First 2 Dem Rules of engagement:
(1) Make a ridiculous comment to attempt to scare people into giving Dems more power.
(2) Use ad hominem and conclusory arguments against anyone who pushes back.
Thanks Boss Man!
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(1) Make a ridiculous comment to attempt to scare people into giving Dems more power.
(2) Use ad hominem and conclusory arguments against anyone who pushes back.
Thanks Boss Man!
Sri Lanka banned inorganic fertilizer in 2019. It's why they are starving right now.You're literally sharing misinformation.
I searched ESG scores and have no idea where this guy, whose tweet you shared, got his information.
None of these rankings have Ghana or Sri Lanka in the top 10. Norway is 4th, Sri Lanka 86th and Ghana 125th.
ESG Index
ESG Index measures the the risks related to three dimension: environment, human rights and health & safety based on 65 variables.risk-indexes.com
All ESG is is a measure of risk using a wide array of measurements with, 20% of which are Environmental related, 30% Social and 50% Governance.
ESG score is a measure of a company's exposure to long-term environmental, social, and governance risks that are often overlooked during traditional financial analyses.
ENVIRONMENTAL
Environmental Performance, Environmental Risk, Environmental Status.
Social
Aging, Human Capital, Inequality, Social Conditions, Social Unrest, Corruption, Globalization & Innovation, Regulation & Fin. Development.
Governance Indicators
Institutions, Personal Freedom, Political Risk, Political Stability.
Sustainable investing - Country Sustainability Ranking | Robeco Global
Explore Robeco's Country Sustainability Ranking—a research model evaluating 150 countries' biannual ESG credentials, guiding sustainable practices.www.robeco.com
Lastly, even if what that guy is tweeted were true about those three countries being above 90 it doesn't result in his hypothesis being true. Correlation does not mean causation
Water is more essential than food. You don't even have food if you don't have water.
Has nothing to do with the ESG scores that tweet was referencing.
Yes, what's going on in Sri Lanka is messed up but it has nothing to do with ESG.
What's going on in Sri Lanka is due to governmental incompetence.
Inorganic fertiliser ban could harm production with major implications | Daily FT
The group of 30 scientists and experts have informed President Gotabaya Rajapaksa on the substantial loss of production in a sample of select crops by the ban of inorganic fertiliser. ..
www.ft.lk
Yea but we are going to be really short of food this year. Water is a 'years away' problem.
You think they banned fertilizer on their own just out of the blue? Had nothing to do with WEF and UN climate conf? Just incompetent leaders.... OK. Well hopefully we don't have that here.Has nothing to do with the ESG scores that tweet was referencing.
Yes, what's going on in Sri Lanka is messed up but it has nothing to do with ESG.
What's going on in Sri Lanka is due to governmental incompetence.
Inorganic fertiliser ban could harm production with major implications | Daily FT
The group of 30 scientists and experts have informed President Gotabaya Rajapaksa on the substantial loss of production in a sample of select crops by the ban of inorganic fertiliser. ..
Not everything is a conspiracy. The Sri Lankan government, ergo country, was suffering financially due to a number of factors, one being they cut taxes which led to a decrease in revenue.
The president switched to organic farming, banning fertilizer, to save 400m+ but did not listen to the scientists of that nation saying this banning of fertilizer would lead to food shortages.
Because of these shortages they had to import rice into their country which more than offset the savings from going organic.
This is incompetence
A nation has to weigh the pros and cons when making a decision such as this. The govt failed its people by not thinking of, or ignoring the potential consequences of such a shift in agriculture.
The UN and WEF talked him into doing that. You think Norway is gutting half their food production for no reason too? The radical environmentalist are in charge and they are getting their wish list passed across the globe right now. The US increased it's payout to farmers, to not farm, in 2021, even though world food production was estimated to decrease and famine to increase... Their are riots all over the world right now. It isn't 1 or 2 countries.
