Forde Trolling Again.

[2blue4u]

You sir win the stupid award. And that is saying a lot when you read through this thread.

You don't agree with what Cal says, that's fine, you don't have to. That doesn't make you correct though. If you refer to my earlier post I said "people like Forde" so yes that does include everyone who holds the same opinion as him and if Heather Cox does then it refers to her as well.

Losing to Wisconsin sucked, we all know that. None of us here truly believe that sending 8 players to the draft is more important that a national championship. If you talk to Cal privately I would be willing to wager that he would agree that national championships are the goal.

What you idiots are confusing is that Cal isn't saying these things to convince us, he is selling the program to impressionable kids. He knows that if he helps them reach their dream they will help us win championships.

Stop mixing the two issues. His speal has nothing to do with trying to make us feel better about losing i.e -putting lipstick on a pig. It has everything to do with getting kids into the program.

If you feel it was stupid then you clearly don't appreciate the man. You also take your fandom way too seriously when you are affronted by something the coach says regarding the direction the school is taking.

Sir, with all due respect, you should never call anyone stupid.

I'm not mixing the 2 issues. Cal is. Why? B/c he just lost a chance to win a NC with one of the best college BB teams ever assembled, and despite getting the best players year in and year out, has only 1 NC to show for it. That's why. He's selling this BS not me.

Let me ask you this smart guy, why does Cal feel the need to manipulate impressionable young kids when all he has to do is ask the question, "Did ya'll watch the draft last night?", drop the mic, and walk away?

 

[Aike]

Cal wants to win championships. Zig Ziglar said, "help enough other people get what they want, and you will get what you want."

By focusing on helping players get what they want (getting to the NBA), Cal gets what he wants - lots of wins, Final Fours, and consistent championship contention.

How does Cal help players get to the league? By coaching them to sacrifice themselves for the team concept from October to April. NBA guys love that, by the way. Play team ball all season and Coach Cal will promote you individually like crazy.

It's one big circle - Cal is players first, players are team first, team gets victories, Cal gets what he wants.

Oh by the way...other teams are trying to win too, and nobody wins every game. Sorry about that. I realize that's hard to wrap your head around or for many to come to grips with emotionally.

 

[kybassfan]

Forde is a prick, but most of this article was accurate. Cal values the future success of his players more than he values UK's accomplishments. He says so directly. Whether people like that approach or dislike it, that is Cal. Personally, I don't like it and don't really care if 1000 of you jump on me for the statement. I will state again, people tend to chase the goals they find most important. Cal clearly values player success above program success. That is his stated goal. He has said so time after time. I'm not sure why so many of you ignore the accuracies in this particular article other than the fact that it puts Cal in somewhat of a negative light. We have more and more Cal worshippers and fewer UK first fans. He is leaving one day and the flash in a pan player days will be over. We won 7 NC's without his approach and we'll be fine when he is gone. It's all about the program not the player. How about building a team rather than a pipeline.

Your are using Forde's literary bowel movement to substantiate your point. You selectively ignore comments like the following:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/7768870/calipari-title-now-wants-undefeated-season

NEW ORLEANS -- The questions will stop now about whether John Calipari can win the final game, the national championship.

So what's next for him?

"Before I leave coaching, I would like to coach an undefeated team," Calipari told ESPN after Monday night's 67-59 national championship victory over Kansas at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome.

"I would like to coach an undefeated team before I'm done with this. . . "

What's the point in having an undefeated team if your goal is solely to put kids before the program? What's the point in building an undefeated team? Winning would be simply a benign side effect of putting kids in the league right? But then he damn near succeeded in building just that. An undefeated team.

I suggest you confront Calipari and tell him he has has no regard for KY. Make sure Poythress is around. I'm guessing it'll take someone pretty stout to pull Cal off you. That's assuming Poythress don't get to you first.

Sorry for using quote twice in the same thread. Some days it's tough to tell some cats fans from the rival fans when they're both trashing the program.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

It's not hard to tell that you are not a UK fan, come clean and admit it instead of pretending. lol

He isn't hiding it. He's a KU fan.

 

[brianpoe]

Your are using Forde's literary bowel movement to substantiate your point. You selectively ignore comments like the following:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/7768870/calipari-title-now-wants-undefeated-season

NEW ORLEANS -- The questions will stop now about whether John Calipari can win the final game, the national championship.

So what's next for him?

"Before I leave coaching, I would like to coach an undefeated team," Calipari told ESPN after Monday night's 67-59 national championship victory over Kansas at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome.

