Is Oweh’s return less likely ?
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Saw a mock draft of both the first and second round. Oweh was not on it. And like I said there was a lot of foreign players haven't heard of in the first and second round. Coward was the first pick in the second round. Is it possible he stays in the draft?
Disagree.
If not for NIL, Oweh would most likely be gone for sure.
A lucrative NIL deal might be the only thing that keeps him in school.
I don’t know about you, but I am out exactly 0 dollars due to NIL, so I have no problem with it.
I’m all for talent staying in college. And I have no problem with players getting paid. They should have been getting paid all along.
Thanks for voice of reason here. No one that would be drafted into the NBA will ever return to college because of NIL money.
It’s possible that Oweh could return and improve his national visibility on a Final Four contender and that would improve his draft slot. He may be one of the few players that could happen for, but he should be betting on jumping to any NBA team willing to give him a chance at this point.
I really don't have a problem with players getting paid either. I just disagree with how everything is set up.
Agree with this. Also outside of NIL he can market himself in college for sponsorships, and even more money. In the NBA he’s not getting those opportunities. He’s going to be scrapping to even make a roster.
People make terrible decisions every second of every day.
I don’t think going to the NBA is a terrible decision, but I look at it from this perspective:
A chance to play 30-40 more games as a starter getting 25+ minutes a game.
A chance to play in Rupp 12-13 more times.
A chance to be First Team All-SEC.
A chance to be SEC POY.
A chance to be an All-American.
A chance to be National Player of the Year.
A chance to go the Final Four.
A chance to win a title.
A chance to be Final Four MOP.
A chance to leave as an all-time great player in UK history.
That’s a lot to give up to likely play in the G-League for less money and play in empty buildings, with no television coverage.
And really a long shot to make a 12-man roster.
I just don’t see the appeal of going unless you can get a guarantee that you will make a roster and stick and make close to the same money.
If you aren’t first round material, or can get a deal similar to a first round deal, then why not go back and have a chance to be great and be remembered at this level?
Financially, it wouldn’t really make sense to give up more money and more fame and more exposure and more adoring fans, just to get a one year jump on your career.
This is assuming he can’t get a contract worth more than what he would make at UK. I just don’t think that is realistic.
But like I said, people make terrible choices every second of every day. This wouldn’t be a bonehead move or anything, when it comes down to it. But it’s probably not the smartest move either.
I don’t think going to the NBA is a terrible decision, but I look at it from this perspective:
A chance to play 30-40 more games as a starter getting 25+ minutes a game.
A chance to play in Rupp 12-13 more times.
A chance to be First Team All-SEC.
A chance to be SEC POY.
A chance to be an All-American.
A chance to be National Player of the Year.
A chance to go the Final Four.
A chance to win a title.
A chance to be Final Four MOP.
A chance to leave as an all-time great player in UK history.
That’s a lot to give up to likely play in the G-League for less money and play in empty buildings, with no television coverage.
And really a long shot to make a 12-man roster.
I just don’t see the appeal of going unless you can get a guarantee that you will make a roster and stick and make close to the same money.
If you aren’t first round material, or can get a deal similar to a first round deal, then why not go back and have a chance to be great and be remembered at this level?
Financially, it wouldn’t really make sense to give up more money and more fame and more exposure and more adoring fans, just to get a one year jump on your career.
This is assuming he can’t get a contract worth more than what he would make at UK. I just don’t think that is realistic.
But like I said, people make terrible choices every second of every day. This wouldn’t be a bonehead move or anything, when it comes down to it. But it’s probably not the smartest move either.
Everything that you said is absolutely true. The chance to be a college legend doesn’t hold the same cache with these players as it did to players in years gone by imo. What these guys see is the allure of the NBA. And you don’t have to be a first round pick to make money.
More and more second round picks are getting deals with rosters expanding to 15. Then you have the 2 way contracts and the rule 10 contracts(i think that’s what it is). All they care about is getting inside the building.
I agree with what Matt said earlier on his show. Even if Oweh leaves then we will have 3.5m to go snag an elite replacement like Luis, Haggerty or an NBA draft drop out. That spot will be held by an elite scorer one way or another.
