traits cut both negatively and positively. But nobody is talking about where he's ranked in all time greatest people. Fact is he's way up there in all time greatest basketball players. And anyone that can't see that is letting their judgment be clouded by their distaste for him and just hating. It's kind of like how Demarcus Cousins detractors always harp on his petulance. Just reaching in order to discount them.
The last couple mins or so was impressive but the whole plan was to let Kobe take most of the shots being nothing was on the line and it was his last game.. He should have gotten 60 on 50 shots at the minimum..
You're right, that was poorly phrased, but given that we have a commonality of language I think you're smart to see what I meant.
He admitted that she didn't consent. If that statement wasn't given immunity, he'd be behind bars.
love him, hate him, or indifferent...Kobe is on the Mount Rushmore of Basketball for sure...
and an argument can be made for him to be on the Mount Rushmore of modern sports in general...
what you say or don't say doesn't change what the reality is...
and an argument can be made for him to be on the Mount Rushmore of modern sports in general...
what you say or don't say doesn't change what the reality is...
Phil Jackson can say what he likes but Kobe was not on Jordan's level...period. Most anyone who grew up watching both can tell you that.
I'm a huge Lakers fan.... and some of you are making my head spin. Kobe just had his last game and he's still causing a lot of you to be ruthless haters. As Kentucky basketball fans I'd expect more as we are one of the best knowledgeable fanbases in basketball at any level.
Maybe some of you think the game is better off from a player that prides himself on isolation ball. Maybe some of you think Kobe should of been more like Lebron. At the end of the day Kobe got 5 championships and if you exclude the Jordan fans... he has more than your favorite player.
Haters gonna hate but those 5 rings will last a life time.
Maybe some of you think the game is better off from a player that prides himself on isolation ball. Maybe some of you think Kobe should of been more like Lebron. At the end of the day Kobe got 5 championships and if you exclude the Jordan fans... he has more than your favorite player.
Haters gonna hate but those 5 rings will last a life time.
What is really mind blowing to me is people trying to say he shouldn't of shot 50 shots last night. Court side seats went for 27k and you really think people showed up to watch Jordan Clarkson Or Russell shoot the ball? We talking about a 16 win Lakers team. Every one last night fed the ball to Kobe so he could shoot the ball.
Kobe still shot his career percentage 45% with 50 shots in a body of a 60 year old man.
Regarding some posts about Shaq... yea Kobe needed Shaq but they needed each other to win. I guess some of you forget that with Penny during Shaqs magic years they couldn't get it done.
I'd love to hear some of the Kobe haters favorite teams. Once I hear that I bet we will all know exactly why you do hate the guy. A bunch of salty Celtic fans here who only became Celtic fans cause of Rick Pitino. Or maybe it is this generation of Lebron nut riders who still cannot understand why a guy who basically averages a triple double only has 2 championships.
#mambaout
Kobe still shot his career percentage 45% with 50 shots in a body of a 60 year old man.
Regarding some posts about Shaq... yea Kobe needed Shaq but they needed each other to win. I guess some of you forget that with Penny during Shaqs magic years they couldn't get it done.
I'd love to hear some of the Kobe haters favorite teams. Once I hear that I bet we will all know exactly why you do hate the guy. A bunch of salty Celtic fans here who only became Celtic fans cause of Rick Pitino. Or maybe it is this generation of Lebron nut riders who still cannot understand why a guy who basically averages a triple double only has 2 championships.
#mambaout
yes it has -
btw, NEVER liked Kobe, either and his retiring means jack squat
then again - I'm kind of a Celtics fans, so......
Total nonsense. Jordan was a better scorer, defender and better all around. Kobe is like the bagged cereal version of Jordan. He's the generic off brand that isn't nearly as good and he needed a big man to win all of his titles. Jordan never had a decent big man at all.
2000-2002 was won because of Shaq was so physically impossible to stop. It wasn't because of Kobe.
yeah what integrity he showed, being acquired on draft day by a team with shaq
he quit in a playoff series against phoenix because he didn't think his supporting cast was good enough. flat out quit, rashaad carruth shooting strike style
odom and gasol will always be underrated just because of the condescending faces that POS made at them
lebron could play at age 55 and be better than what kobe has been the last two years
I hope you get ready for Lebron last few years... he won't age as well as you think. He already led the league in worst three point shooting this season. What happens when he loses just a bit of his athleticism? Kobe would destroy Lebron if they were at the same age.
Also funny you mention the last two years, go look at Kobes injury list go away troll
I think JA Adande at ESPN gets it right:
LOS ANGELES -- It was spectacular. It was so self-indulgent. It was so ... Kobe.
Kobe Bryant went out in the most Kobefied way possible. Sixty points on 50 shots. FIFTY SHOTS. He shot shot shot to the very end. He either defied his critics or proved them right. You're welcome to choose.
LOS ANGELES -- It was spectacular. It was so self-indulgent. It was so ... Kobe.
Kobe Bryant went out in the most Kobefied way possible. Sixty points on 50 shots. FIFTY SHOTS. He shot shot shot to the very end. He either defied his critics or proved them right. You're welcome to choose.
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yeah i'm a troll because i don't share your deluded fantasy opinion of a player who has nothing to do with kentucky
kobe shot 29% from 3 this year. didn't stop him from jacking another one every four minutes
complete psycho
you know nothing. you are nothing
kobe shot 29% from 3 this year. didn't stop him from jacking another one every four minutes
complete psycho
you know nothing. you are nothing
Well Kentucky head coach John Calipari you might of heard of him. Has openly admitted he wanted to take Kobe Bryant in the 96 draft but the owners wouldn't let him. That ties him to Kentucky just a little bit.
I have more basketball knowledge in my left pinky than you do in your entire brain. Frustrating to see fans like you who cannot appreciate greatness. Always make me wonder how someone can spout off about a player who has done so much for the game.
Enjoy your day Johnnyboy
yeah calipari said he wanted to draft him, so he's basically kyle macy
you take inane cheap shots at lebron, who is clearly the superior player, so take your lecture on respect and your left pinkie and shove em both
you take inane cheap shots at lebron, who is clearly the superior player, so take your lecture on respect and your left pinkie and shove em both
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