"I would like to coach an undefeated team before I'm done with this. . . "

What's the point in having an undefeated team if your goal is solely to put kids before the program? What's the point in building an undefeated team? Winning would be simply a benign side effect of putting kids in the league right? But then he damn near succeeded in building just that. An undefeated team.

I suggest you confront Calipari and tell him he has has no regard for KY. Make sure Poythress is around. I'm guessing it'll take someone pretty stout to pull Cal off you. That's assuming Poythress don't get to you first.

Sorry for using quote twice in the same thread. Some days it's tough to tell some cats fans from the rival fans when they're both trashing the program.

 

[loublue22]

One day Cal will leave, and some part of me hopes we get Travis Ford or some Crean-like disaster so those who don't understand and respect what Cal is doing here can truly see what idiots they are.

 

[2blue4u]

Cal is the best coach for the UK job. No one can do it better than he is doing/has done...but this doesn't mean he hasn't made mistakes along the way. This statement is one of those mistakes. It certainly isn't some brilliant marketing scheme he came up with, like some of you would have us believe.

 

[kybassfan]

Cal is the best coach for the UK job. No one can do it better than he is doing/has done...but this doesn't mean he hasn't made mistakes along the way. This statement is one of those mistakes. It certainly isn't some brilliant marketing scheme he came up with, like some of you would have us believe.

Really? Don't think he was recruiting fans with that comment. You have any examples of recruits whining about it?

 

[brianpoe]

Cal is the best coach for the UK job. No one can do it better than he is doing/has done...but this doesn't mean he hasn't made mistakes along the way. This statement is one of those mistakes. It certainly isn't some brilliant marketing scheme he came up with, like some of you would have us believe.

What is the mistake?

 

[2blue4u]

Giving the impression that all his/our collegiate BB program really is, is a pipeline to the NBA. And as long as his goal of getting players to the NBA is met, he's successful and nothing else really matters.

Now, is our program that much different than Duke or KU in this regard? No. But there is a difference. What do you think it is?

 

[Sithlyone]

Sir, with all due respect, you should never call anyone stupid.

I'm not mixing the 2 issues. Cal is. Why? B/c he just lost a chance to win a NC with one of the best college BB teams ever assembled, and despite getting the best players year in and year out, has only 1 NC to show for it. That's why. He's selling this BS not me.

Let me ask you this smart guy, why does Cal feel the need to manipulate impressionable young kids when all he has to do is ask the question, "Did ya'll watch the draft last night?", drop the mic, and walk away?

I never called you stupid. I said you won the Stupid award. Reading comprehension. You may think it means the same, but that is your problem. And yes you are mixing the two issues. One has nothing to do with the other. Losing to Wisconsin was not a result of Cals desire to get these kids drafted. We ran into the perfect team to beat us.

We went 38-1, Cal's philosophy got us that far. If you are laying the blame of that one loss on his philosophy the you must credit those 38 straight victories to it as well.

I'm tired of this discussion, I really can't believe there are so many irrational "fans" out there that don't understand that Cal says these thing to get kids attention. And truthfully I don't understand what the big deal is. It's not like the two goals are opposed.

My guess is that many in this thread lost a lot of money gambling on the tourney and you have to blame someone other than yourself.

 

[2blue4u]

I never called you stupid. I said you won the Stupid award.

You lack the qualifications to issue such an award. How's that? With all due respect, of course.

 

[Sithlyone]

You lack the qualifications to issue such an award. How's that? With all due respect, of course.

Perhaps...

 

[2blue4u]

At least you have a sense of humor.

 

[brianpoe]

Giving the impression that all his/our collegiate BB program really is, is a pipeline to the NBA. And as long as his goal of getting players to the NBA is met, he's successful and nothing else really matters.

Now, is our program that much different than Duke or KU in this regard? No. But there is a difference. What do you think it is?

Is college not a pipeline to a career? Do universities not tout how many successful alumnus they have?

Your point doesn't hold up.

The kids we recruit have dreams of going pro, Cal supports that.

Cal also says he wants undefeated seasons and the kids to sacrifice for each other and the team. But hey forget that stuff.

You want Cal to say we only want you kids to win and pad our trophy case and my record? That is selfish.

 

[2blue4u]

Poe, I love how you put words in my mouth. I'm not sure I'm even needed for this discussion actually.

Here's the point I'm making, and please don't twist my words around to change it's meaning.

Cal shouldn't have to announce to the world his program's mission statement. Somethings are better left unsaid. Especially when the results speak for themselves. I actually think he knows this, but his insecurity about not winning NC's won't allow him to put a lid on it He just has to remind everyone that," Hey. I'm really, really killing it in the only area I give a shit about it. So I'm successful." And, we as fans, shouldn't blindly accept these kinds of statements under the guise of a great marketing campaign, b/c they're not.

