Kentucky is the only college program in the history of basketball that just...
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So are you willing to answer the question: how good were those guys in college?
He doesn't have the fire required to be a winner of multiple titles. In 2012 after he finally won one, CCC said something like: "Glad this is over with"
What kinda statement is that?
Not sure what this has to do when they were 18 years old and at UK. Raw, inexperienced talent isn't the same as having those guys for 3 or 4 years like you get these types in football or used to in basketball.
That said, everyone agrees we should have won at least one more title from 2010 to 2017.
That said, everyone agrees we should have won at least one more title from 2010 to 2017.
@Woodrow_Call_1998 , a little off topic, but I absolutely loved Lonesome Dove when I was a kid. SPOILER for those who haven't seen it:
To this day, Robert Duvall is my favorite actor because of that performance.
Cried like a baby when Gus died
To this day, Robert Duvall is my favorite actor because of that performance.
It says to me, now I can concentrate on my personal carpetbagging NBA agenda.
Chill. Not sure why you’re getting so upset. My post was to bring a little context because the OP was making it out to be as if they got out of high school ready to throw up 20 ppg averages. And of course they were good in college but it took them awhile to acclimate to the speed of the game. In SGA’s case , he didn’t break through til midway through the SEC schedule.
One of my favorite’s for years. The acting is phenomenal in that movie. If anyone hasn’t watched it, it’s a great western.@Woodrow_Call_1998 , a little off topic, but I absolutely loved Lonesome Dove when I was a kid. SPOILER for those who haven't seen it:
Cried like a baby when Gus died
To this day, Robert Duvall is my favorite actor because of that performance.
You're a smart poster, so it's strange to me that you're going to play the "Raw, inexperienced," card. Does it really matter if they lack experience on the college level but perform like All-SEC or All-American-level players? Experience becomes an irrelevant component when you have Derrick Rose, John Wall, or Anthony Davis on your roster.
All SEC and 1st team All-American John Wall?
All SEC and 2nd Team All-American DeMarcus Cousins?
All SEC 1st Team Patrick Patterson? ** junior
ALL SEC 1st team Brandon Knight?
All SEC 1st team Terrence Jones?
All SEC 1st team Anthony Davis?
All SEC 1st team Michael Gilchrist?
NPOY Anthony Davis?
1st team All-American Anthony Davis?
2nd team All-American Michael Gilchrist?
1st team All-SEC and defensive player of the year Nerlens Noel?
1st team All-SEC Julius Randle?
2nd team All-SEC James Young?
3rd team All-American Julius Randle?
1st Team All-SEC Karl Towns?
1st Team All-American Willie Cauley-Stein? ** junior
3rd team All-American Karl Towns?
2nd team All-SEC Devin Booker?
1st team All-SEC Jamal Murray?
1st team All-American Tyler Ulis? ** sophomore
3rd team All-American Jamal Murray?
1st team All-SEC Malik Monk?
2nd team All-American Malik Monk?
1st team All-SEC De'Aaron Fox?
2nd team All-SEC Bam Adebayo?
1st team All-SEC Kevin Knox?
2nd team All-SEC Shai Gilgeous-Alexander?
1st team All-SEC PJ Washington? ** sophomore
3rd team All-American PJ Washington?
2nd team All-SEC Tyler Herro?
2nd team All-SEC Keldon Johnson?
1st team All-SEC Immanuel Quickley? ** sophomore
2nd team All-SEC Tyrese Maxey?
2nd team All-SEC Ty Ty Washington?
1st team All-American Oscar Tshiebwe? ** junior and senior
These guys were all legit in college.
Obviously they grew and developed exponentially in the NBA, but let's not pretend that they weren't legitimate college players, because they certainly were.
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I already accounted for that in this thread.
UK still makes up about 25% of the top scorers in that category, so it doesn't get Calipari off the hook, but instead makes him look even worse.
It doesn't get any better than having Tommy Lee Jones and Robert Duvall costar in a western.
Danny Glover was also at the height of his powers back then. Factor in some eye candy in the form of a prime-level Diane Lane, and it's cinematic heaven.
Was not afraid to take Rhodes' heart. Difficult but what was best to win.
Therein lies the great difference between Calipari and Pitino. For Pitino, it was Kentucky first. Was his ego an extension of that? Certainly, but the players were secondary if they got in the way of Pitino's/Kentucky's on-the-court success.
The fact that he pushed them out far outweighs the fact that they needed time to mature. His refusal to build teams that can win titles is the problem, not that he got unlucky and all those players just happened to get better after a season.
He's not quote ascended the Dean Smith mountain in that regard, but he's getting closer to the summit.
You'll probably love it.
It was a mini-series back in the late 80s. I think it's about 5 or 6 hours total.
It’s not about titles at Kentucky. It’s how many players Cal can get drafted.
After that game,Pitino said on the radio that he apologized to UK fans for the loss and promised he would correct the problems during the off season...he did..Rhodes left,we got Ron Mercer and Derrick Anderson on board and won the whole damn thing in 96
Cal's priority is NBA legacy. He still has the ego, but it isn't prioritized by what UK does on the court. That's secondary for him. His priority is what happens to his players on the NBA level.
Pitino's legacy and ego was always directly connected to what he did on the court, with whatever team was under his direct oversight. It's why he was so clearly embarrassed with what happened to him at Boston. By contrast, his Louisville off-the-court stuff never really derailed him because it wasn't associated with his actual coaching. That's why he made a bigger issue about his Celtics on-the-court failure than his Louisville off-the-court moral failures.