You can ignore reality but not the consequences of reality.
https://ruminatordan.substack.com/p/sri-lanka-the-wef-and-the-curious
The 2018 article talks, for example, about the “Vision 2025” economic policy, hailed by the World Bank as “Sri Lanka’s Path to Prosperity” [10]. In light of the cataclysmic outcome just four years later, some might say that the 2018 article casts the WEF (and others) in a less than glowing light. It might also be viewed as throwing serious doubt - not for the first time - on the regular claims made by various organisations, leaders and ‘experts’, that they not only know the future, but also have the unique ability - and, it would appear, the right - to control it and to decide how everyone must live.
Consequently, it is with some interest that we note the following: The 2018 article was accessible on the WEF website as recently as a few days ago. Indeed, several people linked to it in tweets contrasting its utopian promises with the current disaster. But then, mysteriously, at some point in the last couple of days or so, the article vanished. Fortunately, those wishing to read it can currently still do so on other websites [11]. But, on the WEF’s own website, the article has simply… disappeared [12].
You also cannot conpare a country like Sri Lanka to the US. It's the same as when conservatives talk about Venezuela.
Our economy is isn't built on a singular commodity.
As for the riots, the world is in a recession soon to be depression. This has nothing to do with environmentalists or at least not the extent you're portraying.
A majority of the issues we're facing can be traced back to the pandemic.
See.... This thinking is why we won't stop doing this nonsense. People will blame covid and blame Putin and they'll keep killing carbon based fuels. We aren't at a place to replace carbon yet. Period! High minded ideals will get people killed with starvation and disease to follow. Not sure why we would reduce our food production at the same exact time as the UN projected an increase in famine. It's almost like all they are looking at is "environmentalism" and not actual peoples lives.
Because Neptune is so damn irrelevant, it is kind of sad that experienced scientists spend any time studying it. What are they thinking?
John Yarmuth, boy genius who thinks the government prints Monopoly money, declares we are all going to die!! Yup.
UK shatters record for its hottest day ever; London fire service declares 'major incident'
Britain recorded its hottest-ever day Tuesday, with temperatures hitting a high of 40.3 degrees Celsius (104.5 degrees Fahrenheit) in south England.
Ever is a lie. Its the hottest in modern records. They used to grow grapes in England to the point the French were afraid they would hurt their wine industry. Tree rind data shows there were hotter eras than today.UK shatters record for its hottest day ever; London fire service declares 'major incident'
Britain recorded its hottest-ever day Tuesday, with temperatures hitting a high of 40.3 degrees Celsius (104.5 degrees Fahrenheit) in south England.www.cnbc.com
But those people weren't acclimated to AC and modern insulation construction. They would of been more adjusted to extreme temps. Modern humans are so used to our created environments that any extremes throws us for a loop.
When the weather is much colder than anticipated, we are reminded that weather is different than climate. But, when the weather is hotter than anticipated, we are reminded about climate change and how we need to combat it with narrowly prescribed methods at the expense of reason.
30 million years ago Ricky would have been eaten by a crocodile in Canada. Have a nice day.
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Pretty much sums up what anyone who uses logic and facts rather than emotion and hyperbole feel. My mom started this conversation the other day so I checked the average high temp by year for the last 100 years or so. Pretty much stopped the argument in it's tracks. My brother said "Well that's only Lexington" but when I asked him how it's called Global warming and not Everywhere in the World except Lexington Warming he didn't have an answer either.
Trash data that is no better or no more meaningful tha
This chart is about as accurate as Al Gore‘s claim that the east coast would be under water by the year 2000, or that we only have 90 days to fix it or we are doomed and will do by 2025 or many of the other absolutely pathetic attempts to scare people into buying in on a complete lie so they can control that much more of your lives. We have many hundreds of years of oil left, our global temp fluctuates over centuries which is absolutely proven so any 100 year period is obsolete in terms of history, and people like you will continue to try to be the death of the US but hopefully people have caught on and will put you back where you belong as the outcasts that are looled at as the lunatics you are. The media will flip flop at some point but it can’t be soon enough, enough with the Karens and Kens and enough with the overreaction to such bullshit like this.