You see, this is the difference between Cal and Coach K. Their goals are the same, at least now they are, but one feels the need to justify these goals in some misguided "marketing" statement. The other just coaches and recruits as if these things are understood and require no explanation. Which one do you feel is the better approach?

Don't call me Duke fan either. I asked nicely.

 

[Poetax]

Poe, I love how you put words in my mouth. I'm not sure I'm even needed for this discussion actually.

Here's the point I'm making, and please don't twist my words around to change it's meaning.

Cal shouldn't have to announce to the world his program's mission statement. Somethings are better left unsaid. Especially when the results speak for themselves. I actually think he knows this, but his insecurity about not winning NC's won't allow him to put a lid on it He just has to remind everyone that," Hey. I'm really, really killing it in the only area I give a shit about it. So I'm successful." And, we as fans, shouldn't blindly accept this kinds of statements under the guise of a great marketing campaign, b/c they're not.

You see, this is the difference between Cal and Coach K. Their goals are the same, at least now they are, but one feels the need to justify this goals in some misguided "marketing" statement. The other just coaches and recruits as if this things are understood and require no explanation. Which one do you feel is the better approach?

Don't call me Duke fan either. I asked nicely.

I'll ask, what fan are you? With your whining about Cal I take it that you are not KY blue.

 

[2blue4u]

I'll ask, what fan are you? With your whining about Cal I take it that you are not KY blue.

Tax, you know what blue I root for. It's not even about that. I'm just calling a spade a spade.

 

[brianpoe]

Poe, I love how you put words in my mouth. I'm not sure I'm even needed for this discussion actually.

Here's the point I'm making, and please don't twist my words around to change it's meaning.

Cal shouldn't have to announce to the world his program's mission statement. Somethings are better left unsaid. Especially when the results speak for themselves. I actually think he knows this, but his insecurity about not winning NC's won't allow him to put a lid on it He just has to remind everyone that," Hey. I'm really, really killing it in the only area I give a shit about it. So I'm successful." And, we as fans, shouldn't blindly accept this kinds of statements under the guise of a great marketing campaign, b/c they're not.

You see, this is the difference between Cal and Coach K. Their goals are the same, at least now they are, but one feels the need to justify this goals in some misguided "marketing" statement. The other just coaches and recruits as if this things are understood and require no explanation. Which one do you feel is the better approach?

Don't call me Duke fan either. I asked nicely.

I guess that is your opinion, but I think it is not well conceived. He has won a championship, just a couple of years ago.

The many has had tremendous on court success. We only lost ONE game this year.

You think he is misguided but his results are far superior than anyone in the game today, sans K.

We shouldn't accept the man's statements regarding his own values?

He is obviously much more successful at his craft than you are. You have never performed at his level at his profession. You have yet to show any credentials to even judge the man.

You have no grounds to say the man is misguided.

You have yet to prove how he has tarnished the program.

You have yet to prove how his statements have negatively effected the program.

You have yet to prove how his values have cost us victories.

What you have managed to prove is that you either don't like Cal or need a reason to complain about the last game (the only one we lost).

 

[BengalWACO]

What is a Forde? Is it a proper name for an overpriced American vehicle?

 

[2blue4u]

You have yet to prove how he has tarnished the program.

You have yet to prove how his values have cost us victories.
.

I haven't made those accusations for them to be proven.

Good tomorrow to you.

 

[brianpoe]

"The statement came in an attempt to deflect from that fact and unfortunately, it has put our BB program in a bad light nationally."

Is that not tarnishing the program?


"Giving the impression that all his/our collegiate BB program really is, is a pipeline to the NBA. And as long as his goal of getting players to the NBA is met, he's successful and nothing else really matters."

Is this not effecting our success?


And you talk about putting words into your mouth..

These are the words you put in Cal's mouth..

"Hey. I'm really, really killing it in the only area I give a shit about it. So I'm successful."

Not hypocritical at all are we...?

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

I did explain it, above, but I'll be happy to give you a refresh...

I'll be happy to give you a refresh. UNCHEAT had ONE frickin player drafted last night and that was in the 2nd round at #57. You have no dog in this hunt son. You and your Rock Choke buddy are so jealous of Cal and UK it's eating you both alive. And it's delicious to see the both of you wallow in your envy of UK.

 

[GonzoCat90]

I always say you can tell a lot about your argument by the people who agree with you. If you want to join the KU fan, UNC fan, and Pat Forde, go right ahead.

