In my 4 years in high school, we had a 6'3" center my freshman year and 2 years of a 6"2" guy. We won a whole lot of nuthin...
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It does seem teams are smaller than in the past, in 1979 I played for a small school less than 300 students total but our starting center was 6'5", both forwards were over 6'2", both guards were over 6"1" and we had a 6'5" boy on the bench, a bit slow but still a load. I watched my old school play back in January and both teams would struggle to put 3 kids on the floor over 6'. Is it the water or what.
Appreciate your insight.
How would Broughton compare to Hawkins and Polson as high school players, who both contributed over the course of their careers at UK, on potential to compete at UK?
There hasn't been 5 players from Kentucky in the last 5 years on that level.
There are also a lot of 6'4 to 6'6 wing players who are very good athletes and can score the ball and defend. The Kentucky State Champion team this year had two.
Quentin Snider, Kellan Martin; Quentin Goodin and James Bolden are 4 that I named off top of my head without really giving it thought. A lot of folk don't get to get out and go see some of these kids play. I have a little time on my hand where I get a chance to.
You're obviously not from close to Broughton, you're just looking at numbers. They aren't indicative of his talent when compared to players at UK. He's a great player for around the 13th region but that's not saying much. EKU is perfect for him. And please don't compare him to Richie. Richie was one of the best high school players I've ever seen, Broughton won 1 regional tournament game in his time at North.With all due respect, it's hard for me to believe that a kid as big and strong and as athletic and aggressive as Broughton that shoots over 60% from the floor and over 40% from 3-point range could not even compete at UK.Your assessment of Broughton is eerily similar to Pitino's assessment of Richie Farmer.
Perhaps we'll get a chance to see.
Broughton is a good player, but no way would he make it at UK. He is at best the 3rd best high school player in that region and that is a region that rarely produces D-1 talent. Just doesn't have a take over the game mentality like the Taylor kid from Corbin or the PG from Harlan County. He has good size but if you are not willing to be the man in regional tournaments then I don't know how you will do it on a stage like UK.
Both were physically stronger than Broughton as Seniors. Hawkins was head and shoulders above Polson with Strength, Defense and athletic ability. Polson was a walk on who hit at the right time. His only Year of real contribution was the 2013 season when we went to the NIT his Jr season. His Sr Year, He split minutes with FR Hawkins all due to no real backup at PG behind Harrison. Hawkins willed his team to a state title on both sides of the ball and is a freak athlete for his size. Broughton is a fantastic player but he's not a UK guy. Walk on possibly, but not a contributer.
And, by this, you mean a correct assessment?
Richie Farmer generally sucked at UK, was far more often a liability than asset, and would not see the floor for the Cal era Cats. It's funny the way our fans have created this myth about what kind of player he was.
Duh, NO!
Interesting that Farmer, albeit as a senior and as a teammate of Mashburn and some other pretty good players, made it as far in the NCAA Tournament as this year's team of 5-stars!
Duh, NO!
Interesting that Farmer, albeit as a senior and as a teammate of Mashburn and some other pretty good players, made it as far in the NCAA Tournament as this year's team of 5-stars!
Riiiight, like it was Farmer leading that team. LOL. Is that how your fairy tale version remembers it? Let's be clear, that team reached the elite 8 firstly because of Jamal Mashburn, followed by John Pelphrey, Sean Woods, Deron Feldhaus and Dale Brown. Farmer was largely just riding their coattails.
Tell me, what exactly was Farmer good at? Certainly not defense, he was a horrendous defensive player who was a total liability on the defensive end of the floor. He did not have point guard level ballhandling or passing skills, which is why we were forced to play him at shooting guard despite being only 6'0". And he couldn't penetrate either.
Basically he had only one useful skill for us--outside shooting--yet even at that one and only skill he was NOT that good (only a 34 percent career shooter). So really he did nothing well.
Yet many of our fans have created this phony myth where we pretend he was better than he actually was simply because we like where he came from and the way he looked and talked like us, and think it a better story if we pretend it that way. It's absurd, if he'd been a black kid from Chicago those same people would barely even remember he was here.
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I think an honest assessment of him as a player would be that he was a poor man's Patrick Sparks. Lot of physical and stylistic similarities, but Sparks was a better shooter and all-around player.
Richie had much better hair and mustache, though.
Do you all want some token Kentucky kids on the bench or are there some? I don't pay attention to your roster outside of the top guys.
Depends on the fan. And UK just ran out of in-state players, which is why you see these type of threads.
