Kansas loses again. Jayhawks have gained ZERO wins on UK in Pope's stopgap season.

[LineSkiCat14]

I wouldn't trade for KUs last 15 years since Cal got to Kentucky.

I know that the NCAAT is very tough to win. But any way you cut it, Bill Self's has underperformed come March. That's just a fact. And its not just missing the title. It's having a 1 or 2 seed and failing to make so many Final4s

 

[The_Answer1313]

I wouldn't trade for KUs last 15 years since Cal got to Kentucky.

I know that the NCAAT is very tough to win. But any way you cut it, Bill Self's has underperformed come March. That's just a fact. And its not just missing the title. It's having a 1 or 2 seed and failing to make so many Final4s

Tho same number of titles and one had much better seasons.

I don't know.

I mean don't get me wrong, I loved 2012, 2015 and a couple of other seasons in this run. it was extremely exciting.

But I'd venture to guess KU fans probably feel the same way about their last 15 years and wouldn't trade it with ours.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Tho same number of titles and one had much better seasons.

I don't know.

I mean don't get me wrong, I loved 2012, 2015 and a couple of other seasons in this run. it was extremely exciting.

But I'd venture to guess KU fans probably feel the same way about their last 15 years and wouldn't trade it with ours.

Same in titles but only two Final fours, the other one was vacated. That's pretty big to me. I think a Final4 is the next best thing you can achieve in sports outside of winning an actual championship. 4 games, single elimination, in a sport that's extremely volatile.

Cals first 7 years was unprecedented, the amount of winning we did.. and particularly winning in March pretty much covers everything Self has done at Kansas since 2010. Now, Cals downfall was big, and if we want to include that in the equation, I'm fine with that. His recent years certainly diminished his tenure.

But.. there's Self also having a lot of disappointing seasons. Losing to UNI, Stanford, 2nd round exits in 4 of the last 5 tournaments. You just have to be a little better than that in March. No one really cares or remembers conference play.

 

[twwilliams9]

Incorrect. Kentucky was +7 entering the 2024 season. Both teams finished the year with 23 wins and have the same amount of wins this season so +7.

Kentucky is college basketball's all-time wins leader after Kansas vacates 15 wins

After Kansas vacated 15 wins from the 2017-18 seasons due to NCAA violations, Kentucky is once again college basketball's all-time wins leader.

www.courier-journal.com

Wins since 1-18-25
Kansas (6) TCU, UCF. OSU, Iowa State, Colorado twice
Kentucky (5) Tennesee twice, Vandy, Oklahoma, South Carolina

Total to date
UK 2417
KU 2412

 

[legalbeagle123]

Wins since 1-18-25
Kansas (6) TCU, UCF. OSU, Iowa State, Colorado twice
Kentucky (5) Tennesee twice, Vandy, Oklahoma, South Carolina

Total to date
UK 2417
KU 2412

You're citing a KU fan post as authority, which is wrong.

 

[The_Answer1313]

Why are people spending two pages trying to figure this out?

I can't imagine it's that hard to get real time wins for each team LOL.

 

[hotelblue]

kansas about to do us another solid. down 57-50 with 5:25 left at houston.

 

[Fox2monk]

Both these teams play great defense. I wish we did like this, but man the offense has been ugly for both teams.

 

[Fox2monk]

Ball game.. of course he missed. Then Kansas drills a 3. Man end of game execution.

 

[Fox2monk]

And Kansas slips on the inbound lol. Thank you hairpiece!

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Dajuan Harris has to be maddening. I now he was apart of their championship.. but FIVE years at Kansas now, more inneficient scoring as his career went on, and could never once for one year average double digits points. He's about as mid as you can get. The type of player I wish Kansas had forever, but they will almost for sure get an upgrade over him.

 

[Fox2monk]

Dajuan Harris has to be maddening. I now he was apart of their championship.. but FIVE years at Kansas now, more inneficient scoring as his career went on, and could never once for one year average double digits points. He's about as mid as you can get. The type of player I wish Kansas had forever, but they will almost for sure get an upgrade over him.

He reminds me of Wheeler. Like looks good sometimes. Appears he could lead you all the way but is overall as mid as it gets. The issue with Kansas is AJ Storr going from stud to looking like he can’t even play D1, KJ Adams can’t shoot, and he’s surround by mid shooters like Harris and Dickenson who is pure post.

