How is MB handcuffing UK with NIL?

[maysvilleky]

I keep reading how Mitch is hurting UK with regards to NIL. Just wondering if anyone can detail how/what he is doing to handcuff UK? I was thinking this NIL was all between the players and companies outside Mitch’s control?

So just would like to know what I should be mad about!

 

[BlueRaider22]

You're getting it backwards. The NCAA and NIL system is handcuffing us by forcing us to keep Meeetch. It's just appalling. New facilities have sprung up everywhere....and it continues to get worse as more facilities are being planned and funded. Many of our sports teams are routinely ranked in the top 25 nationally. We're getting national recognition for our football team that historically has been a joke. We have few indiscretions. His bad decisions have been few and his good decisions have been many. The whole thing is just sick.....and he needed to be farrred a long time ago. In fact, I have it on good authority that he is at least partially responsible for the rise in gas prices. When is it going to stop???

 

[The-Hack]

Someone said in another thread that he is
blocking a consortium.

They have no details.

 

[K_TIME]

The main crux as I see it (which is limited to hearsay with some friends on high school football level).

- NIL is open for business for current players like Wandale got paid, Levis got paid and some of the big guys, etc...
- The issue is UK is not as open for business for recruits not at UK compared to other schools are paying dudes a ton that aren't even on team yet.

That is what I am hearing is the current lay of the land.

 

[CB3UK]

We are using the NIL the way the rule was intended. Players here can get deals if companies want them as a face of endorsements.

Plenty of schools, like Louisville, Miami, Tennessee, Texas A&M are using their NIL to land commitments from recruits who aren't even there yet. Pay for play. Thats supposed to be a no no even though the wild West we've got going has folks doing it. Mitch is not on board with that. However you feel about it.

 

[maysvilleky]

Someone said in another thread that he is
blocking a consortium.

They have no details.

Why would Mitch have any say in that?

 

[PushupMan]

We are using the NIL the way the rule was intended. Players here can get deals if companies want them as a face of endorsements.

Plenty of schools, like Louisville, Miami, Tennessee, Texas A&M are using their NIL to land commitments from recruits who aren't even there yet. Pay for play. Thats supposed to be a no no even though the wild West we've got going has folks doing it. Mitch is not on board with that. However you feel about it.

This is sort of the problem, but not quite. There was a draft set of NIL rules developed by the NCAA last year that prohibited boosters from forming collectives whose sole purpose was to induce players to sign with their favorite school. Some Athletic Directors (like Barnhart) have decided to play by those rules, even though the rules were never published.

It’s just one of those things where, if the NCAA eventually decides to issue and enforce those rules, UK won’t be in trouble. But Barnhart wants proof that the NCAA is not planning to enforce those rules before giving permission for UK boosters to form a collective and start buying players.

 

[PushupMan]

Why would Mitch have any say in that?

He knows who his boosters are … he can threaten to ban them from attending UK sporting events if they form a collective without his permission.

 

[maysvilleky]

The main crux as I see it (which is limited to hearsay with some friends on high school football level).

- NIL is open for business for current players like Wandale got paid, Levis got paid and some of the big guys, etc...
- The issue is UK is not as open for business for recruits not at UK compared to other schools are paying dudes a ton that aren't even on team yet.

That is what I am hearing is the current lay of the land.

So recruit the kid with a promise…you just get the backers to agree with it. How could MB stop that?

 

[Tubbyfan78]

Mitch is squeaky clean and will not push the envelope at all. He also wants to continue to spend money on non revenue sports so he can get a trophy. He’s a terrible AD for fans. Schools and committees that want to continue the farce that sports aren’t about business love him because he doesn’t push the envelope.

 

[why_not_kentucky]

Mitch is squeaky clean and will not push the envelope at all. He also wants to continue to spend money on non revenue sports so he can get a trophy. He’s a terrible AD for fans. Schools and committees that want to continue the farce that sports aren’t about business love him because he doesn’t push the envelope.

And Kentucky Football will suffer for that.

 

[The-Hack]

There was a draft set of NIL rules developed by the NCAA last year that prohibited boosters from forming collectives whose sole purpose was to induce players to sign with their favorite school.

Actually, this article says May of 2022!!

