Mitch has nixed cooperation with any UK collectives and has stated on the record that he doesn’t think players should be getting paid. The teams we compete against have ADs that are deciding to embrace change and then figuring out to what level they wish to dive in, whereas Mitch is the guy wearing khakis and a polo at the beach.
How is MB handcuffing UK with NIL?
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You’re nuts if you don’t think Stoops would pay for players if it was within the rules. He’s not some boomer idealist. He’s a competitor and will do whatever he can, within the rules, to win.
It’s not that he’s following the rules. It that he has stated he is not comfortable with this change and he is restricting the coaches from even doing things which would seem to be within the rules at this point. He’s blown the whistle for adult swim and won’t even let the kids stand anywhere near the pool.
Pretty funny reading some unhinged lack of perspective UK fans losing their ish over NIL as compared to the week Florida football has had.
If you haven't been paying attention their new coach issued an apology letter this week - before he has coached a damn game. Before he has called 1 single play. Why, because allegedly their AD is handcuffing their NIL activity, and recruiting is going badly.
Learning to deal with this is really not just a UK thing folks!!
If you haven't been paying attention their new coach issued an apology letter this week - before he has coached a damn game. Before he has called 1 single play. Why, because allegedly their AD is handcuffing their NIL activity, and recruiting is going badly.
Learning to deal with this is really not just a UK thing folks!!
Here is a link to a story about that letter:
Florida coach Billy Napier in scramble mode amid recruiting struggles, pens open letter
ATHENS — Billy Napier may have been hired by Florida because of the lessons he learned from Alabama coach Nick Saban in the five seasons he spent with him, but the new Gators’ head coach has some tricks of his own.
www.dawgnation.com
With the polo having the top button buttoned no less.
Despite what some posters claim, no one wants UK to cheat. However our coaches absolutely need the ability to get creative in some of the new/gray areas that are obviously non traditional.
This genie isn't going back in the bottle. We can either play ball fairly but creatively, or we can get left behind. Right now it's the latter
Don't look now but UL got a 4* OL commit. The results will keep rolling for them while we twiddle our thumbs. It's ok at least our ad jumped in the pool with the girls water polo team
Agreed and frankly I hope the NCAA is somehow able to reel this in a bit because I don’t think we have the booster pool to keep up with the top half of the SEC.
So just to be accurate:
1. Paying NIL to High Schoolers is not against any written rule. They were never published, so they are not in effect.
2. Mitch wants to get ahead of the curve and not be penalized IF it is banned in the future. Because the NCAA has been feckless since North Carolina and would be bankrupted trying to put the NIL Genie back in the bottle, or by trying to enforce a rule that does not exist.
3. But it is not banned now.
Getting close to the limit of what you are allowed to do means, you have not violated any rules. He is limiting UK to a standard that does not exist.
College football recruiting has been the Wild West for decades and the teams that go for it in recruiting have generally been the most successful. A conservative mindset of “let’s be safe and wait and see” is a recipe for disaster and a whole lot of mediocre football.
Where are you seeing ncaa and everybody else coming around to seeing things like Mitch?
Exactly…there is not rule enforceable to pay for play And if a ruling were to come later to punish it…we’d be in a long line of teams to be punished…hence nobody gets punished
I have a hard time seeing why anyone is even worried about what the NCAA might or might not do with regards to renegade programs anymore.
Now, you might have OTHER issues with playing fast and loose, but the specter of NCAA "punishment" should be the least of your worries. Their teeth were pulled years ago...
Now, you might have OTHER issues with playing fast and loose, but the specter of NCAA "punishment" should be the least of your worries. Their teeth were pulled years ago...
NCAA is already trying to put restraints on the NILs to focus them back on the purpose of athletes on campus earning money off their likeness and not for recruiting purposes. The public will start to clamor for that too when the see the sport the love start to deteriorate into a chaotic money grab competion. I know . . . not that it hasnt been to some degree already.
All the talk about who would replace Cal when the real question could be who would replace Mitch Barnhart (I.e. come back DeWayne Peevy). Mitch had his eyes set on Mark Emmert’s chair so it might explain why he is being so conservative with NIL. No need to irritate the board of your future coworkers by speaking out against something they (NCAA) are trying to control. He’s playing the politics game here.
Right now we're losing recruits. It'll get worse before it gets better.
Then we'll start losing staff.
This is about to get alot worse before it gets better. Oh well at least Mitch keeps his top button tight.
Then we'll start losing staff.
This is about to get alot worse before it gets better. Oh well at least Mitch keeps his top button tight.
Mitch needs to retire with some dignity intact and let an up-and-comer (like Peevy) take the reigns.
I think there is a lot of speculation in your post. First, the football program is in better shape than it's been since the Bear was here. Basketball has been frustrating recently, but I would hardly say it's in bad shape. They have won a national championship during Mitch's tenure. It looks like he has done very well for the main flagship sports compared to past ADs? Who has done better?
What evidence is there that he is resistant to NIL deals for football, other than speculation you read on this board? I would very much doubt most of what you read here is accurate. I say that because the school can't really control NIL deals. They are made by third parties to athletes. If the school is going to disallow a NIL deal, they better have a damn good reason or they could be sued. UK has no legal authority to tell a car dealership, for example, that they can't pay an athlete X amount of dollars for his/her name and likeness. I just think a lot of what is said on here is BS. Do you really believe that if someone offered a UK athlete millions for NIL and UK said no that the athlete wouldn't go to court over that kind of money? I certainly would. And UK would have no ground to stand on.
That being said, UK is a small market team. Do we have enough deep pockets to field a competitive basketball and football team in the long run? I'm skeptical unless the market prices for NIL settles down. NIL, if it's not regulated in some way, has the potential to dramatically change the landscape of college athletics, and not for the better.
Straight from Mitch’s mouth. He said it’s his job to preserve the integrity of the NCAA or some junk like that. Like he’s running for NCAA President. It’s way out line. His job is to help UK football get better. The best way for him to do that is stfu and let Stoops and Vince work.
Mitch and UK have some sort of NIL review process. Somehow, he’s convinced that some NIL stuff is illegal, and it’s his job to sort through this NIL mess.
He said all this stuff. He’s a loon.
So trying to operate with integrity makes one a loon in your opinion. I think you may want to think about which perspective sounds more loony.
That being said, his comments tell us nothing about the actual policies and practices that are taking place inside UK. It's just speculation based his comments about some schools misusing NIL. For the record, I think UK should do whatever is legal to do. If something isn't technically legal, we shouldn't do it and assume the NCAA will not enforce that rule. We should be pushing the NCAA to enforce its rules, not breaking them ourselves and hoping they don't enforce them.
I don’t make the rules. You can pay players and recruits now. Integrity has nothing to do with it.
You stated there’s no evidence Mitch is dragging his feet with the new NIL stuff, and that is completely false. He’s said so. He doesn’t like it.
You stated there’s no evidence Mitch is dragging his feet with the new NIL stuff, and that is completely false. He’s said so. He doesn’t like it.
He didn't say any such thing. No where in his comments did he say he is dragging his feet on NIL deals.
Not those words verbatim, but he absolutely did. He stated how we are taking extra precautions with our NIL review process…wtf that is.
I know the letters M and J will throw gas on this fire, but do you think MJ would be saying this stuff it weren’t true? This guy has gone above and beyond to defend Mitch for a long time, and if he’s going this hard for our football program, you can believe Stoops and Co. are upset with Mitch’s bs.
I know the letters M and J will throw gas on this fire, but do you think MJ would be saying this stuff it weren’t true? This guy has gone above and beyond to defend Mitch for a long time, and if he’s going this hard for our football program, you can believe Stoops and Co. are upset with Mitch’s bs.
Mitch won’t even serve beer at football games. He’s done great things for sports nobody cares about but we need to get with the times!
This is a quote from Mitch this year…how else can you interpret this along with our piss poor recruiting?
“I think sometimes there have been frustrations of our coaches who want us to move a little quicker,” Barnhart told Finebaum. “We’ve been cautious. We’ve tried to be steady in choppy water
Paying high school students as a recruiting inducement violates KY state law.
Per SB 6:
A person or entity shall not give or promise compensation for the use of the name, image, or likeness of a current or prospective student athlete to recruit or induce the athlete to enroll at any Kentucky institution.
I have no idea if it's accurate but heard this weekend that the law, as it was passed by state legislature, is what limits the collective deals and thus UK's hands are tied as the law currently is written.
You may be correct but how if UL going around it?
@CatPatrick to be fair has U of L ever cared about rules and/or abiding by them?
Now now now. We've been told by a handful of posters here this isn't happening. Can't be. It's just our ears lying to us.
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I think there are probably several ways that could be interpreted. You are assuming that means dragging their feet on specific NIL deals for players. I doubt that is happening. That statement could relate to resources they hire or allocate internally to administer NIL. It could have to do with trying to determine the line in which UK can be involved in NIL without violating NCAA rules or State law. There are probably many things that could relate to. The reason I doubt your interpretation is that UK has no legal authority to block a NIL deal unless it is against State law or NCAA rules. I have no problem if they do either of those things. Otherwise, they have no legal authority to slow play or block a player from getting NIL money. They also have no competitive reason for doing that. In fact, if you look at Oscar's situation, UK has worked diligently to try and determine a way for Oscar to legally make NIL money. It makes no sense for UK to aggressively help Oscar figure out how to make money while restricting others from making money. I think the interpretation floating around has more to do with the general public not understanding the workings of the athletic department and NIL and therefore interpret the comment in the only way that makes sense to their limited understanding of the situation.
Good post but I didn't realize he was responsible for the obscene gas prices when there is plenty available I thought Biden was responsible for that, not surprised though.
Sure, the NCAA is going to suspend half the major football programs. Probably right after they take the basketball NC away from Kansas.Actually, this article says May of 2022!!
Task force to big-money boosters: NIL sanctions could be coming - Sports Illustrated
College administrators are finalizing guidelines expected to clarify that boosters and booster-led collectives are prohibited from involvement in recruiting, sources tell SI.www.si.com
Sh!t’s going to hit the fan hard if the NCAA rules collectives illegal prior to or after the season begins, given that collectives with no business purpose related to real advertising have been openly buying players.
I am pretty much done with my rants, too many stupid fans on here.
Did you say IF? Mighty big two letter word.Actually, this article says May of 2022!!
Task force to big-money boosters: NIL sanctions could be coming - Sports Illustrated
College administrators are finalizing guidelines expected to clarify that boosters and booster-led collectives are prohibited from involvement in recruiting, sources tell SI.
Sh!t’s going to hit the fan hard if the NCAA rules collectives illegal prior to or after the season begins, given that collectives with no business purpose related to real advertising have been openly buying players.
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