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This culture that Cal has created is ridiculous. These guys feel like total failures if they don't leave after 2 years.
I never tried to offer a solution. .
So does Arizona, LSU, Washington, Missouri, Texas, Miami, Oregon, UCLA and every other team in the NCAA. Cal didn't create the one and done culture, neither did AAU by itself.
Sorta how Duke had a transcendent Bagley , very solid upperclassmen along with “best recruiting class ever” last year and made it exactly ONE game further than the Cats? Also not winning their Conference Tourney ? What culture is K creating at Duke?
They feel like “total failures ?” Did some of our players say they felt like total failures ?
IF Gabriel leaves it’s a terrible decision on his part. In no way is he remotely ready for the NBA, but Cal can only do so much. I’m very confident Cal and Co have told Gabriel he’s better off returning and working on his game, but at the end of the day he’s a 20 something year old who will make his own decisions.
GOOD on Cal though for busting his A$$ to secure some top guys for next years team though
Edit- not being combative Seccats , just sayin
I have never heard a single player say this.
Then, to be blunt, so what? It's broken and hopeless and we can't win that way and can't fix it? Look around the country. There are maybe four teams that would even hesitate before trading places with us.
That's mighty big of ya. Cal is Cal. He does his job by bringing in talent that are quality young men. We don't have car wrecks, DUIs, drug, assault issues since Cal has been here. I am pretty sure this is on players and their "circle". As to being recruited over, players have to be ready to fight for their spots. Can't pout and and transfer. The only thing Cal can do is make sure the program has options if and when the unexpected happensNo but some teams have done a much better job of having a balanced roster. There's a mass exodus with us every single year. This past year was supposed to be our rebuilding year, with 11-loses and a piss poor performance against K-State (in the easiest path of our history) and we're still dropping guys off our roster like flies. Cal sets the tone, get the credit when things go well and gets the blame when they don't. This one is on Cal.
That's mighty big of ya. Cal is Cal. He does his job by bringing in talent that are quality young men. We don't have car wrecks, DUIs, drug, assault issues since Cal has been here. I am pretty sure this is on players and their "circle". As to being recruited over, players have to be ready to fight for their spots. Can't pout and and transfer. The only thing Cal can do is make sure the program has options if and when the unexpected happens
Cool. This will be of great comfort next year when we have the youngest team in the country again, flame out in the Sweet 16 and lose 7 players.
Replace him with a talented grad transfer and we're fine, especially if it's a versatile one that can score from outside.
When you'll continue complaining while acknowledging you have no solution?
I mean, awesome I guess. I'd find a different hobby.
Not sure what this has to do with Gabriel . Why would not recruit multiple 5 star pgs? You should always recruit multiple 5 stars at every position. That is why losing Gabriel in itself doesn't hurt - we have Ej and JV and Richards still and will add a grad transfer or 2 .Obviously the solution would be not to recruit multiple elite PGs when you already have a returning 5 star PG on your roster... but Cal has no intention of doing that so why bother?
Not sure what this has to do with Gabriel . Why would not recruit multiple 5 star pgs? You should always recruit multiple 5 stars at every position. That is why losing Gabriel in itself doesn't hurt - we have Ej and JV and Richards still and will add a grad transfer or 2 .
So you think every top 50 player goes pro in 2 year or less?When we stop recruiting exclusively top 50 players.
He was glad we lost that game. Allowed him to troll about those two guys. Only time he posts now.To be fair, we were flat out ****ed in 2017. We played more than good enough to win that game. Higgins derailed our title hopes yet again.
When you'll continue complaining while acknowledging you have no solution?
I mean, awesome I guess. I'd find a different hobby.
Obviously the solution would be not to recruit multiple elite PGs when you already have a returning 5 star PG on your roster... but Cal has no intention of doing that so why bother?
In 15 WCS and Poythress were juniors and WCS was a 1st team all american does that count as significant contributions by 3 year players? And in 14 we played in the title game and I don’t believe experience is why we lost( injuries to WCS and Julius along with not staying in the zone).I was bending including 3 year players, which WG will be. The actual fact is no team has won without significant contributions by 4 year players. We tried that in 14, 15, 18 and we will again in 19. Losing a quality 3 year player like WG would be bad.
Of course not. It's much better to just make up something they would say.Like one of them would say..."I'm going to transfer because I'm such a failure." ?
Who was the significant 4 year player on Floridas 2006 title team, the first of the back to back? Since you say it’s a fact.No one has ever won one without significant contributions by 4 year players. Uconn was close one year so I'll include a 3 year player too.
If you look back, you'll see that every winner had significant contributions from 4 year players. As I said before, I was bending things a bit to account for WG. All the if's and buts in the world don't change the fact that we didn't win those years.In 15 WCS and Poythress were juniors and WCS was a 1st team all american does that count as significant contributions by 3 year players? And in 14 we played in the title game and I don’t believe experience is why we lost( injuries to WCS and Julius along with not staying in the zone).
Very sensible post.Bad choice by Gabriel if he does leave. No way Cal is telling him to leave if he goes it is on him. You can't make him comeback. If he leaves good luck to him. We will still be good with or without him.
Moss, playing 11mpg is significant in my book.Who was the significant 4 year player on Floridas 2006 title team, the first of the back to back? Since you say it’s a fact.
It will eventually happen, but taking the road we take just makes it harder. Agree or disagree I guess.The fact is virtually no team has tried, and tons of teams lose every year with all kinds of upperclassmen. There's just no formula to it.
What if we bring in Daum or Travis to replace Wenyen? Will it not count if we lose because he's new to the system but count if we win because they're technically experienced?
3ppg and 2 rpg is significant in your book????? That’s rediculous.It will eventually happen, but taking the road we take just makes it harder. Agree or disagree I guess.
Moss, playing 11mpg is significant in my book.
Cool. This will be of great comfort next year when we have the youngest team in the country again, flame out in the Sweet 16 and lose 7 players.
Not this rinse repeat BS again...if you gonna pose an argument at least dress it up a little, don't copy or imitate, that's just lazy. They only time I have ever heard that players FEEL like failures if they remain here more than a year is only from posters on this board. They usually claim whoever MJ said it. C'mon feelings of failure is why our players are trying to get drafted or play overseas cause they feel bad for staying over a year...
I don't think anyone said we would be okay if we got Diallo back. In fact, I think most were clamoring for him to go.The problem is we have said that about everyone. Ok SGA is gone but if we get knox back, OK Knox is gone but if we get Diallo back, OK Diallo is gone but if we get Gabriel back, now OK Gabriel is gone but if we get Washington back. Within a few days we will be looking at it like well at least we have Richards back. Just about 10 days ago there was a chance it might have just been one departure and now we are starting over again. Definitely more frustrating than other off seasons so far. At some point this really will have to change.
And you’ve talked to them and know this. What about the culture of leaving after 1 year.
I think the culture is fans babbling utter nonsense about crap they know zero about. That culture is deeply ingrained in some.
Completely agree. I think what a lot of folks on this board and Duke's board don't appreciate is that "talent" is only one part of a team winning. Experience, continuity, culture, coaching, those are all factors that together are much more important than just talent.Because the message it sends is "if you aren't gone after one year, we'll bring in multiple people to replace you". It reinforces the "one and done or failure" mentality that is pervasive here.
How in the world can you build any sort of team year after year with that type of culture?
So stupid. We have a down year and still lose more players than any other program (besides Duke). When will this end?