Forde Trolling Again.

[MdWIldcat55]

He's a loser for calling out Cal on his BS? Eh, OK. He substantiated it by pointing out the specific examples of statements that Cal has made about the NBA Draft status of his players being more important to him than team results and points out the ridiculous notion that Cal in some way accomplished something that these players wouldn't have accomplished if they had gone somewhere else.

Willie Cauley-Stein says hello. The single smartest move of his life was signing on with John Calipari. The single luckiest event of his life was that Bill Self was too stupid to see the talent of a guy right in his backyard. If you believe it made no difference for Cauley-Stein whether he played at Kentucky or Kansas, you are stupid even for a Jayhawk.

 

[Sithlyone]

You're getting off point. I said he opens himself up to criticism and it has, not that he should care as long as it works. I didn't say he should change it.

No, I was on point. If you or anyone else criticizes him for his recruiting pitch you show yourself to be ignorant of what he is doing here. I never said you were the one criticizing him, only that we shouldn't no matter what he says. If you took it that way I can't help you.

The old statement "Actions speak louder than words" should be applied to Cal's time here. He has proved to all of us that he does care and that we should never question his "antics" and just allow the man to work.

 

[Sithlyone]

Amen. His bizarre statements just give pricks like Forde ammo.

Who?

 

[UKWildcats#8]

When Cal makes statements like he did about the draft a couple years ago was the greatest night in UK bb history and his number one goal was not to win a title, but to have 8 players drafted, he opens himself up to criticism and deservedly so. I realize what he is doing, but in the eyes of the average fan, it makes him look bad.

You are right. The average dumb fan won't get the marketing strategy, and I'm fine with that. I do not like stupid people, but they are what they are.

 

[mrschwump]

Who?

Calipari.

 

[Sithlyone]

Calipari.

Nevermind...

 

[Poetax]

Ask yourself this: What can an aging, bitter, modestly intelligent scribbler working not for ESPN or Sports Illustrated or even one of the esteemed remaining newspapers but for YAHOO, writing about college basketball in late June do to make anyone alive pay any attention to his sad work product?

Correct, my friend. Attack Kentucky. He's a loser for writing it. But you are a loser if you pay attention to it.

Turds are everywhere, he is just one who has access to the media. He's a Loser, remember Cal didn't invite him to a party nor recommended him for a job once. Whiner.

 

[SurfCity64]

Obviously, