Well, I believe Al Gore and his scientists from the 90s who said the deadline for action has passed. Damn. Enjoy the ride!!
Global Climate Changes
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MIT Technology Review just published a short piece on climate change. Well worth a few minutes.
www.technologyreview.com
Do these heat waves mean climate change is happening faster than expected?
General warming predictions are still on track, but recent heat waves are a stress test for the modeling of extreme events.
Those global warming scientists ever recover from being trapped in the ice they swore wouldnt be there?
I mean...that level of embarrassment should take quite a while to overcome. However....in current day I'm sure they are still prognosticating and helping drive inane policies that will bankrupt and/or starve us all.
I mean...that level of embarrassment should take quite a while to overcome. However....in current day I'm sure they are still prognosticating and helping drive inane policies that will bankrupt and/or starve us all.
Trump's defense chief cites climate change as national security challenge
In testimony, James Mattis at odds with others in administration
Famous liberal James Mattis must also be in on the climate conspiracy? Unless...I dont know, maybe it's real?
Haven't kept up, but are they calling it global warming this month? I mean they change it back and forth depending on the current weather.
Climate has changed for millions of years and no animals including man have changed that. Earth gonna Earth.
Very good article Austin, from an highly reputable source. This basically confirms my own opinions about GCC. It's a serious issue even our Department of Defense is treating it as a top security risk and has dedicated resources towards dealing with it. As the article points out the politicians on both sides need to quite politicizing this issue and focus on solutions.MIT Technology Review just published a short piece on climate change. Well worth a few minutes.
Do these heat waves mean climate change is happening faster than expected?
General warming predictions are still on track, but recent heat waves are a stress test for the modeling of extreme events.
My opinion all along is international treaties like the Paris Accords are useful for establishing goals and commitments but the real progress on solving or at least mitigating the impact of this issue will be done through technology. When alt energy sources become more economically and technically advantageous over conventional fossil sources, that's when we'll see a more robust shift to clean energy. We need China to quit building one new coal-fired steam plant every week to service their rapidly growing economy, but they won't do it until they have alternate, affordable options. I would like to see a Moon Landing type commitment to this only on a global scale. Scientists, engineers, manufacturing experts from all over the world should work together on projects. I do see this a potentially booming industry at some point and I'm hoping US companies can be the global leaders.
Oh, we've moved into the fantasy land portion of the solution.
Here's what needs to happen: if you truly believe that we need to get carbon levels down, we need to build carbon capture technology using nuclear energy. Keep the coal, oil, etc., going, but just capture the carbon and put it into the ground.
Humans don't do well being told 'no'. This avoids that issue.
Scientists and engineers were working on carbon sequestration when I was at TVA in the 80s. Guess what, they are still working on it. There have been fits and starts but nothing scalable that can work efficiently and economically has ever been developed.
We can get all the free clean energy we need from the sun if we could just be smart enough to capture it on a widespread scale.
Clean energy is a misnomer. It’s low or zero carbon emissions energy. A clean energy would not be a pollutant.
Al Gore is a tone deaf dick for invoking the Ulvade to make his latest climate change hypocritical comments. George Bush beat him. Let that sink in.
Another horrific weather event in KY. Likely not a coincidence. We have abused Mother Earth, and it’s time to do better. The scientists predicted more extreme weather, floods, more tornados, more hurricanes, hotter weather and it’s happening. At what point do we assume worst case scenario and take action?
If you’re daughter kept turning up with black eyes and bruises, you’d assume it was the boyfriend/husband, right?
You wouldn’t say, girls get black eyes and bruises. That’s normal and it’s just a relationship cycle season that she’s in. And that it happened to her great grandmother, so there isn’t anything we can do about it.
If you’re daughter kept turning up with black eyes and bruises, you’d assume it was the boyfriend/husband, right?
You wouldn’t say, girls get black eyes and bruises. That’s normal and it’s just a relationship cycle season that she’s in. And that it happened to her great grandmother, so there isn’t anything we can do about it.
Why is it we hear climate is not weather whenever we have an unusually cold period, but whenever there are weather events like heat waves or storms, we get an explanation that this is the climate change future, as if flooding in Eastern Kentucky is novel?
Because being proactive is good. Waiting until it’s out of control is more costly
I am not sure what “out of control” means, but am confident that using a rain event to characterize such is not accurate. You just wait when we mark a colder than usual month on the calendar and someone tells you that your fear is unfounded. I doubt that weather event will be an indicator. And, it won’t. And, it is not.
OOC, to me, would mean rising temps, more tornadoes, more flooding, more hurricanes, more wildfires, plagues, famine
Net, until China stops building coal plants, coercing anyone to do anything about CO2 release is a waste at best & more likely hurtful to the world's population. Sure, work on & expand carbon-free energy sources, but stop taxing people for CO2 production and rewarding non-use of carbon energy sources. Subsiding electric car sales is the worst being it's a wealth transfer to the already well-off.