Task force to big-money boosters: NIL sanctions could be coming - Sports Illustrated

College administrators are finalizing guidelines expected to clarify that boosters and booster-led collectives are prohibited from involvement in recruiting, sources tell SI.

www.si.com

Sh!t’s going to hit the fan hard if the NCAA rules collectives illegal prior to or after the season begins, given that collectives with no business purpose related to real advertising have been openly buying players.

 

[azubuikefan]

Mitch is squeaky clean and will not push the envelope at all. He also wants to continue to spend money on non revenue sports so he can get a trophy. He’s a terrible AD for fans. Schools and committees that want to continue the farce that sports aren’t about business love him because he doesn’t push the envelope.

He's the best AD we've ever had for UK overall and for the football program.

 

[EastLansingCat]

I think people underestimate the fact that it's not a major market city and has no huge companies based nearby that can drop fat Papa John's/Adidas dollars unfortunately.

 

[Chad Rock]

Mitch is squeaky clean and will not push the envelope at all. He also wants to continue to spend money on non revenue sports so he can get a trophy. He’s a terrible AD for fans. Schools and committees that want to continue the farce that sports aren’t about business love him because he doesn’t push the envelope.

Then he should stand far out of the way of NIL activities…

 

[Freetaxreturn]

I will wait until @jauk11 comments on this 🍺🇺🇸

 

[hmt5000]

Actually, this article says May of 2022!!

Task force to big-money boosters: NIL sanctions could be coming - Sports Illustrated

College administrators are finalizing guidelines expected to clarify that boosters and booster-led collectives are prohibited from involvement in recruiting, sources tell SI.

www.si.com

Sh!t’s going to hit the fan hard if the NCAA rules collectives illegal prior to or after the season begins, given that collectives with no business purpose related to real advertising have been openly buying players.

That is the big legal question to me. If the ncaa doesn't put a foot down on it then college sports are done and we'll end up with naia type college sports and a minor league type pro team deal. What these kids don't seem to understand is that they'll lose millions of eyeballs by not being linked to a college. That will cost everyone after them tons of money. 100,000 people show up to watch Michigan football but you probably won't get 15000 to watch the detroit bombers play the pittsburgh steamers.... and nobody is watching that crap on tv.

 

[hmt5000]

I think people underestimate the fact that it's not a major market city and has no huge companies based nearby that can drop fat Papa John's/Adidas dollars unfortunately.

Would you rather have $1million from one guy or $500 from 10000 people?

 

[Girthang]

"The collective" isn't the problem to me. To me, it's that many schools are using the money to recruit rather than recruiting THEN waiting until a kid signs to see him negotiate and get endorsements. The schools that did it backwards are hoping they get forgiveness, and likely will except with fines. They aren't going to care.

Kentucky knows it would be the scapegoat program that got taken to the woodshed if they did this, and fans of the program should know that, too. UCLA paid players, bragged about it, and the Ncaa did nothing. UK was suspected of it and got hammered. UT and others were in a bidding war for a DL, barely slapped on the wrist while UK got hammered over $200 in money orders and gloves.

Mitch isn't stupid and people here need to stop playing dumb.

 

[The-Hack]

Would you rather have $1million from one guy or $500 from 10000 people?

I’d rather have $500 from 10,000 people, as that is 5 million dollars. 😁

 

[zcats]

I think people underestimate the fact that it's not a major market city and has no huge companies based nearby that can drop fat Papa John's/Adidas dollars unfortunately.

You mean like the metropolis of Oxford Mississippi or Knoxville Tennessee?

 

[SosaUK87]

I think people underestimate the fact that it's not a major market city and has no huge companies based nearby that can drop fat Papa John's/Adidas dollars unfortunately.

UL for damn sure isn’t getting any Papa Johns money after all the shit those 2 went through.

 

[Juan4UK]

If the marketing agency that handles UK has been doing its job then the value in that agency would be to make it easy to leverage national relationships that should allow the UK brand to draw from national sponsors easier. UK basketball, Football no matter. The UK brand wrapped with success under Stoops should be able to wrap some NIL pool sponsorships in. I think that may be what's brewing in the background as well.

 

[bigbluedon]

Mitch is squeaky clean and will not push the envelope at all. He also wants to continue to spend money on non revenue sports so he can get a trophy. He’s a terrible AD for fans. Schools and committees that want to continue the farce that sports aren’t about business love him because he doesn’t push the envelope.

Terrible take. Do better.

