if a coach at UK had that same success then he would be fired
Gonzaga's Recruiting
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if a coach at UK had that same success then he would be fired
Meanwhile we are losing to Evansville, Utah, Richmond, GA tech, ND with our #1 ranked classes.
He has a better NCAA Tournament resume than Cal over the last 5 NCAA Tournaments (top 10 success in the NCAA Tournament overall)...and he's doing it at Gonzaga. To act like the opportunities and resources are the same is crazy. He has half the budget of Kentucky. He would do just fine here.
he has 1 FF (lost in the title game
look at all the high seeds the Zags have gotten only to go out very early
if he had those same results at UK, yes he would be fired
you are a good poster but when you cherry pick time frames you have already lost
why not go 6, 7, 8 years
Because those years don't matter anymore. Who cares what he did 10 years ago. We do that all the time on here with Cal. "What has he done since 2015?" is all people say. Nobody cares anymore that he went to 4 Final Fours in his first 6 years. So why should we care what Gonzaga did 8 years ago in the NCAA Tournament. Just like nobody cares that Mark Stoops went 12-24 in his first 3 years. We care that he has gone 37-26 in the last 5 years.
He has been a great coach with a very good program over the past 7 years (I went further out for you). He drastically changed his approach with getting big time transfers over the past 7 years. He finally has been able to get big time recruits over the past handful of years and he's dipping even more into the international pool. There is a HUGE difference between Gonzaga prior to 2014 and Gonzaga after 2014. Just like there is a big difference Kentucky up to 2015 and after 2015.
That's not cherry picking stats. That's showing (unlike UK right now) that a coach knew his current approach and style wasn't going to get him out of the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament, so he made changes to his program. He went 13 years (2001-02 to 2013-14) when he made it to the Sweet 16 twice and lost in the first or second round 11 times. Since then, he's made it to the Championship game, 2 Elite Eights, 2 Sweet 16's, was going to be a 1 seed last year with a legit shot and is a 1 seed this year with a legit shot...at Gonzaga, with Gonzaga resources and being a part of a small conference.
It amazes me how Few can get such good players to choose a tiny school in such a crappy conference in one of the most geographically isolated cities in our country.
Gonzaga might be better next year, Timme coming back along with adding Holmgren and Sallis is ridiculous.
Ask yourself this question. Do you think Gonzaga would’ve went undefeated in any of the power conferences this year?! Of course not. There’s your answer.
Why couldn’t they? Unlikely in the Big 12 or Big ten, but I could see them doing it in the other 3. Most people believe they are better than Baylor, and they only lost 1 game in conference.
How did the Gonzaga chokes in the tourney myth start? The only teams that have had more success in the tourney than them since 2015 have been Nova, and maybe Kansas.
Playing in a power conference would have made it more unlikely but yeah they certainly could have done it.
Alabama had 2 SEC losses.
Gonzaga is better than they are.
It's not unreasonable to think the Zags couldn't have run the table in the SEC...........or Pac 12..........or Big East.......or ACC.
Alabama had 2 SEC losses.
Gonzaga is better than they are.
It's not unreasonable to think the Zags couldn't have run the table in the SEC...........or Pac 12..........or Big East.......or ACC.
I'm sure Gonzaga would love to look into changing conferences. Problem is that the PAC-12 won't take them because they aren't a huge research university and they don't add anything for football. The other issues are that if Gonzaga was in the Big 12 or even the Big East (as it was once rumored they were considered for with other Catholic schools) they'd have a TON of travel to do to get to where the other members are. For example, just imagine Gonzaga having to fly all the way to Washington D.C. to play Georgetown.
I really don't understand all the Gonzaga hate. They've made some deep tourney runs into the second weekend on a consistent basis. They play a tough non-conference schedule to boot. It's not like they can just suddenly jump into another conference if they want to.
Why not? They went 4-0 against top 16 teams in their OOC games with only 1 of them being a single digit win. They definitely would have a shot to run the table in a conference like the SEC, ACC, or PAC-12.
Remember ...only March and June matter.
3 of those 4 wins were against top teams in both of those conferences.
That’s fine. That’s not an 18 game schedule.
I'm not even sure what the point of all this is.
So if Gonzaga moved into a power conference and they lost say 1-3 games in conference, would that really mean anything?
They'd still be considered a top team regardless.
So if Gonzaga moved into a power conference and they lost say 1-3 games in conference, would that really mean anything?
They'd still be considered a top team regardless.
Big 10 and Big 12 are both very good conferences this year. I doubt they run the table in either of those. I think they would have a legit shot at winning them, but there isn't any team in American that would go undefeated in those conferences.
Exactly. Which means the competition is better in power conferences. Thus, making the team more prepared for the tournament. Iron sharpens iron. They play in a BS conference.
Gonzaga is outscoring it's conference by 0.32 points per possession.
I mean I don't care what conference you are playing in, you don't see those numbers.
Outside of Baylor, if you put any other team in Gonzaga's conference, they don't outscore the opponents by that margin.
Gonzaga is going to be favored in every single tournament game they play in. There's a reason for that.
I mean I don't care what conference you are playing in, you don't see those numbers.
Outside of Baylor, if you put any other team in Gonzaga's conference, they don't outscore the opponents by that margin.
Gonzaga is going to be favored in every single tournament game they play in. There's a reason for that.
Power conferences are better than non power conferences.
