Yeah but you still need those players in practice and in games to show the freshman how it is.
Jones saying he's hearing Gabriel may be gone soon
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People will bash this, but its true. Cal must change to win when it matters. We can't just be a weigh station to the pros, its one thing to lose top guys, but even marginal college players are leaving the program (Hami, Wenyen, PJ, not to mention SKJ and Wynyard leaving). Contrary to popular believe on here you need both talent and experience to win in the NCAA tourney unless you have an super team like the AD team.
its not going too. QG and/or PJ will also be leaving. so since its not going to stop....what are you going to do about it?
If I am a Duke fan I am having a similar reaction to UK fans. Though they won our title 3 years ago and perhaps there isnt the same sense of urgency.
No one has ever won one without significant contributions by 4 year players. Uconn was close one year so I'll include a 3 year player too.
I never expected Gabriel to come back, don’t think he should go but this guy almost left last year. I hope he has a good career in Europe or wherever he goes. Now if PJ or Vanderbilt goes I’ll be surprised
Gabriel or PJ leaving would be the first one that makes the wrong decision.
It's interesting that we heard all about Cal making a case for Knox to stay, but we don't hear anything about the same conversation with the fringe 2nd rounders.
It's interesting that we heard all about Cal making a case for Knox to stay, but we don't hear anything about the same conversation with the fringe 2nd rounders.
We haven't had a freshman dominate anything in a while. We've have good freshman, but not dominating. Kat and AD??
Think about how important Hawkins was. Miller and Willis were 4 yr players too. 4 yr players are very good things to have.
oh well. i guess you shouldnt bother watching games anymore.
how important is it? we didnt win anything with hawkins and willis. nothing.
He is a lottery pick if Brazzers held a draft, not so much the NBA.
Murray averaged 20 ppg. Hard for a SG to dominate, and we didn't really have the team for anyone to dominate that year, but I'd put him in their category.
Because none of their families are talking.
But if you think he told Kevin Knox that he could come back and improve and that he'd love to keep coaching him but just hit ignore when Wenyen Gabriel called to talk, I don't know what to tell you.
Define dominating. Murray was great. Fox and Monk were great.
Ok. It's whiney to not want to lose more than 6 people off this year's team? We are in Bizarro World.
Neither did over 300 other teams. The year we did win had a 4 yr Miller, and two Sophomores returning from a FF team.
Which is probably why Krzyzewski tossed whatever reservations he had about 1 and dones. Also why Kansas has become such a transfer factory.
5 star recruits, by and large, don't want to be in college. Period. You can't depend on them staying for any significant time, almost no matter what.
The only hope for college basketball to develop any stability is probably if the NBA ups G League salaries and uses it as more of a true developmental minor league. Ideally, with a rule that a kid either goes straight out of HS, or isn't eligible for the draft for at least 2 years.
We'd be waving bye-bye to almost all elite talent, but the players coming in would really be choosing college, as opposed to now when it's more of a "no other realistic option" thing.
I didn't say that. My guess is that he had the same conversation with all of them. I'll give you a pass for being pissy, as we're all frustrated here.
I still don't think that stops it though. It just moves the talent line required.
If the G-League develops, that means there's more spots for more players to get paid. Then the elite guys jump straight to the league. Then the guys left behind dominate college because there's no elite talent and move on to take the G-League spots vacated when the elite guys move to the NBA.
There's no way to *really* fix it, because being paid actual dollars is way better than being paid in a degree you don't want and won't use and we can't allow *that* or this whole thing will be a pseudo-amateur sham.
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Yeah, my bad. I wasn't talking directly to you. More a comment on that overall line of thinking. There are people who think that because we don't hear about it, that it doesn't happen.
Still, sorry about that.
Which is the last team to win a title without some experienced talent that contributed?I still don't think that stops it though. It just moves the talent line required.
If the G-League develops, that means there's more spots for more players to get paid. Then the elite guys jump straight to the league. Then the guys left behind dominate college because there's no elite talent and move on to take the G-League spots vacated when the elite guys move to the NBA.
There's no way to *really* fix it, because being paid actual dollars is way better than being paid in a degree you don't want and won't use and we can't allow *that* or this whole thing will be a pseudo-amateur sham.
Exactly.With the rumors PJ is also leaving I don't see how people don't see we would have a major problem next season.I get Knox,Shai and even Diallo leaving but this would be crazy.
This ^^^^^. And it DOESN’T work. We definitely need some of these guys to stay and they’re trying like hell to leave.
Again, which teams have tried?
The nature of college basketball isn't such that any team is just trotting out five freshmen and playing no one with any experience.
If we had won it this year, people would have pointed to Wenyen being an important part of the rotation. Duke had Grayson Allen. No one is trying to do the thing that you all keep saying is impossible to do.
It isn't impossible, it's just not being attempted because the circumstances that would require it are incredibly specific.
If this keeps happening after mediocre seasons under Cal, I’m not too confident about any year moving forward. Kids are seeing they don’t have to win much at the college level to get to the big time. Just show some flashes here and there, and voila, millionaire.
Time to get rid of the one and done and let kids go out of high school if they want. Maybe then they’ll learn their lesson.
Some I’m sure feel like that if they don’t leave after 1 year. I love Coach Cal but some of the turnover (that shouldn’t occur) is highly questionable and frustrating!
I was bending including 3 year players, which WG will be. The actual fact is no team has won without significant contributions by 4 year players. We tried that in 14, 15, 18 and we will again in 19. Losing a quality 3 year player like WG would be bad.
Yeah, I am fine with trying to do with mostly freshmen, if those freshmen are the elite of the elite, and we throw in a sophomore, junior or transfer in there. But we can't do it with very good, but not great classes and very little returning talent.
I think you are right. I guess my point is that trying seems to require a hell of a frosh class. I dont see that next year, though perhaps 2019 is trending that way. Impossible to know.
Meh, he did get some PT, and would have gotten some down the stretch if not for that incident. But no, he's not a key loss. But I said at least, because we could still lose Green or PJ.
