Karl Hess fired by ACC
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The problem for me is the judgement issue. This is/was poor judgement that has been a hallmark of his officiating for years. Every official will miss a call or make an incorrect decision. They will also make many that are correct. The officials will hear the same abuse no matter which way they call. That is why they must not react to spectator voices. In my opinion, officials really should be basically anonymous. A simple depiction of the foul, who committed it and who should shoot if necessary or the team to inbound should be all that we pay attention to during the game. The refs, with Hess being one of the major offenders, who showboat their calls for the TV or fans detract from the game and incite in many cases the abuse heaped on them. Hess's situation needs to serve as a reminder to all officials to competently fulfill their obligations without self promotion.
If that's a racist comment then I'm not sure I understand how racism works.
Nonetheless I'm glad Karl Hess is gone. He and Ayers have ended too many tournament runs for UK.
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Nonetheless I'm glad Karl Hess is gone. He and Ayers have ended too many tournament runs for UK.
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This post was edited on 1/9 5:45 PM by gossie21
Yes
I would suggest a "white cane"
LOL
I have a Karl Hess (the referee) story
I was in United Spirit Arena in Lubbock for a Texas Tech game when Knight was coaching there, sitting directly behind the basket in the first row
At some point in the game someone (it wasn't me) shouted something to Hess and he turned around from where he was on the baseline and looked directly at me and said "If I hear any more out of you I am going to throw your ass out on the street!"
Seriously, this actually took place
I looked around to each side and behind me, and nobody else was even paying attention, and Hess turned around and gave the b-ball to a player to in-bound and that was all that ever happened
But still, it let me know he was a malignant MF right then and there
This post was edited on 1/9 4:52 PM by Samwise Ganjee
I believe that it is more of an ethnic slur rather than a totally racist one. Mr. Shah being of Indian extraction would not be Egyptian. The fact that he is a natural US citizen versus a naturalized one makes the comment that much worse, albeit, unless Hess is acquainted with Mr. Shah he probably would not know his citizen status. Karl being Karl gets himself canned and is probably through officiating any major conference games and NCAA tournament games.
Sooooooo, he's indian but he called him an Egyptian. What the hell is wrong with people. That's pansy stuff. Why is everyone so offended these days? Man get a life
Well, I'm also not sure that calling someone an Egyptian is an ethnic slur. I doubt people from Egypt are offended when they are called Egyptians. I get that the comment was insensitive and that it is inappropriate for an official to be berating/taunting a fan. I just don't get the racism angle.
Why would he think he was Egyptian if not for the color of his skin? If someone says something in a derogatory manner base on skin color then racism is certainly something to consider. Insulting a fan by a referee is irresponsible and unprofessional. These guys get paid to perform in a professional manner and quite handsomely for the actual game and travel expenses. I don't see how you can't get it.
Most of us over 40 grew up in an entirely different world than what we now live in. Archie Bunker used to say stuff on TV that you wouldn't believe, and the censors trusted that you would come away from it all seeing Archie as the buffoon. Now it's a nanny state. And it works in all directions. If Karl Hess had said to someone at a Kentucky game "your redneck ass" how would we be discussing it on this board?
The bigger issue perhaps isn't what Karl Hess said, but that he allowed himself to get dragged into a personal battle with a fan. It opens the possibility that he will make the next five calls against that fan's team just for spite.
The bigger issue perhaps isn't what Karl Hess said, but that he allowed himself to get dragged into a personal battle with a fan. It opens the possibility that he will make the next five calls against that fan's team just for spite.
One of the cardinal errors by an official is to get into a dialogue with a fan. Never, ever go there.
It sounds like they were probably looking for an excuse to get rid of him anyway. He hand delivered a reason that would likely stand up in court.
The word racist has been hijacked by the PC crowd. It used to mean the belief that one race is superior to another race. The Dodger exec who went on Nightline and said that blacks inherently lack the intelligence to be in baseball executive positions was a perfect example. All of the stuff we now hear defined as racist is really bigotry. But "racist" packs a bigger punch than "bigot" so it has become accepted as the new definition.
I was accused of being a racist several years ago because on a message board I said that black people don't listen to A.M. radio. Funny thing is, a black person had told me that earlier that day. I thought it was funny when he said it. When I said it you'd have thought I was the Dodgers executive. I guess only good people listen to A.M. radio and I was suggesting black people aren't worthy? I don't know. The new rules are confusing.
I was accused of being a racist several years ago because on a message board I said that black people don't listen to A.M. radio. Funny thing is, a black person had told me that earlier that day. I thought it was funny when he said it. When I said it you'd have thought I was the Dodgers executive. I guess only good people listen to A.M. radio and I was suggesting black people aren't worthy? I don't know. The new rules are confusing.
Anyone have a list of the bad calls that really impacted Kentucky games? UAB and Marquette games in the tournament are a couple I remember.
The point is that it is very unprofessional for a ref to interact with the fans in any manner. Any league should have zero tolerance for it. I don't care what the fan does. It is called acting professional.
In my work there are plenty of times I wish I could tell somone to f off, and believe me they would have been asking for it. But I don't. If I did I would be in big trouble and for good reason. I had to fire a guy due to that crap. He couldn't keep his emotions in check and couldn't keep his big mouth shut. When you are on the job you are representing your employer.
Of course, his big screw up was that he mouthed off to a real big shot. A prestigous booster and former trustee. I wonder if he said that to a regular joe fan the reprecussions would have been the same. It should be but probably not.
In my work there are plenty of times I wish I could tell somone to f off, and believe me they would have been asking for it. But I don't. If I did I would be in big trouble and for good reason. I had to fire a guy due to that crap. He couldn't keep his emotions in check and couldn't keep his big mouth shut. When you are on the job you are representing your employer.
Of course, his big screw up was that he mouthed off to a real big shot. A prestigous booster and former trustee. I wonder if he said that to a regular joe fan the reprecussions would have been the same. It should be but probably not.
Good thing he didn't say something about 4 white guys and an Egyptian. He may end up sharing a cell with Karen Sypher.
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Originally posted by Zdata:
Hess also has withdrawn from all SEC games for the rest of the season,
SEC spokesman Craig Pinkerton confirmed in an email to The Associated
Press
Great. He will now probably show up in my high school's gym!!!
SEC games too now?
I am going to kill all of you.
To me, I feel like the punishment for the incident at Wake Forest was more of a culmination punishment than punishment of an isolated incident. I mean...look at the body of work of Karl Hess.
I am going to kill all of you.
To me, I feel like the punishment for the incident at Wake Forest was more of a culmination punishment than punishment of an isolated incident. I mean...look at the body of work of Karl Hess.
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