 

[bigbluedon]

"The collective" isn't the problem to me. To me, it's that many schools are using the money to recruit rather than recruiting THEN waiting until a kid signs to see him negotiate and get endorsements. The schools that did it backwards are hoping they get forgiveness, and likely will except with fines. They aren't going to care.

Kentucky knows it would be the scapegoat program that got taken to the woodshed if they did this, and fans of the program should know that, too. UCLA paid players, bragged about it, and the Ncaa did nothing. UK was suspected of it and got hammered. UT and others were in a bidding war for a DL, barely slapped on the wrist while UK got hammered over $200 in money orders and gloves.

Mitch isn't stupid and people here need to stop playing dumb.

Believe me Girt, they are not “playing ” dumb. It’s sad.

 

[JHB4UK]

Guys.....nil ain't about "marketing" to customers. If it was about getting in the biggest markets in the USA then the top NIL schools ought to be Rutgers (NY City), Northwestern (Chicago), Georgia Tech (Atlanta), UCLA (LA).

It is about people with resources willing to give to their fav college program. Period, and the return they want is to watch their fav team win. Tell me, what rational business investment return has Joe Craft gotten for all he has given to UK?

The UL situation is about their longtime shoe sponsor just happened to have an exec who had a highly ranked qb son. The exec hooks his son up with his employers partner....and works with his employer to get more talented players to the school to help his son.

 

[CB3UK]

This is sort of the problem, but not quite. There was a draft set of NIL rules developed by the NCAA last year that prohibited boosters from forming collectives whose sole purpose was to induce players to sign with their favorite school. Some Athletic Directors (like Barnhart) have decided to play by those rules, even though the rules were never published.

It’s just one of those things where, if the NCAA eventually decides to issue and enforce those rules, UK won’t be in trouble. But Barnhart wants proof that the NCAA is not planning to enforce those rules before giving permission for UK boosters to form a collective and start buying players.

Yeah that's basically what I was saying. A&M and Miami are currently in their crosshairs over this stuff, but considering the NCAAs impotency on such issues, I say turn em loose

 

[Tubbyfan78]

Terrible take. Do better.

I see hypocrisy is a skill you’ve mastered well.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Yeah that's basically what I was saying. A&M and Miami are currently in their crosshairs over this stuff, but considering the NCAAs impotency on such issues, I say turn em loose

Agreed, the Ruiz guy at Miami was openly bragging about what he was giving BB players to attend Miami. In my years, a guy that gets as mad ad Jimbo did in denying in wrong doing is usually guilty. He is as slimey as Bobby Petrino, just better at riding motorcycles. Not sure a shoe company can spend enough to keep up with the oil Barron's, but looks like they are going to try.

But, I lived long enough to see UGA win another championship, we aren't in the bidding wars so I am sure we will slide.

 

[CB3UK]

Agreed, the Ruiz guy at Miami was openly bragging about what he was giving BB players to attend Miami. In my years, a guy that gets as mad ad Jimbo did in denying in wrong doing is usually guilty. He is as slimey as Bobby Petrino, just better at riding motorcycles. Not sure a shoe company can spend enough to keep up with the oil Barron's, but looks like they are going to try.

But, I lived long enough to see UGA win another championship, we aren't in the bidding wars so I am sure we will slide.

Jimbo is guilty as sin. Aggie fans are openly bragging about what they're paying guys.

You don't just suddenly get the #1 class and out do Saban and not ruffle some feathers

 

[kb22stang]

"The collective" isn't the problem to me. To me, it's that many schools are using the money to recruit rather than recruiting THEN waiting until a kid signs to see him negotiate and get endorsements. The schools that did it backwards are hoping they get forgiveness, and likely will except with fines. They aren't going to care.

Kentucky knows it would be the scapegoat program that got taken to the woodshed if they did this, and fans of the program should know that, too. UCLA paid players, bragged about it, and the Ncaa did nothing. UK was suspected of it and got hammered. UT and others were in a bidding war for a DL, barely slapped on the wrist while UK got hammered over $200 in money orders and gloves.

Mitch isn't stupid and people here need to stop playing dumb.

I don't buy that UK football is under any more scrutiny then other programs.

 

[K_TIME]

Guys.....nil ain't about "marketing" to customers. If it was about getting in the biggest markets in the USA then the top NIL schools ought to be Rutgers (NY City), Northwestern (Chicago), Georgia Tech (Atlanta), UCLA (LA).