The abandonment of nuc plants had little or nothing to do with the green movement. I was a contracting officer at TVA during the 80s when they had the most aggressive nuclear power plan construction program in the nation. However the regulatory changes that followed in the 80s after the Three Mile Island accident radically changed the cost of construction. Units that had original cost estimates in the $700-$800 Million range leaped to over $2 Billion in some cases. As a result TVA like other utilities deferred, suspended construction and later cancelled construction of several units as the cost of construction amortized over the life expectancy of the plant was not competitive with other forms of power production.
There is new technology that is being backed financially by Bill Gates that would result in more simpler construction, safer plants at lower costs. However new plant construction requires raising utility rates and electrical utilities are reluctant to do that when they can convert coal-fire plants to nat gas at a fraction of the cost, which is cheap and abundant, and keep on going.
Liberals who refuse the nuclear alternative don’t really believe carbon emissions are imminently dangerous. The liberal politicians give lip service to nuclear energy, but have done nothing to make such energy more accessible to communities in this country. Meanwhile, the environmental damage of wind and sun power is overlooked. These policies are the policies of power brokers lining their own pockets and not the policies of people truly concerned about climate change. The lack of seriousness speaks volumes about the hollowness of their cries for fear.
Rough summation of previous 5 pages:
I don't give a shit how hot it gets, I want my, I want my SUV (and liberals are stupid!!)
Same song, different verse with the gun arguments. No amount of studies or heat waves, or incredibly intense storms, floods or wild fires are going to convince the skeptics otherwise, their minds are made up, and so circumstances don't matter.
(I do support nuclear, by the way, Three Mile Island was way overblown, and was a big mistake for this country to give up on new plants back then, maybe the newer technology will prove to be a game changer, I hope so)
I don't give a shit how hot it gets, I want my, I want my SUV (and liberals are stupid!!)
Same song, different verse with the gun arguments. No amount of studies or heat waves, or incredibly intense storms, floods or wild fires are going to convince the skeptics otherwise, their minds are made up, and so circumstances don't matter.
(I do support nuclear, by the way, Three Mile Island was way overblown, and was a big mistake for this country to give up on new plants back then, maybe the newer technology will prove to be a game changer, I hope so)
You left Neptune out of your “rough summation.” WTF did you read?
The world has seen heat waves, intense storms (even the ever popular incredibly intense ones too), floods and wild fires forever. The earths temperature fluctuates as well and it's been documented that the range is significant. Should we move away from oil? Sure we should, because there is a finite amount available so let's find more sustainable options. But to say it's impending doom if we don't do it in an administrations 4 years is ridiculous. There has to be balance and it has to be reasonable. I am neither Republican nor Democrat because I don't want to be shoe horned into either party, so it has no political connection at all.
But, “We’re all going to die,” House Budget Committee Chairman John Yarmuth, D-Ky., told reporters when asked about the consequences of Congress failing to act.
Just wanted to reemphasize that Monopoly John thinks Congress can stop us from dying. That is a man who believes in gubmint!!!
Just wanted to reemphasize that Monopoly John thinks Congress can stop us from dying. That is a man who believes in gubmint!!!
I'm acquaintances with some of Yarmuth's family members. They're lovely people, but they don't exactly live a low carbon footprint lifestyle. lol
No doubt. Golf in Ireland. Spas on the west coast. We gonna die!
Some warming is to be expected coming out of an ice age. Have you heard of the little ice age?
There is no consensus on when the Little Ice Age began,[14][15] but a series of events before the known climatic minima has often been referenced. In the 13th century, pack ice began advancing southwards in the North Atlantic, as did glaciers in Greenland. Anecdotal evidence suggests expanding glaciers almost worldwide. Based on radiocarbon dating of roughly 150 samples of dead plant material with roots intact that were collected from beneath ice caps on Baffin Island and Iceland, Miller et al. (2012)[7] state that cold summers and ice growth began abruptly between 1275 and 1300, followed by "a substantial intensification" from 1430 to 1455.[7]
In contrast, a climate reconstruction based on glacial length[16][17] shows no great variation from 1600 to 1850 but a strong retreat thereafter.