Me? I'm for the reality that UK has very, very, very successfully nationalized the program, just like Duke and UNC. So I don't really care. I see some benefit to local kids in that they probably will be more willing to wait, and wait, and wait (and wait), yet still play their asses off when called on. Dominique Hawkins was a legit asset this year, and even if Derek Willis never quite lived up to his talent level (which was actually pretty high), or got beyond his limitations, he was a nice player his last 2 years. Cal is always going to have trouble getting anyone to stay 4 years, and a Kentucky kid is the most likely candidate for that.
But I'm not going to get up in arms when a 6'5" 3 star freshman power forward for Northern Kentucky has the game of his life against UK. Cal can do what he wants with his rosters. It's working pretty well so far.
Yeah, I wouldn't consider it much of a down side to Cal's recruiting success but it kind of sort of, I guess.
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He has signed two. One was Mr. Basketball and the other was offered after an unbelievable State Tournament, much like Cal did with Hawkins. Offer wouldn't have come if he didn't have four available.
To go along with those two he also has a 5*, a 4*, and two other 4* transfers that become eligible next year. I think Stansbury is doing just fine down in Bowling Green.
Please, don't try to misconstrue my post with comments like the following: "Riiiight, like it was Farmer leading that team. Is that how your fairy tale version remembers it?" My post stated nothing of this sort. I simply stated "Interesting that Farmer, albeit as a senior and as a teammate of Mashburn and some other pretty good players, made it as far in the NCAA Tournament as this year's team of 5-stars!"
You appear to be a master of the art of the spin and of Fake Sports News. Why should I or anyone else place any credibility in anything you post???
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My high school's state championship team in the 90s was all white and had a 6-foot-10 center, two forwards that were 6-foot-7 and 6-foot-8, a two guard that was probably 6-foot-4 and a point guard at six feet.
You'd never see that now. They look like middle school kids. Even the state champs of today would get their brains beaten in if they faced teams from the 90s.
I don't know what the hell happened. We had solid talent in the 80s and 90s and even in the early 2000s we had some ballers but I can't remember past 2008 of having any solid talent.
You'd never see that now. They look like middle school kids. Even the state champs of today would get their brains beaten in if they faced teams from the 90s.
I don't know what the hell happened. We had solid talent in the 80s and 90s and even in the early 2000s we had some ballers but I can't remember past 2008 of having any solid talent.
The boy from Scott high school is more athletic than Farmer. He might could come in and play similar to Sparks if he is willing to play sparingly during college. If we have an extra scholly I wouldn't mind seeing it go to him. He is a pretty good player that is athletic enough to play a few minutes.
Ohmer would never get off the bench. Doesn't have the length or speed to defend in Cals system. He's 5'10" at best. Great HS player but not major D1 material. We can't hide guys like him & Sparks in this system.
I'd take him. We could use some players with bball IQ. Can shoot it better than anyone we have as well. Guys like him make plays
You can't fill all the roster spots with MAJOR D-1 talent. With the roster replacement that takes place here , you are not going to fill your 11th and 12th scholarship with a player much better than the kid from Scott. Kids that can sign at other major schools is not going to come to UK as their 12th man. Every kid that has come in from out of state and "played" that spot has transferred out after a year or two. I wasn't totally sold on Ohmer until he continued to put up huge numbers as the competition got better and more athletic.
I'm not for turning away John Wall to give an in state kid a spot , but there is just not that much difference than the kid from NKY or an Ohmer than the guy sitting in seat #12 on our bench.
No but you could pull a 6'4" kid who could guard multiple spots. They're a dime a dozen. But you said come in and play similar to how Sparks did. Kids not getting that type of playing time any year at that size. He's not guarding anyone in this system. You know Cal won't put you on the floor period if you don't defend. If you're talking something similar to a preferred walk-on who gets the scholarship that year if one isn't filled then I'm sold. Give it to Ohmer or any other KY kid. But even instate kids don't want to wait 4 years for a shot at maybe playing when they can go somewhere else and play 4 years. Don't forget this kid was going to University of the Cumberlands until a streak in the state tournament. They had a magical run. They were the underdog in every game they played.
Let me guess you're over the age of 60....I'll take being competitive for a national championship each year over a class full of 2 star KY kids.
Carson Williams is now a better player than Willis was as a freshman, by a considerable margin. So . . . one. He'll be playing for UK next year if Gabriel returns, beings he tattooed his name across his butt 2 weeks ago.