 

[hotelblue]

i respect houston’s defense and going crazy for rebounds, the mentality and all that. i just can’t ever project a team like theirs to win it in march. they score 65 every game and win by no more than 3 possessions on the regular.

impressive, but in the tournament 65 points is just not enough. some lesser school gets hot for 5 minutes and it’s basically over. houston does not run good offense. they take a lot of hard shots. they just continually make them in possession games. that’s hard to do in march six straight games.

 

[westerncat]

Glad to see them get beat again.

 

[Rideordiewildcat]

Kansas goes down again. Take care of business tomorrow night and add a game to our total.

 

[The_Answer1313]

i respect houston’s defense and going crazy for rebounds, the mentality and all that. i just can’t ever project a team like theirs to win it in march. they score 65 every game and win by no more than 3 possessions on the regular.

impressive, but in the tournament 65 points is just not enough. some lesser school gets hot for 5 minutes and it’s basically over. houston does not run good offense. they take a lot of hard shots. they just continually make them in possession games. that’s hard to do in march six straight games.

The slow pace and limit number of possessions does make them more susceptible to upsets.
That being said Virginia did win a title playing similarly.

Plus despite the low scoring it's only that low because they play slow. Their offensive efficiency is 8th ranked. If they ran up and down the court like we do, they'd score 90+.

26th in turnover %, 12 in offensive rebounding %. Nearly shoot 40% from 3 as a team (3rd in the nation).

I definitely think they could contend.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Hopefully we add one of Kansas tonight.

Kansas also has a tough season-closer against Arizona.

Hopefully we end the regular season at +6, and then gain 1 or 2 in the SEC tournament.

I'll be happy for a net gain of one game (+6) by the end of the season.

 

[Creed Bratton]

Unlike Cal he got that 2nd title though and that means a lot for his legacy.

Oddly enough both titles were won under scandalous circumstances. The first with Darrell Arthur and his altered grades in HS to get him eligible and the 2nd with the Adidas scandal.

 

[legalbeagle123]

Hopefully we add one of Kansas tonight.

Kansas also has a tough season-closer against Arizona.

Hopefully we end the regular season at +6, and then gain 1 or 2 in the SEC tournament.

I'll be happy for a net gain of one game (+6) by the end of the season.

We are ahead 7 now, 8 if we win tonight.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Why are people spending two pages trying to figure this out?

I can't imagine it's that hard to get real time wins for each team LOL.

Well, instead of making fun of Kentucky fans for trying to get an answer to the real all-time wins number, why not just simply help? I provided a link to an official source going into the 2024 season which shows +7. Both schools have won the same amount of games since then. Take a look yourself and try to help if you would because that twitter account twwilliams is posting appears to be wrong, by my estimation.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Wins since 1-18-25
Kansas (6) TCU, UCF. OSU, Iowa State, Colorado twice
Kentucky (5) Tennesee twice, Vandy, Oklahoma, South Carolina

Total to date
UK 2417
KU 2412

Current wins totals:

Kentucky 2,461
Kansas 2,454

Entering the 2023-24 season, Kentucky had 2,419 wins, added 23 in the 2023-24 season and has added 19 in the 2024-25 season so far.

Entering the 2023-24 season, Kansas had 2,412 wins, added 23 in the 2023-24 season and has added 19 so far in the 2024-25 season so far.

That twitter account is wrong. The current wins race has Kentucky +7. I hope that helps because that Twitter account is stuck at a point in the past somewhere or can’t math.

 

[hotelblue]

The slow pace and limit number of possessions does make them more susceptible to upsets.
That being said Virginia did win a title playing similarly.

Plus despite the low scoring it's only that low because they play slow. Their offensive efficiency is 8th ranked. If they ran up and down the court like we do, they'd score 90+.

26th in turnover %, 12 in offensive rebounding %. Nearly shoot 40% from 3 as a team (3rd in the nation).

I definitely think they could contend.

i’m not surprised that they have a high efficiency offense because they make shots. i’m saying if you watch them play they regularly are taking difficult shots.

 

[The_Answer1313]

i’m not surprised that they have a high efficiency offense because they make shots. i’m saying if you watch them play they regularly are taking difficult shots.