Therefore, any of several dates ranging over 400 years may indicate the beginning of the Little Ice Age:
- 1250 for when Atlantic pack ice began to grow, a cold period that was possibly triggered or enhanced by the massive eruption of Samalas volcano in 1257[18] and the associated volcanic winter.
- 1275 to 1300 for when the radiocarbon dating of plants shows that they were killed by glaciation
- 1300 for when warm summers stopped being dependable in Northern Europe
- 1315 for when rains and the Great Famine of 1315–1317 occurred
- 1560 to 1630 for when the worldwide glacial expansion, known as the Grindelwald Fluctuation,[19] began
- 1650 for when the first climatic minimum occurred[clarification needed]
The 6th report of the IPCC describes the coldest period in the last millennium as:[23]
For sure. The west is screwed. Way too many people living in places like Denver, Phoenix, SLC, Vegas and LA. Not sustainable in the long term. Part of the problem is so much water is used for lawns and non essential crops such as alfalfa (Utah) and almonds in California. T Boone Pickens (made his fortune in oil and has donated tens of millions to Oklahoma State. He is kinda like the Phil Knight of OSU) saw this years ago and bought up a ton of water rights in Texas. I believe he owns more water than any other individual
Maybe we shouldn't be cutting food production and stopping pipelines then? NO? Right... lets blame climate change when political decisions get people dead in the coming years. That is a very government thing to do.
Let's assume that we posters on this thread are in a bus together driving up a mountain. Half of us (group A) have what we believe to be correct information that the bus's brakes will go out on the way down. We're not sure if the brakes going out will kill us, but there's a damn good chance that it will at least put us in a terrible accident and possibly lead to death. The other half of us (group B) think that group A consists of a bunch of poosays and calls them all the way up the mountain.
Now suppose there is a service station at the top of the mountain with 4 mechanics up there. Three of them say "yep, the brakes will definitely fail". The fourth one says, "well, they might fail, but maybe not, and perhaps it will actually be more fun to go down the mountain with crappy breaks. Group A says, "holy crap, we need new brakes, how much is it?", to which the mechanics say $25 per person in the van. The Group B guys say "f no, besides that one mechanic said it might not be that big of a deal". Group A has more than enough money between the lot of them to pay for the brakes. Group A thinks about it for a little, rejects the mechanics offer, and then gets back on the bus with Group B and starts heading down the mountain with the shitty brakes bitching to Group B that thanks to their inaction, we're all going to die.
And that's my issue with the climate people. I feel if they really believed we were completely screwed, they'd just say "f it, we'll fund it ourselves" and start building scores of carbon sequestration and carbon capture plants. Instead, they do nothing but get back on the bus and go down the hill. But would you really do that if you knew you were going to crash?
Now suppose there is a service station at the top of the mountain with 4 mechanics up there. Three of them say "yep, the brakes will definitely fail". The fourth one says, "well, they might fail, but maybe not, and perhaps it will actually be more fun to go down the mountain with crappy breaks. Group A says, "holy crap, we need new brakes, how much is it?", to which the mechanics say $25 per person in the van. The Group B guys say "f no, besides that one mechanic said it might not be that big of a deal". Group A has more than enough money between the lot of them to pay for the brakes. Group A thinks about it for a little, rejects the mechanics offer, and then gets back on the bus with Group B and starts heading down the mountain with the shitty brakes bitching to Group B that thanks to their inaction, we're all going to die.
And that's my issue with the climate people. I feel if they really believed we were completely screwed, they'd just say "f it, we'll fund it ourselves" and start building scores of carbon sequestration and carbon capture plants. Instead, they do nothing but get back on the bus and go down the hill. But would you really do that if you knew you were going to crash?
It's like with an interview I watched. Several college students that thought the world could end by 2030 and were willing to not travel by plane... for 2 years. You see, they were in college and couldn't afford to travel. But they wanted to be able to travel once they got jobs and could afford to. It's litter ali rules that make you feel good about yourself.