Meanwhile, Calipari could fail to make the Sweet Sixteen five years in a row here, and it would bother him, but he'd be okay with that as long as he adds another 5 or 6 NBA All-Stars to his legacy.
By the way, these aren't my words. They're Cal's words. He clearly stated in January that helping his kids progress is more important than maintaining Kentucky records.
I agree absolutely.i have been fortunate to be able to watch both Pitino and Calipari helm UK.For me and I get some will disagree,but Pitino is the better coach AT UK...Forget all the off court shit,when you compare the tenure of each one here,Pitino did more with less and Calipari has done less with more.That shouldn't even be debated.
Great points but what the one and done has showed us is that you generally have to mix freshman talent with seasoned players. The problem is the last few years our freshman haven't been elite and our upperclassmen were slightly above average. You gotta get it right when you only have 6 months with most of these dudes.
...had 11 former players finish the NBA regular season averaging at least 20 points per game in an NBA season.
Bam Adebayo - 20.6 ppg
Devin Booker - 27.8 ppg
Anthony Davis - 26.1 ppg
De'Aaron Fox - 25.2 ppg
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander - 31.4 ppg
Tyler Herro - 20.3 ppg
Keldon Johnson - 22 ppg
Tyrese Maxey - 20.3 ppg
Jamal Murray - 20 ppg
Julius Randle - 25.1 ppg
Karl Towns - 20.4 ppg
No other college program has come even close to that mark.
Yet, we only have one title under Calipari.
All that talent.
One title.
Wtf. Tubby is far better than Sutton and BCG. You could argue him over Joe B Hall too. What a trash take.
Wait, you think Miller was a key to that run? More so than Terrance Jones (who he DID recruit) and Doran Lamb coming back for sophomore years???? Come on now guys.
Great point. Careful ... you may provoke his daughters for pointing out the truth.
Hey champ, it’s obvious you don’t understand a one and done tournament especially when playing freshman for one year. It’s okay you have plenty of similar company on this site, so you’re in the right place.
...had 11 former players finish the NBA regular season averaging at least 20 points per game in an NBA season.
Bam Adebayo - 20.6 ppg
Devin Booker - 27.8 ppg
Anthony Davis - 26.1 ppg
De'Aaron Fox - 25.2 ppg
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander - 31.4 ppg
Tyler Herro - 20.3 ppg
Keldon Johnson - 22 ppg
Tyrese Maxey - 20.3 ppg
Jamal Murray - 20 ppg
Julius Randle - 25.1 ppg
Karl Towns - 20.4 ppg
No other college program has come even close to that mark.
Yet, we only have one title under Calipari.
All that talent.
One title.
Nobody is cherry picking ONE game. The guy has had talent like the game has never even seen before. And he's quick to plaster that all over Kraft. We want to see that talent in the form of banners in Rupp. Nobody expects Cal to win it every year. But lately, Cal just seems completely lost and disinterested. In fact, the only fire he shows is taking little shots at fans. He can't win meaniful games anymore and is regularly outcoached by mediocre coaches.
Just stop. You know darn well this isn't 'everyone getting better'. While their may be a small percentage that, it's crystal clear to any objective fan that Cal has simply lost something. All the simple in game failures and lack of prep is undeniable. And he knows it. That's why he's irritable towards fans and skips post game pressers.
It’s a combination of other programs getting better and Kentucky not having the high end talent. They’ve been relying on a dinosaur post player and mid-major transfer guys to be the backbone of the team the past 4 years. That simply doesn’t equate to success, especially in the tourney environment in which you simply have to have a guy who can put you on his back for a 3-4 game stretch against good teams. Kentucky hasn’t had that in recent years.
Cal could have assembled two top 5 teams from that one 2015 roster, but yet he still lost, when it counted the most. He admitted later that he didn't watch any tape on Wisconsin prior to the game. What HOF coach does that? Cal can't coach and is unprepared b/c he can't coach. Wholesale OAD is a disaster for UK but Cal uses it to fashion what he believes he wants his "legacy" to look like and that legacy has nothing to do with specific achievement for UK/Program. It's just a fact. BBN unrest continues to grow and something soon will have to give. Calipari's priorities are not WITH/FOR the UK Basketball Program nor Tradition. Those don't matter to him, just as he's stated. He's a Carpetbagging Clown Coach that is fleecing the University with his self-serving Wholesale OAD fraud. The changes in college basketball have not been so extreme and dramatic to have been responsible for the epic collapse under Calipari ... no, the collapse is because of Calipari who doggedly clings to his Wholesale OAD approach without adapting in any way. The UK platform offers any HONEST coach an advantage unmatched in college basketball, yet Cal's malfeasance and ignorance continues to drive the Program into the ditch. Continue to polish that turd if you must but that's on you. Your complaint of us who do point it out makes the rest of us question your loyalty to the PROGRAM. There are those of you who are just Cal fans FIRST. Cal wouldn't be here if it hadn't been for the PROGRAM ... yep, the PROGRAM that he is destroying.
Cal has been here double the time, why not do the first 6 years of Cal at UK so the timeframes matchup?
Obviously Cal hasn’t kept the same kind of success going, but who’s to say Pitino would have? He probably doesn’t.
Most of us remember all the good times he's brought us, even the last six years...destroying Kansas and UNC last year, sweeping UT this year, the first six years, etc. The one's that never shut up unless they are entertained 100% of the time aren't worth the keyboard they rant on.
I'm not saying any of that isn't true. I'm simply adding that that doesn't account for why Kentucky basketball has become, what the vast majority consider, many levels below where Kentucky basketball should be. Personally, I believe the main reasons are Cal's in game coaching, prep, roster construction/retention, and now simply the culture.
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