Logically too one would think easier shots = higher %.

Then again Houston let's say they do take difficult shots. They've played 30 games at this point. Now, i just tend to think if teams can do this through a large sample of games, they could probably also do it in a 6 game stretch in March.

Plus they might not have to. Because the defense is going to bail out the offense at times as well. They are able to afford a poor shooting day compared to say.......us. Especially considering they generate so many more shots by 1) not turning it over and 2) rebounding.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Why are people spending two pages trying to figure this out?

I can't imagine it's that hard to get real time wins for each team LOL.

Still waiting on your answer, Mr. Answer @The_Answer1313 😂

 

[The_Answer1313]

Still waiting on your answer, Mr. Answer @The_Answer1313 😂

lol.
We are plus 7.

Your totals based on my 5 mins of Google search was accurate lol.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

lol.
We are plus 7.

Your totals based on my 5 mins of Google search was accurate lol.

Thank the good lord. This idiot was right…once at least

 

[The_Answer1313]

Thank the good lord. This idiot was right…once at least

Name is not fitting. You have good posts on here lol.

There are others that make me go WTF at times haha.

 

[Digger-Cat]

I'll confirm as a KU fan this is true. Self taking a lot of heat this year. Last year was disappointing also. Didn't have any depth. Tried to fix that this year and brought in a lot of portal guys. Seems like he brought in pieces but not necessarily pieces that fit well with one another. I don't think Self is great with transfers... he excels when he can bring in freshman, break them down and build them up. But that takes 2-3 years to do and that isn't CBB anymore. His 22 national championship team was a bunch of 3/4 stars who had been there at least three years. Brought in one transfer (Remy) that made an impact. I fear the game is passing him by a bit. Also ever since his heart attack, I don't think he is the same guy and takes it a bit easier (I am not faulting him for this btw).

I remember KU fans joining in with the national media and every other fanbase when the BBN "ran Cal off", saying we made a mistake, "he has four FF's and a title".
Now that you're seeing the slide happening with Self, you're going to see what we experienced here, only Self's title was just a couple years ago.
UK had been in a nosedive since 2019, but no FF's since 2015 and a whole lot of embarrassment the last 4 years of his tenur.
We have higher standards than that and I'm assuming KU does too.
These jobs have a shelf life and it's sped up now that NIL and the transfer portal are here. Guys like Self are going to wear down and hang it up.

 

[Joerules19]

I remember KU fans joining in with the national media and every other fanbase when the BBN "ran Cal off", saying we made a mistake, "he has four FF's and a title".
Now that you're seeing the slide happening with Self, you're going to see what we experienced here, only Self's title was just a couple years ago.
UK had been in a nosedive since 2019, but no FF's since 2015 and a whole lot of embarrassment the last 4 years of his tenur.
We have higher standards than that and I'm assuming KU does too.
These jobs have a shelf life and it's sped up now that NIL and the transfer portal are here. Guys like Self are going to wear down and hang it up.

Agree w most of what you say. I do think self will go out sooner rather than later and will go out on his own. While all these coaches have egos no doubt, I think Cal has/had a bigger one and had to be pushed out of UK more than self will. Time will tell

 

[Joerules19]

Logically too one would think easier shots = higher %.

Then again Houston let's say they do take difficult shots. They've played 30 games at this point. Now, i just tend to think if teams can do this through a large sample of games, they could probably also do it in a 6 game stretch in March.

Plus they might not have to. Because the defense is going to bail out the offense at times as well. They are able to afford a poor shooting day compared to say.......us. Especially considering they generate so many more shots by 1) not turning it over and 2) rebounding.

Houston is 2-3 of all teams I would not want to face in the tourney. Their switches on defense are excellent and you may only get a handful of open threes. Better pass well because they will turn you over like mad. They are a bunch of grown ass men. You aren’t going to out tough them and you won’t blow them out. Not saying they will win it all, but they are an extremely tough out

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Agree w most of what you say. I do think self will go out sooner rather than later and will go out on his own. While all these coaches have egos no doubt, I think Cal has/had a bigger one and had to be pushed out of UK more than self will. Time will tell

Dude, Cal leaving the way he did set us up for Pope. Be happy instead of angry lol