Yup.
Rather have Oweh and would be fine with paying him more if that’s what it takes. He’s pretty much elite level. Leading scorer, All-SEC. Probably the SEC POY favorite. Likely a preseason All-American.
But if we can’t get him to come back, spend that cash on someone like Haggerty, Watkins, Williams, or Luis.
Could you imagine Lowe and Haggerty on the floor together? That’s some major scoring punch in your backcourt, with both being able to get to the rim at will. Put Aberdeen at the 3 and essentially have 3 Point Guards. That team would be almost impossible to slow down.
Would much rather have Oweh, but Haggerty would be a nice consolation prize, if Pope is willing to pay his alleged 4M price tag.
Well said, bucs. Also, OO has plenty of family support, and his family has resources.
If he returns, he and his family can enjoy / savor a final season that would have irreplaceable opportunities and potential lifetime memories.
Can't really see them all shuffling to a G-League game for the Fire Ants, or some such, instead of the potential all-time season that awaits him here.
As has been said, leaving wouldn't be a stupid decision, but I think OO and his family really enjoyed his UK experience, and want to repeat it unless he's given a very firm / good reason not to.
We have 3.5 already, it would get done IMO if he’s available still and Oweh leaves. We will find someone, but I want OO to return.
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That would be the DUMBEST decision he could make. He'd be leaving money on the table at UK if he did that.
It makes NO sense from a business standpoint.
My opinion has nothing to do with Cal.
Oweh is what he is. He’s a very good college player. He’s not a pro.
Actually it’s improved college basketball.
This right here sums up why he should return. But logic may not make its way into the conversation. Emotionally, to be an NBA player is something every one of these kids strives to become. If he sees himself being drafted in the second, promised by a certain team to draft him etc. it may be enough to make him jump. He could look at everything you just said and say "yeah? so what? what if I get hurt and suffer a season ending injury?" That could shake him. But you are right, he has a shot to do everything you just said.
Borderline guys are staying in college. They may not stay where they started. But they are returning to college.
And getting the money they have gotten all along.
Things will level up. They always do.
Things were tilted too far to the schools and coaches for too long.
Maybe the pendulum has swung too far?
But it will come back.
The thing that needs to change now is deadlines.
There needs to be hard deadlines just so teams can plan better.
Let the player decide. You just have to decide by this date.
Nah it’s a lot about cal whether or not people realize it. 15 years of one guy will make you think what he does is a norm. Your opinion doesn’t translate to other coaches’ tendencies. It was a Kentucky thing. But he’s gone. That’s my point, it won’t look the same.
Everything you see here after a dollar sign is pure speculation.
The thing that nobody talks about, is how Pope recognized how good Oweh could be. He got him, put him on a big stage and made him much better than he was before and he gave him the opportunity to do what he is doing right now.
The system Pope runs, is solid gold for guys like Oweh. I hope this leads to more guys like OO.
The system Pope runs, is solid gold for guys like Oweh. I hope this leads to more guys like OO.
Same thing for Amari. I see his name at the end of the 1st round.
I think he could be a pro, just not at the moment. One more year in college making more money ain’t going to do anything but raise his current draft stock.
Much of these numbers are coming from sources that have contacts in the coaching ranks. For example, Goodman has been feeding some numbers for a while and he 100% is getting them, likely, from agents players and coaches. I don’t know that we’ll ever have it pinned down until years down the road when players themselves begin to answer the questions. But right now it seems safe to believe a guy like Oweh is getting 3 million give or take. No way he can make that guaranteed in the NBA.
These numbers are not being made up by posters here.
Great kid it seems. Hope it works out for him either way.
IF he's gone, he's gone and we gots to move on.
There will be someone of equal value to take his place.
We should know not to fall in love with the
rent-a-player anymore, our hearts will get broken far too much
IF he's gone, he's gone and we gots to move on.
There will be someone of equal value to take his place.
We should know not to fall in love with the
rent-a-player anymore, our hearts will get broken far too much
Going for an NBA evaluation is routine. Your evaluation tells you what you need to work and keeps your name out there for the draft conversation next year. NBA GMs do crazy things sometimes, but if Oweh is making in the 3 million range coming back to UK then I 💯 % expect him to be at UK next year.