It is about people with resources willing to give to their fav college program. Period, and the return they want is to watch their fav team win. Tell me, what rational business investment return has Joe Craft gotten for all he has given to UK?

The UL situation is about their longtime shoe sponsor just happened to have an exec who had a highly ranked qb son. The exec hooks his son up with his employers partner....and works with his employer to get more talented players to the school to help his son.

Agreed.....the notion a bigger city team is going to start being the NIL goldmine...is not reality IMO.

And if you don't think the Nike schools like Bama, Ohio St, LSU, Georgia, Clemson, etc...even UK are going to sit back if Addidas starts to ante up for their schools...you've got another thing coming. Nike will get involved or those schools will be leaving Nike, Under Armour, etc... to get the resources needed to stay on top. As you say...those fanbases will not sit back and watch UL, Rutgers, etc... get kids due to shoe money.

 

[SaguaroCat]

It is about people with resources willing to give to their fav college program. Period, and the return they want is to watch their fav team win. Tell me, what rational business investment return has Joe Craft gotten for all he has given to UK?

I disagree a little on this.
He's bought his wife a ton of publicity to where she could run for governor.
And I do see that as a future phenomenon.
Because a lot of businessmen aren't going to see a benefit to NIL.
But if you are a millionaire with political aspirations, good way to link your name to old state U.

And of course NIL helps marketing. That Whitaker Bank Shot exists for a reason. It's existence in Lexington is way more valuable than it would for in NYC. Not because NYC isn't a huge market, but because Rutgers isn't and the Kentucky Wildcats are in this state.

 

[sam_o]

UK is not going to start buying recruits. I don’t see Stoops ever allowing it even if Mitch wanted to. And I’m fine with it

 

[CRZ4UK]

I don't buy that UK football is under any more scrutiny then other programs.

Do you know Mark Emmerts history?? He was AD at Washington. Calipari came in at the last minute and stole Terrence Jones who was committed to them. The next year he did the same with Enes Kanter who was committed to them. Emmert publicly called Cal a cheet and some other no so nice things. That year Emmert was hired as president of the NCAA. He blocked Kanter from ever playing a game here. Make no mistake. He still despises Calipari. DESPISES HIM!! Not Kentucky so much but we would be collateral damage if he could get Calipari.

 

[Soupbean]

We are using the NIL the way the rule was intended. Players here can get deals if companies want them as a face of endorsements.

Plenty of schools, like Louisville, Miami, Tennessee, Texas A&M are using their NIL to land commitments from recruits who aren't even there yet. Pay for play. Thats supposed to be a no no even though the wild West we've got going has folks doing it. Mitch is not on board with that. However you feel about it.

This is it. Mitch is trying to keep the wild wild west chaos from happening by sticking to the intent of the NIL to begin with, and now you see the NCAA and eveybody else coming around to his side as well as they can already see the out of control nature of things starting to happen sooner than they thought.

 

[SPECT imaging]

We are using the NIL the way the rule was intended. Players here can get deals if companies want them as a face of endorsements.

Plenty of schools, like Louisville, Miami, Tennessee, Texas A&M are using their NIL to land commitments from recruits who aren't even there yet. Pay for play. Thats supposed to be a no no even though the wild West we've got going has folks doing it. Mitch is not on board with that. However you feel about it.

Barnhart is following the rules. Alarming to see that our fans are divided about doing that. Good thing our coaches are not trying to imitate UL and Tennessee.

I see a list of crystal ball picks lining up for Stoops.

 

[SPECT imaging]

He’s a terrible AD for fans.

If you hate winning, I guess.

 

[Blueaz]

We are using the NIL the way the rule was intended. Players here can get deals if companies want them as a face of endorsements.

Plenty of schools, like Louisville, Miami, Tennessee, Texas A&M are using their NIL to land commitments from recruits who aren't even there yet. Pay for play. Thats supposed to be a no no even though the wild West we've got going has folks doing it. Mitch is not on board with that. However you feel about it.

Bingo

 

[BigBluePelican]

Mitch is squeaky clean and will not push the envelope at all. He also wants to continue to spend money on non revenue sports so he can get a trophy. He’s a terrible AD for fans. Schools and committees that want to continue the farce that sports aren’t about business love him because he doesn’t push the envelope.

Agree with this. He has been great for secondary sports. But the main flagship sports? I don’t understand why he tries to force his morals on us with no alcohol. He is so resistant to NIL for football. Just feels like he forgets the common fan.