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I think most of us realize it's rigged

Don't know about rigged but there is no doubt a level of "given but not earned" to the Carolina run. They've been given a real good whistle the whole tourney, that is without question and in private they would even have to admit that. And not just a few calls here or there but huge calls/no calls. Starting with the walk/charge against Arkansas and on, any one of those calls could have knocked them out in three close games without question
 
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What I actually want is full time referees that are graded each game by an independent body.

College basketball isn't fixed, but certain referees are badly biased and others are complete incompetents.

A product that generates billions of dollars shouldn't still be using part-time officials who are accountable to no one of consequence.

AMEN!!!
 
Still think UNC winning means more money for the NCAA.. It's a much larger fanbase.. Ties to ESPN..

I mean it's 3 games in a row now.. Pretty ridiculous and i dont see that changing tomorrow.
 
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The same team that only managed, I think 43 points in their conference.......

huh?
That team also went 14-4 in one of the best conferences in basketball.

I mean it's ok to question things but lets not act as if they aren't a good team.
 
a tie is actually the worst thing for Vegas because they have to return to both sides of the bet and they don't even get to keep the .10 so they break even but on bets where they pay out to winners they keep the losers money too so that offsets usually. Maybe the Clemson game was one of the exceptions but most bets the spread changes depending how much money is bet each side so that Vegas will almost always pay out the same as they take from the losers and keep the .1

I thought you said above that Vegas keeps the 0.10 no matter which team wins or ties?
 
lol I find it extremely unlikely the NCAA would want a team like UNC to be the face of college basketball.
 
It's not "rigged."
Guys like Higgins aren't corrupt in the sense they take money to influence games. He might have a subconscious bias against Cal/UK that he can't even recognize. Or, it's possible he's just an overrated D1 official who has buddies in high places. Or, he could be better than we think he is if we watched every game he's officiated this year for teams not named UK (emphasis on "could"). I thought he was OK in the SC/Gonzaga game.
The officiating universe is a hodge podge of independent contractors who all have their own styles and strengths/weaknesses. Maybe the full time NBA model is the way to go....maybe younger officials would do better than the older guys, but I'm not convinced of that. Experience is pretty important in this gig...it's a tough one folks...if you can do better, give it a shot.
 
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even so, I'm not convinced that they won't let Gonzaga win Monday.

The key is getting Carolina into the game, in hopes that someone will watch.

The winner will be determined by Vegas, and they may want to stick it to all the folks who bet on UNC heading into the weekend.

It is obvious that there is a lot of cheating and dishonesty among the officials and I can accept that as being by design where the NCAA profits so much from the Las Vegas establishment that they can afford pay the officials openly or maybe they give them money under the table. Either way the NCAA comes out ahead. My question however is how deep does the corruption run. It would seem that the top flight coaches make enough that money would not be an incentive to throw games but I would think that many, many coaches aren't in that category. So just how many of them would be involved?
 
huh?
That team also went 14-4 in one of the best conferences in basketball.

I mean it's ok to question things but lets not act as if they aren't a good team.

ACC is usually "one of the best conferences in basketball" like you say.

But it wasn't this year.

ACC teams got their butts handed to them in the tourney. And if not for cheating refs, their sacred baby UNC would have gotten nowhere near Arizona.

Like the OP says, it's rigged.
 
So, they make more threes, UNC gets marched to the line more. It's not that hard.

Why didn't they call a foul on Meeks on that last rebound? Was that punishment for Oregon's poor perimeter shooting?

Why didn't they call a lane violation on Meeks. He clearly went past the free throw line after he released the shot before the ball touched the rim That's a violation unless there's been a rule change that I'm not aware of.So, he had 3 violations on that last play (1) lane violation by the shooter (2) push in the back of opponent (3) over the back foul
 
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Think if was r
Maybe, just maybe, that's a foul at any other point of the game. There was a push, but it was subtle. It's not like he ran over the Oregon player. But that would have sent Oregon to the line with a chance to go to the championship. I know a "foul in the 1st minute is a foul on the last", but that would have went down as one of the worst ticky tack calls of all time.
If it was reversed would ithave been called? If honest I think you know the answer, if not rewatch UK vs uncheat game and rewatch especially the call to end first half with Fox and the non charge call on Fox...Fix is/was in!
 
This is the first year after watching this tournament for over 50 years that I feel the officiating is helping chose winners. The Arkansas and Kentucky games were clearly weighted in North Carolina's favor. Yesterday was not so obvious.
 
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It's starting to remind me of professional boxing. I hate it being like this. The NCAA has ruined the sport.
The NBA has ruined the sport.... Well, both have , also TV deal's worth who only know's the amount of money!! Until some one put;s a halt on the nba governing the college game, it's going to be this way...... :flush:
 
ACC is usually "one of the best conferences in basketball" like you say.

But it wasn't this year.

ACC teams got their butts handed to them in the tourney. And if not for cheating refs, their sacred baby UNC would have gotten nowhere near Arizona.

Like the OP says, it's rigged.

The Big 12 and ACC were the best conferences in college basketball this season.
 
And UK fans tee'd that up, handed that to them on a silver platter.

If Higgins were simply incompetent, there wouldn't be a perception of biased calls because mistakes would be random & eventually balance out. Thus, Higgins has some conscience or perhaps sub conscience bias for either UK or Cal. This was pretty blatant and IMHO, we had a good case and public opinion was on our side until some fans made Higgins a victim.
Now, it's almost impossible to have a serious public conversation (as you just pointed out) without having that thrown in our faces.