I as a Cat fan, hopes O comes back but completely understand if he stays in the draft
So many players are put in this position and opt to leave for the NBA even though they are on the bottom tier of players going in that year hoping to make it. Thing is, think for a moment how many players leave college only to fade into space somewhere never to heard from again.
If you are one of those players on the low end of a roster, with each passing year of new players leaving college with dreams of taking your spot, you are in a tough position. Even players who make it usually end up as trade bait.
These are tough decisions for kids to make. Like a poster said, todays kids do not care about a legacy in college. Think back to Floridas run in the early 2000's; those kids all stayed to win back to back championships. That mindset has gone away.
Some if not many will disagree with me on this, but I look at Reed Shepard as an example. I loved this kid being at UK and hated seeing him leave but understand why he did. Agree or not, but it seems he has become an afterthought these days. He may hang around for awhile longer but like I said, there are many coming after his spot every day and if you are not playing on a regular basis, it is easy to get lost in all the hustle and bustle of a business who is constantly looking for better players.
So many players are put in this position and opt to leave for the NBA even though they are on the bottom tier of players going in that year hoping to make it. Thing is, think for a moment how many players leave college only to fade into space somewhere never to heard from again.
If you are one of those players on the low end of a roster, with each passing year of new players leaving college with dreams of taking your spot, you are in a tough position. Even players who make it usually end up as trade bait.
These are tough decisions for kids to make. Like a poster said, todays kids do not care about a legacy in college. Think back to Floridas run in the early 2000's; those kids all stayed to win back to back championships. That mindset has gone away.
Some if not many will disagree with me on this, but I look at Reed Shepard as an example. I loved this kid being at UK and hated seeing him leave but understand why he did. Agree or not, but it seems he has become an afterthought these days. He may hang around for awhile longer but like I said, there are many coming after his spot every day and if you are not playing on a regular basis, it is easy to get lost in all the hustle and bustle of a business who is constantly looking for better players.
I don't belive anybody is telling Goodman anything, unless it's exaggerated numbers to create locker room tension for top teams. Nobody's breaking an NDA to give Goodman a scoop. Most likely he's speculating for clicks.
He has probably talked to some players he’s friendly with like Kerr Krissa to get an idea. I’m sure these guys talk about what they have gotten and some agents. I’m sure he has a general idea but I don’t think everybody and their mom is getting 2M like they say. A few guys a year probably get 2-4M, starters get 750k-1M I’d guess.
The other thing is, I don't hear, or see, any coach, player, agent, or family member debunking any of the dollar values that have been put out there for these players. If all these numbers being thrown out there are false, surely somebody attached to one of these players would say something.
Idk who brought up this clowns threads but thank you. Couldn't hit ignore faster.
I would to know who the guys Pope is looking at to replace Oweh if he leaves.Great kid it seems. Hope it works out for him either way.
IF he's gone, he's gone and we gots to move on.
There will be someone of equal value to take his place.
We should know not to fall in love with the
rent-a-player anymore, our hearts will get broken far too much
Oweh isnt leaving. He is going through the process to learn what he needs to work on in hopes of being drafted in the future.
I agree- no way he is leaving- NBA rosters are hard to make and if he leaves $$ on the table at UK, not sure how he going to make that kind of $$ next yr in the G League, overseas or somewhere else
I think he actually does. These coaches talk to him regularly and can easily say what’s common without breaking out names. They’ve told him the going rates they just use the grade of the player not the names and I’m sure some actually have leaked names. Goodman is valuable to some of these coaches more than many realize. He’s a go to in the CBB game and they want the press.
Leaking happens constantly even with NDA or classified information. As in non stop actually. There’s no way the numbers on these players hasn’t been leaked out, and Goodman would definitely be one to know because he’s got tons of contacts with not just assistant coaches but coaches at every level of this. I don’t know why anyone would doubt it, you don’t need the players to say anything but agents also float this stuff also for numerous reasons. Yea it’s been out there leaking happens at every level of everything.
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