Max is still Max, but Lando Norris is right on his heels. That start doomed him, otherwise he gets the win. He (Norris) is a ridiculously talented driver, and well might cut the "Era of Max" short.
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Just looked like aggressive driving from both of them to me, with Max misjudging things at the end and causing the collision. Not sure I saw anything I’d call childish.
You're correct. Verstappen looked like a clown today.
It will be interesting when Honda stops supplying their engines next year and RB switches to Ford power.
He kept reacting laterally in the braking zone, everytime Norris chose a line (with DNS no less) which is a big no no.
The racing stewards were even more at fault. It was clear that things were escalating to a stupid degree, and yet they refused to act quickly, when it might have mattered.
The racing stewards were even more at fault. It was clear that things were escalating to a stupid degree, and yet they refused to act quickly, when it might have mattered.
I'll add this. I do like the DRS that F1 has. Get within one second of the guy in front of you and you get like a 15 HP push (or less drag) which closes things up. That's where Norris had Verstappen beat today until Max went Mad on him.
The FIA dropped the no moving under braking rule before the start of the 2017 season because they wanted to give drivers more freedom to battle.
You can move in the braking zone as long as you’re not driving erratically or making moves that are excessive, which Max’s move yesterday wasn’t.
He squeezed Norris to the side, which while aggressive, is pretty common and to be expected. Frankly it’s not that different than Norris squeezing Max into the grass at the start of the Spanish Grand Prix last weekend.
The issue is Max simply misjudged it and they collided, so the stewards gave him a penalty for it. But this was just a case of two guys racing very aggressively and neither wanting to give an inch.
Again, I just don’t see anything that could be called childish.
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It seems you're correct. I was mistaken about that rule.
Which begs the question; why did the penalize Max 10 seconds?
Which begs the question; why did the penalize Max 10 seconds?
So difficult to pass because the chasses are so long & wide that there's no reasonable radius room on turns. Ridiculous. Can't wait till they spec them another 3' long & foot wider.
Saw something the other day that F1 cars are like a $135M to build whereas Indy's are like $7M.
Saw something the other day that F1 cars are like a $135M to build whereas Indy's are like $7M.
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While he may be allowed to move a bit, Max still caused the collision. Norris was also far enough alongside that he was entitled to a car’s width of space. Verstapppen crowded Norris a bit too much and was therefore more at fault.
I don’t have any issue with the penalty; Max was more at fault for the collision so he deserved it. I was more reacting to how the incident overall was being characterized. It looked like good hard racing to me, and sometimes drivers misjudge things and cause collisions when they’re racing that hard.
In my opinion, I didn't see anything that egregious but that’s just me. I thoroughly enjoyed the battle and hope this continues over the rest of the season.
Max aside, It really did make me LOL, watching George Russell just cruise on by that clown show between those two, get the win, ala Tortoise/Hare. Hahaha
One thing is for sure, if you're an F1 fan: The British GP is now appointment television. LOL
You got that right. I can’t wait for the race.
Hopefully Norris can continue to take the fight to Verstappen for the rest of the season. I’d be happy if Norris and McLaren could come back and win the title this year. I wouldn’t say that I’m a huge fan of any specific team, but I do like to see McLaren do well. If someone mentions Formula 1, the first image that pops into my mind is always of Ayrton Senna in a McLaren with Marlboro livery. Always really liked Mika Häkkinen too.
However, one thing I’m not looking forward to is the media coverage of this. The British pundits can be so partisan that it gets tiresome at times. I think Martin Brundle does a really good job calling things impartially, but some of the other pundits try my patience at times during the pre- and post-race coverage. My personal opinion is that the media reaction to this weekend’s collision was overblown simply because of the drivers involved. Hopefully they prove me wrong though and do a better job of calling things down the middle than they have in the past.
I have no problem with that. I probably overreacted in the heat of the moment.
To quote the father in Dirty Dancing LOL, "When I'm wrong, I SAY I'm wrong." Hahaha
George Russell is a helluva driver. I just don't think Mercedes has their stuff dialed in. And yet, even w/o that, GR is right there, time and time again. I know Hamilton doesn't like it, but GR is D1 for Mercedes.
It will be interesting to see how Merc and GR play out next season with the new set ups. GR will be the MAIN Man with Hamilton moving over to Ferrari.
Think of it as Formula 1 being the Majors in baseball.
F2 and F3 are the minor leagues. (different cars/setups, easier to drive etc. )
I still don’t see the big issue with the collision. Max did not turn nor swerve into Lando, he simply drifted left. Lando could also have backed off. Not to mention that Lando had thrown track limits to the wind in the previous few laps and was ultimately penalized 5 seconds.
I like Max. He is not going to hand anyone anything. A reporter this week said Max, you could have given up the position, you’re leading the championship. Max’s response? Sure, and I could also stay home. I’m here to win, not finish P2.