BTW - Higgins bias does not require a grand conspiracy going back to the seeding, to crown UNC. It's possible that minus a few calls, UK wins it all. If powers that be cooked up a plan, there were 3 games that nearly busted the plan. Keep in mind that before the loss, our own fans said the south/midwest was the hardest side of the brackets. Pretty shitty conspiracy to stick your darlings on the harder side of the brackets.

Another point...had Ark beat UNC and Duke advanced, we'd have had the same claims, but with Duke being the objective of the conspiracy. Many have said Zaga had a path cut for them to allow Mark Few get his first NC. It's possible to armchair quarterback any number of conspiracies....after the fact.

I don't believe there was a grand plan to hand UNC the title. I do believe Higgins had a bias vs random incompetence and it cost UK the win. Occam's razor - Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. In other words, the explanation that requires the fewest leaps of faith is usually the correct one.
yep. I feel like I'm in the sane, safe middle. Over in one direction are people who think there is some sort of grand conspiracy to rig the entire NCAA playoff. Can't imagine how one might imagine that would work and not be found out at some point. And in the other direction who people who live in some naïve ideal world where all officials are competent and fair and no one ever holds a grudge or acts on a bias.
 
It's not "rigged."
Guys like Higgins aren't corrupt in the sense they take money to influence games. He might have a subconscious bias against Cal/UK that he can't even recognize. Or, it's possible he's just an overrated D1 official who has buddies in high places. Or, he could be better than we think he is if we watched every game he's officiated this year for teams not named UK (emphasis on "could"). I thought he was OK in the SC/Gonzaga game.
The officiating universe is a hodge podge of independent contractors who all have their own styles and strengths/weaknesses. Maybe the full time NBA model is the way to go....maybe younger officials would do better than the older guys, but I'm not convinced of that. Experience is pretty important in this gig...it's a tough one folks...if you can do better, give it a shot.
He certainly gets his pick of the games, mostly due to his good buddy Curtis Shaw who is a referee assignment coordinator, or whatever they call them. However, I would love to see an independent investigation into his financials based upon his very biased officiating. - May find something, may not!? GO CATS!!
 
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Let's see, so it is rigged to make unc win. And the best way to do that is to give them a legit 4 seed opponent. Then set them up to play either uk or ucla in the elite eight. Then probably Kansas (except that didn't work out). And you do this with a conspiracy that requires tens of people working in concert to set that 'easy bracket' because anytime you have 10 or 20 folks working on a conspiracy no one ever talks and spills the beans, right? And get with the refs and be certain they know to cheat because that never comes out in public and sends folks to jail. Oh and cheat against the team with the most fans because that will help make more money by eliminating them and getting their fans to stop watching. Of course we all know it is really Vegas pulling the strings because UNC always covers the spread and vegas wants UNC to cover because they make more money that way. Except that isn't how gambling works for casinos. And of course UNC hasn't been covering the spread most often have they? Bottom line, If you really believe it is rigged and that your favorite (whomever that is) can't win then why watch or even pay attention? There must be less miserable ways to enjoy life.


You're right. Therefore, unless UK is playing I don't watch.

I do pay attention to the NCAA ignoring cheaters and crooked referees and wonder how anyone can be so dumb/ignorant not to recognize the situation.

Well Obama was elected twice so it's not that big a mystery.
 
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Anyone still not believe there's outside influence? That unc just randomly benefitted from game deciding calls in the last 4 games of the tournament?

Love to see a stats person run the odds on that being by chance
 
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I don't see the same thing some of you do. I see inept officiating. . . Nothing more, nothing less.
I can think of 4 clearly botched calls late in the game that went AGAINST UNC.

There was a gonzaga airball that sailed out of bounds. It was called a tip, though replay showed no carolina player touched it.

There was an and-one call that should have been awarded to Meeks that would have fouled out Collins. No whistle.

There was a clean ball strip that was whistled a foul on Berry.

There was a very obvious travel on that wasn't called, but instead drew a foul.


I think some of you are loons with this "RIGGED" nonsense,

To me, the very notion that these part-time officials are entrusted with the knowledge and a role in RIGGING college basketball is absurd. Do you realize the power and leverage that would provide those individuals with over a multi billion dollar industry?

But I have to ask....if you actually believe this, why do you watch/follow college basketball. Why cheer for something you believe is scripted?
 
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I don't see the same thing some of you do. I see inept officiating. . . Nothing more, nothing less.
I can think of 4 clearly botched calls late in the game that went AGAINST UNC.

There was a gonzaga airball that sailed out of bounds. It was called a tip, though replay showed no carolina player touched it.

There was an and-one call that should have been awarded to Meeks that would have fouled out Collins. No whistle.

There was a clean ball strip that was whistled a foul on Berry.

There was a very obvious travel on that wasn't called, but instead drew a foul.


I think some of you are loons with this "RIGGED" nonsense,

To me, the very notion that these part-time officials are entrusted with the knowledge and a role in RIGGING college basketball is absurd. Do you realize the power and leverage that would provide those individuals with over a multi billion dollar industry?

But I have to ask....if you actually believe this, why do you watch/follow college basketball. Why cheer for something you believe is scripted?

People watch it for entertainment and because of ties to teams/programs.

Nonetheless, many of us watch less and less each year.

The reality of these things set in. You ask yourself, "why keep watching?" And then, you stop.

I'd much rather stop watching then defend corruption and incompetence on a message board.
 
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