 

[2blue4u]

"The statement came in an attempt to deflect from that fact and unfortunately, it has put our BB program in a bad light nationally."

Is that not tarnishing the program?


"Giving the impression that all his/our collegiate BB program really is, is a pipeline to the NBA. And as long as his goal of getting players to the NBA is met, he's successful and nothing else really matters."

Is this not effecting our success?


And you talk about putting words into your mouth..

These are the words you put in Cal's mouth..

"Hey. I'm really, really killing it in the only area I give a shit about it. So I'm successful."

Not hypocritical at all are we...?

Man, I got a freakin toothbrush in my mouth and you post this. C'mon, man. So the "good day, sir" was just a comic bit, I guess.

1. Bad light does not equal tarnish. And when your Coach, on national TV, has to defend a statement he made about not caring about winning NC's and the reporters response is something to the effect, "That's good, b/c being a former college athlete myself i couldn't imagine not actually playing for a NC." That's putting your program in a bad light. Not tarnishing, but self-inflicting an unnecessary wound, yes.

2. I think it effects our image more than our success.

3. Unlike you and I were, Cal was not part of our discussion, so paraphrasing Cal's previous statements to make a point is more than acceptable under these circumstances.

 

[brianpoe]

Man, I got a freakin toothbrush in my mouth and you post this. C'mon, man. So the "good day, sir" was just a comic bit, I guess.

1. Bad light does not equal tarnish. And when your Coach, on national TV, has to defend a statement he made about not caring about winning NC's and the reporters response is something to the effect, "That's good, b/c being a former college athlete myself i couldn't imagine not actually playing for a NC." That's putting your program in a bad light. Not tarnishing, but self-inflicting an unnecessary wound, yes.

2. I think it effects our image more than our success.

3. Unlike you and I were, Cal was not part of our discussion, so paraphrasing Cal's previous statements to make a point is more than acceptable under these circumstances.

Lets just agree that you are not a UNC fan, KU fan, UL fan or correct on this and we will take it to bed.


ps. I don't like you busting my balls regarding my ill timed attempt at humor, one can only utilize Gene Wilder at particular moments and I messed it up. No need to add salt to the wound.

 

[EvilMD]

Let's say UK had one of the best electrical engineering schools in the country, we had been named best in the country eight times, and we wanted the best of the best EE students to come here to keep it all going. If that was our primary goal, to keep the smartest kids coming in, we would sell the number of top jobs those previous EE graduates now have, not our goal of being named top school a ninth time. Personally, being named top school a ninth time might mean the world to us, but you attract the brightest minds by selling what's best for them.

 

[SurfCity64]

I'll be happy to give you a refresh. UNCHEAT had ONE frickin player drafted last night and that was in the 2nd round at #57. You have no dog in this hunt son. You and your Rock Choke buddy are so jealous of Cal and UK it's eating you both alive. And it's delicious to see the both of you wallow in your envy of UK.

Good point.
UNC did put only one player in the NBA draft, this year, but also put 2 more shiny NBA championships rings on former Tar Heel players hands in 2015, adding to the unmatched total of NBA championship rings owned by Carolina players and coaches. In a conversation about which program is producing better pro's, I'm sure the irony of your comment escaped you.

As a fan of college basketball, I can freely admit to my admiration of UK's recent success under Calipari, but to confuse that with "envy" is not surprising giving your obvious lack of knowledge regarding the measure of success in the NBA...

 

[Mike-D]

I loved getting Murray. If we are going to play the "I have more talent so my odds of winning are better" game, then we needed him badly.

Oh, so the goal is to recruit the worst team, and build them up now? Who are you trying to kid anyway?

It's not hard to tell that you are not a UK fan, come clean and admit it instead of pretending. lol

Twocoach has been on here crying since the thread about KU's top 5 recruit Cliff Alexander went undrafted. (Cliff was ranked ahead of Karl Towns in the final '14 rivals rankings.). So twocoach's butt is very sore right now.

 

[Mike-D]

Thanks for bringing 20 years of the worst cheating scandal in NCAA history's opinion of our coach.

He said UNCA which I took as UNC-Ashville, which is what makes his point so ridiculous.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I always say you can tell a lot about your argument by the people who agree with you. If you want to join the KU fan, UNC fan, and Pat Forde, go right ahead.

Is it possible to disagree with someone most of the time, but yet now and then find common ground? No need to answer.

 

[EvilMD]

UNC did put only one player in the NBA draft, this year, but also put 2 more shiny NBA championships rings on former Tar Heel players hands in 2015, adding to the unmatched total of NBA championship rings owned by Carolina players and coaches. In a conversation about which program is producing better pro's, I'm sure the irony of your comment escaped you.