I think as fans, what happened Sunday is exactly what we want. 2 guys who won’t give an inch to each other.
I like Max. He is not going to hand anyone anything. A reporter this week said Max, you could have given up the position, you’re leading the championship. Max’s response? Sure, and I could also stay home. I’m here to win, not finish P2.
I think as fans, what happened Sunday is exactly what we want. 2 guys who won’t give an inch to each other.
You're right about that. Formula 1 could use a little NASCAResque grudge racing. MIght toughen up those fragile nancies...
Yeah, one of the things I do like about NASCAR is the contact. The problem is if you breathe the wrong way on an F1 car it’s retired. Wish they could be a little more durable.
Yep. A lot of the guys you see in F1 have won series champs in those series.
There’s also Formula E which is fully electric cars.
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I watched a couple of races. It seemed on the surface to be as much about managing battery power as it was about driving the car. Not my thing.
If I wanted to watch battery power being managed I’d watch the top right of my phone while scrolling Reddit porn.
I'd like to see Norris in the RB1 car. It's downforce to drag ratio is apparently off the charts. (The prevailing opinion is that RB designed a revolutionary "floor" for the car, that gives it absurd downforce, w/o relying too heavily on the wings (drag))
Not to say Max isn't a great driver, he is. His fellow drivers even say that he's able to reproduce lines, with minimal mistakes, that most everyone else would struggle with. And when you put him in, what is probably the most dominant car in F1 history, well, you see the results.
Still, I'm not sure that, pound for pound, Norris isn't just as good, and maybe better.
I'm hoping for a McLaren win this weekend. (I'm NOT a Max hater, I just would like to see some real competitive drama in the last half of the season)
Not to say Max isn't a great driver, he is. His fellow drivers even say that he's able to reproduce lines, with minimal mistakes, that most everyone else would struggle with. And when you put him in, what is probably the most dominant car in F1 history, well, you see the results.
Still, I'm not sure that, pound for pound, Norris isn't just as good, and maybe better.
I'm hoping for a McLaren win this weekend. (I'm NOT a Max hater, I just would like to see some real competitive drama in the last half of the season)
Same here. It was also nice to see that several of the other drivers are coming out and saying they didn’t see any issues with Verstappen’s driving and they thought this was being overblown. Norris has also backtracked and said he no longer thinks Max should apologize.
It was good, hard racing and I hope we get more of that this weekend.
I get it. I get it!
Let's all pile on the Clown, for making a hasty post. Beat that dead horse into the ****ing dust. LOL
Let's all pile on the Clown, for making a hasty post. Beat that dead horse into the ****ing dust. LOL
Sorry, the overblown thing wasn’t directed towards you. More towards some of the media coverage. The bias that a lot of the British pundits have towards British drivers has always annoyed me a little bit.
I was laughing at my own expense. didn't bother me at all.
I’d need to see more from Norris before I would put him in Verstappen’s league, but I agree that he’s shown enough flashes that it’s not outlandish to think he might be that good.
If you had asked me in 2019 which of the newer generation of drivers (e.g., Albon, Gasly, Leclerc, Norris, Russell) would turn out to be the best, I would’ve have thought it would be Leclerc for sure. Now, I’d have to say I think it’s Norris and, thus far, I think he’s shown levels of consistency, focus, and determination well above his peers. Especially the past couple of seasons.
I remember one thing that caught my attention was Norris’ comments when McLaren dumped Ricciardo. Norris was pretty blunt and matter of fact about it and said he didn’t feel sorry for him. I was really surprised by that given what we had seen of Norris’ personality to that point. I realize as a fan I’m just reading tea leaves here and could be wrong, but that seemed to indicate a seriousness to Norris that we hadn’t really seen before.
Early on, it always seemed a bit like Norris was just happy to be in F1 and was the fun loving guy on the grid, but I think he’s showing everyone that there is a very serious and determined side to him as well. Which is probably more important when it comes to being great. Lots of guys have talent, but they don’t always have the obsessive drive and focus to match that.
I think we may be seeing that with Norris. Even if you look at the crash with Verstappen, Norris could’ve have prevented that by moving onto the curb or backing out. We’ve seen that same squeeze move countless times at T3 in Austria (e.g., Vettel on Hamilton, Sainz on Verstappen) and the squeezed driver always moved to the curb and a collision was avoided.
But Norris was entitled to that space and he didn’t flinch. Even though it ended his race, long-term, I think Norris made the right move by holding his ground and in doing so sent a strong message. I’ve really come to appreciate Verstappen’s driving over the past few years, but I’ll probably be rooting for Norris over the rest of the season. I really hope Norris is able to take the title fight down to the wire.
Seeing Perez’s results is enough to convince me that Max is comfortably the best driver on the track.
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