But there's really no indication they "prepare teams for the tournament" more. I mean the Big 10 has been the best conferences the past few years and their tournament teams haven't done great. You could even make the counter argument that the wear and tear of playing in those games makes you LESS likely do to well in the tournament.
Nobody is arguing that the competition in major conferences isn't better. What others are saying is that they have played up to seed or better almost every year in recent years, including beating teams from major conferences on a consistent basis. You're either talented and well coached, or you're not. They are talented and well coached and I don't believe playing in a better conference would increase their chances in the tournament. We obviously differ in that opinion.
I don’t know, they smoked Kansas, Virginia, Iowa, West Virginia and Auburn in the non-con part of their season. I don’t think any of those games were even close.
I don’t think they could go undefeated in this year’s Big 10 or Big 12 ..but I’m not so sure about the others.
I really don't know if this can be said. I just looked back at the last five NCAA tournaments to see what how far they advanced: We have: 2 Sweet 16s (as the 4 and 11 seeds), 2 Elite 8s (as the 1 and 2 seeds) and a NCAA runner up (1 seed). I think all logical people view the tournament as somewhat of a crapshoot as it is a one and done and upsets will happen. All big teams have underperformed at some point in the tournament. I just don't think you can say their regular season schedule is hurting them every year. One thing that Few has done is loaded up the non-con in recent years. They played Kansas, Auburn, West Virginia, Iowa and UVA. Had Baylor on the schedule but cancelled. I don't think many teams have had non-cons like that. Year before they had Texas AM, Oregon, Michigan, Washington, Arizona, UNC. They aren't avoiding teams at all. Personally, I don't think Few needs to change a thing. Recruiting is improving, getting consistently high seeds in the tourney. If they keep this up, you have to think at some point they will get a national championship. But then again, we all know those aren't easy to get...
Absolutely, but why is that the litmus test anyway? They can't choose their conference so they load up ooc.
who cares what the Zags did 5 years ago
in those 7 years he has not been very good in the NCAAT (minus 1 year)
true he does not recruit in the traditional way at a high level
he compensates that with transfers and foreign players
every year he has upper classmen, yet even despite all those high seeds he fails in the NCAAT
he will have a highly rated class next year (probably their highest in their history)
do you think he makes it to the FF next year
I wouldn't see a reason why they wouldn't be one of the favorites to make a final four next season or win a title.
I saw Drew Timme play in high school, and he was a big kid with good footwork, but not a great basketball player. Now he is a great (or at least really good) college player. I don't know if every kid develops that much under Few, but Timme sure has. Based on the games I've watched, Gonzaga is the best team in the country. I hope they win it.
as we all know being a favorite is not the same as getting there
Sure. It's a one and done tournament. Things happen.
But it means they have the talent to make it there.
Cool, can Few bring all his National Championship trophies with him?
First you want me to go back 6, 7 and 8 years and now you don't care what he did 5 years ago. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. And not very good in the NCAA Tournament in that span? Here is the last 5 NCAA Tournaments he has been in (7 years):
2015 - 2 seed - Elite 8 - lost to National Champion Duke - played to seed
2016 - 11 seed - Sweet 16 - beat the #6 and #3 seeds. Lost in the Sweet 16 to Final Four Syracuse - better than seed
2017 - 1 seed - Title Game - lost to national Champion UNC - played to seed
2018 - 4 seed - Sweet 16 - lost to Florida State - played to seed
2019 - 1 seed - Elite Eight - lost to National Runner-up Texas tech - did not play to seed
He's 3 - 0 in the NCAA Tournament in that span against teams that had a better seed than Gonzaga. He's 13-4 against teams that Gonzaga had a better seed than.
So, outside of 2019, he took them as far or further than was predicted based on seed. There are probably only a handful of teams in that time span that have been better overall and better based on seed and expectations. I would say that's pretty good.
I have no idea about next year. They potentially lose 3 lottery selections in Suggs, Timme and Krispert, but have 2 top prospects coming in along with a decent group of guys returning. He has the right system going with partnering stud freshman (see Suggs this year) with very solid upperclassmen. We shall see.
I’m rooting for the zags in this tournament. I want them to go deep and lose in the FF or title game. Then do that again next season. Then maybe he’ll be more open to the UK position if offered. Tell him he’ll be getting a pay raise, better resources, and better competition to prepare his teams for tourney time.
I really like Few as a coach. He brings transfers and, recently, top freshmen and form them into a cohesive unit (much like Cal was good at when he started here- with the top freshmen that is). But I do think the week OOC and conference schedules do very little to prepare them for the big dance. I guess we will see. This is the Zags tournament to lose, so we will see how they do as the overall favorite.
I really like Few as a coach. He brings transfers and, recently, top freshmen and form them into a cohesive unit (much like Cal was good at when he started here- with the top freshmen that is). But I do think the week OOC and conference schedules do very little to prepare them for the big dance. I guess we will see. This is the Zags tournament to lose, so we will see how they do as the overall favorite.
you said and i quote "those years do not matter anymore"
he has had higher seeds then Cal has and has produced exactly zero titles
yea he would be fired at UK or at the very least on the hot seat
Their recruiting will be something to monitor. Duke and uk stayed away from suggs for a reason. No way he was without baggage. Same thing with Chet.
Their aau coach and connection is way shady. May never matter. We'll see
Their aau coach and connection is way shady. May never matter. We'll see
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