Sumrall won’t be at either of those schools. I could see him going to Mississippi State though if they cut ties with their current coach. I could see Arkansas as a possibility too. But I think Sumrall would also crawl to UK to coach here if he was offered. Similar to Mark Pope on the basketball side. Kirby Smart isn’t leaving UGA anytime soon. He’s a lifer there. He probably wants to break Saban’s records.
Well it’s at least proof he won’t let off the gas if he gets up a few scores.
I love Sumrall. I love following his career as a head coach being a former player and coach here. I’ve been a Stoops supporter (although more luke warm the past year or so) and I hope Sumrall continues to win and can be our next coach when Stoops moves on. I don’t think there are any problems with that.
This. I’m not asking for or insisting Mark should move on right now, but when the next move is made I want John Sumrall as Kentuckys next head Coach. It’s just the right fit all the way around. Time will tell but the man is making a big time name for himself.
I don't think any coach has had the OC turnover that stoops has had in his coaching career.
I know gran was here 4 but I don't believe any others were here more then 3 and I think that was Neal Brown ,then in no particular order he has Shannon Dawson 1,Scankarello 1 ,liam 1 and 1 ,GRAN 4 ,Brown 3 maybe 2 . That's a whole lot of turnover considering Brown and Gran was half of his tenure.
Nope, I'm knocking on geezer status. I remember missing on howard and regretting it, but not McClendon.
Had we put an effort into retaining Bear Bryant instead of prioritizing Basketball (and I know the Cadillac vs Lighter deal was largely debunked) we might be the greatest overall college athletic program in history.
I think your last part is key. No way he is staying after the 1957 season. He would have gone to Bama.
A lot of SEC head coaches were hired as former coordinators not as head coaches.
I'd wholeheartedly disagree. He's going to be a hot name for P4 jobs this cycle. I think he's good enough he can be patient too. If Florida moves on from Napier, for example, Sumrall will be in the thick of that hire. They'll strike out on the "sexy" hires and then get to the next group. That's where he's at, and probably at the top.
In the league currently, you have Kirby, Lebby, Beamer, Lea, Pittman, Stoops and Venables. 3 of the top 5 teams in the nation are led by guys in their first head coaching gig. As has been proven over and over again, there is no exact science to getting a great HC. Some up and comers work, some don't. Some P5 guys work, some don't. Some coordinators work, some don't.
He'll for sure be in the mix there, but Pittman might've gained a ton of traction Saturday. Home win vs LSU and there's no way they can fire him.
Coordinators or position coaches:
I said SEC. And comparing Kirby to Brad White is pretty funny. Most. Recent. I'll wait if you want to have a real conversation about it. Hell, give me the last 10 years of SEC coaching hires that were assistants. Don't just cherry-pick what you think are good examples. Throw them all out there.
I edited my post. There are 7 current guys in the SEC who came straight from being an assistant
And I'll do the same for you. Give me the past 10 years of guys who were hired from the G5 ranks. Throw them all out there. Proven success as a HC at the G5 level is not an indication that you will be a successful P5 HC.
Not at all. And I didn't say they had to come from the G5. It's just my belief that if you're an SEC program you don't have to take a flier on a Brad White type. At least not at UK now. Post Joker (assistant fail, btw) sure, but Stoops (assistant win, btw) has elevated the program beyond that. Nothing is guaranteed, but there are measures from experiences that can certainly manage the risk.
Alright, here we go. Last 10 years (2015 on), guys that were hired in the SEC::
Oh, I agree on Brad White. It's not that he can't be successful, I just feel like we have the guy at Tulane who is Brad White but can recruit better, has the "it" factor and is a UK grad. I think we both agree that Sumrall is the right choice, but that doesn't mean that he will be more successful as a P4 HC than a current coordinator.
We agree a lot more than I initially thought. Basically summed up my thinking. I'm not sure it's a good thing for you though, normally being on the same wavelength as me is a bad thing!
I like coordinator continuity. However, there are a couple things that must be included in the conversation. Brown and Coen took other jobs. Before Stoops, I rarely remember other schools wanting our coordinators as coordinators or HCs. Coen is on the list twice and it was obvious he preferred the NFL over the college game. I think Stoops tried to reproduce Coen's first year by bringing in Scang. His system with all its verbiage was too complicated to be implemented in one year. (Which is needed in today's transfer/NIL world.)
Not every coordinator wants a HC job and that may be where White is. John Chavas was a top notch DC for years at TN and elsewhere but turned down many HC offers. Gran too. These guys want to coach but don't want the responsibility a HC has, dealing with media/alums, etc. Re Coen, this is just my opinion based on nothing but guessing, didn't pony to the recruiting involved. I have no idea what UK does post-Stoops but I don't think UK will have a problem finding a good coach and that's good news.