If the revenue received was fully redistributed equally to the every citizen, then a carbon tax would be useful. Otherwise, it's just another government money grab.
The hurricane-caused Licking River flood of 1997 was due to 12"+ of rain in NE Ky. So why these rains are a result of global warming & that rain wasn't escapes me.
I saw a map recently showing that over 1/2 the world population live inside a circle (2,400 mile radius) that includes China, India and SE Asia. An area just 4x as big as the US, but half of that area is the ocean, so essentially over half the world pop lives in area 2x size of US. But we (US) are the problem (eye roll).
Scientists have been talking and studying CC since at least the 70s. I remember earth day at school in 1990. It’s a slow gradual process that gets more extreme and frequent as time rolls on and we get more out of balance.
Global warming is responsible for more sever weather, such has hotter heat waves, colder cold spells, record rain falls, more powerful hurricanes caused by ocean temps rising etc.. The flooding in Eastern Kentucky, which as you say isn't novel, is caused or at least exacerbated by stripe mining, and mountain top removal often without proper reclamation, to go along with unusually large rain fall.
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CC has existed forever.
In 1970's, scientists were talking about us going into a mini-ice age. Winters of 1976-77 & 77-78 were the worst ever - low temps, snow & ice amounts - in this part of the world. That temps were low then in part explains why today's rises look as bad as some think they do (Not me). Also, the US as a whole has still not reached the heat of the 1930's summers.
Regardless, that larger 1997 rain event was not attributed to global warming then. Net to me, no reason to associate this EKy event with global warming. Sh!t just happens.
I agree shit happens, but when it happens with more consistency I start to say hmmm
Mmmmm. Shit is changing and is out of balance
Climate Change was practically immeasurable untile the industrial age got into full swing about a century ago. Since then it's been accelerating at a rapid and increasing pace.
When one part of the world is experiencing extreme cold, other parts are experience extreme or record heat waves. Same for extreme draught in one part and record rainfalls in others. That's a by product of Global Warming, it causes more severe and extreme weather conditions.
That is just false considering the warmth in the Roman Empire Period, Viking villages uncovered in Greenland by recent thaws, and the Mini Ice Age running from 1200-1800. 1816 was the year of no summer. Net, none of living will ever know if today's CC is abnormal.
And so what if world temps rise a bit?
Climate scientists and politicals in the 90s said we had about 10 years before we crossed a line of no return.
I think it’s naive to think these monsterous plants and all our chemical dumping, oil spills, killing the reefs, general waste we generate wouldn’t have an impact on the place we’re living. I actually think that’s an insane viewpoint tbh. But I also don’t like that’s it’s become politicized like everything else and not bi-partisan. Usually when that happens the way to fix it becomes muddy and doesn’t produce real progress. I also think the fact that 75%+ of carbon emissions comes from India and China means lots of this arguing is pointless.
Alarmism is the problem with people reacting to weather events like they have never happened before. Remember when we heard Katrina was the new norm? On the bright side, historically, many more people die of cold exposure each year than heat exposure. So, the poor in those regions have something good to look forward to.
Your right about the mini-ice age, but I'm right that temp changes haven't been a factor until the last century, just look at the acceleration of temps since we started burning fossil fuel at an enormous rate. So what? well the rising temps are responsible for extreme heat, extremes cold, draught, rivers like the Colorado drying up, massive forest fires, mass migration moves as food supplies in some parts of the world vanish. It's a big deal.
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And we did cross the line of no return. The effects of GCC are now upon us, all we can do now is mitigate the damage.
No. Don’t try to recharacterize what they said to fit your current belief system. They said the world would be doomed and, then, their models were grossly deficient and we get the same narrative today.
I didn't "recharacterize" anything. They said we would cross the line and we did cross the line. That's a factual statement regardless of what kind of other spin you want to put on it about prediction accuracies. Models are models, there were many different climate models, some had a more serious timeline that others. But predictions of damage along a time line is just that, a prediction, just like a weather prediction there can be some variance between what is predicted and what happens and when it happens. But science is fact. Global warming is a real issue, it's serious, it will continue to cause more several damage over time. If you deny that that you are ignoring the science in which case I would have nothing further to say to you on this issue because it would be futile.
Yea, but it's not. Media bs promoting crap you never used to hear about.
I'm not buying the hockey stick one bit. Rising temps are not causing extreme cold. CO River drying up because of the all extra people in area sucking it dry. CO River would be just fine if you eliminate all the pumps draining it. Just have Biden turn all those pumps off.Your right about the mini-ice age, but I'm right that temp changes haven't been a factor until the last century, just look at the acceleration of temps since we started burning fossil fuel at an enormous rate. So what? well the rising temps are responsible for extreme heat, extremes cold, draught, rivers like the Colorado drying up, massive forest fires, mass migration moves as food supplies in some parts of the world vanish. It's a big deal.
When you have a plan to shut down China's coal plants & execute it I may GAS. Till then, it's PITW.