So you put dudes who become role players on championship teams like Harrison Barnes (the former number one ranked recruit in high school who went seventh two years later), and try to claim you're producing better pros? I'll give you this argument pre-Cal, but in the last six years you have no argument. That's like us saying Terrence Jones is the reason Houston won 57 games last year.

 

[SurfCity64]

So you put dudes who become role players on championship teams like Harrison Barnes (the former number one ranked recruit in high school who went seventh two years later), and try to claim you're producing better pros? I'll give you this argument pre-Cal, but in the last six years you have no argument. That's like us saying Terrence Jones is the reason Houston won 57 games last year.

I'm pretty sure championship basketball is a team sport and I doubt Danny Green, James Michael Mcadoo and Harrison Barnes are feeling bad about their shiny new NBA Championship rings they earned for their "role"...lol

How many NBA championship rings have former UK players won in the past 6 years vs Tar Heels? I'll let you do the math...

 

[irishcat1965]

I'm pretty sure championship basketball is a team sport and I doubt Danny Green, James Michael Mcadoo and Harrison Barnes are feeling bad about their shiny new NBA Championship rings they earned for their "role"...lol

How many NBA championship rings have former UK players won in the past 6 years vs Tar Heels? I'll let you do the math...

They weren't Tar Heel players. Your "players" went to bogus or nonexistent classes at your cheating cesspool of a college so they were ineligible.

 

[SurfCity64]

They weren't Tar Heel players. Your "players" went to bogus or nonexistent classes at your cheating cesspool of a college so they were ineligible.

lol
Yeah...certainly compared to that high level education Wall and Cousins earned at Kentucky.

 

[bigbluelife]

Don't know about anyone else but makes me wonder just how credible a news organization yahoo is when they have a guy who was run off by courier-journal- basically run off by espn- and is an obvious hater of Cal and UK with an enormous agenda- why he is still employed and writes under their byline?

 

[irishcat1965]

lol
Yeah...certainly compared to that high level education Wall and Cousins earned at Kentucky.

The difference is they actually went to legit classes. UNC basketball players either didn't go to class or went to bogus African studies classes etc which are being investigated by the NCAA. UNC players were eligible only because UNC made them eligible through cheating.

 

[KopiKat]

They weren't Tar Heel players. Your "players" went to bogus or nonexistent classes at your cheating cesspool of a college so they were ineligible.

lol
Yeah...certainly compared to that high level education Wall and Cousins earned at Kentucky.

At least you agreed with the part about unc being a "cheating cesspool of a college." And I agree with your comparison - sans the sarcasm - welcome to Rafters.

 

[brianpoe]

lol
Yeah...certainly compared to that high level education Wall and Cousins earned at Kentucky.

Why Wall and Cousins? Can you substantiate this accusation?

Do you have proof they took any paper classes?

Do you have proof their work was plagiarized or completed by a staffer?

Do you have proof a non-professor graded their coursework?

Do you have proof that other athletes have come out and complained about UK cheating so they could stay eligible?

Do you have actual transcripts proving that these kids would not have been eligible without cheating?

Do you have proof of former athletes suing over their lack of education they received at UK?

Do you have proof that they made the honor roll without ever attending a class and failing 3 classes the semester prior?

Do you have proof of professors and admin writing books regarding blatant cheating at UK?

Do you have proof UK has spent millions on a PR campaign to help ease the pain of obvious cheating for over 20 years?

Do you have proof that UK is on accreditation probation?

Do you have proof that the NCAA has charged UK with blatant lack of institutional control regarding academics?


Wall and Cousins will be much more comfortable submitting their transcripts than any bball Tarheel over the past 20 years...

 

[kybassfan]

lol
Yeah...certainly compared to that high level education Wall and Cousins earned at Kentucky.

http://www.wildcatworld.com/2010/05/16/john-wall-scores-a-3-5-gpa-for-the-spring-semester/

Wall was almost certainly brighter than any poster with a surf city handle. He was actually quite a good student with a 4.0 GPA in summer term. I recall that he had something for a reputation of taking his instructors to task when when he didn't agree with aspects of whatever subject. That may be a rather novel concept to a fan of an academically bankrupt institution like UNC. Have actually go to class to argue with the instructor. Not to worry, I realize UNC pseudo-student athletes had little opportunity to argue, so not really a fair comparison.

Granted he left school, but rumor has it he makes a comfortable living bouncing a ball. Would you have been stupid enough to stay in school in his shoes?

Now granted, the team GPA could have been better that year. That has improved since, even while taking real classes.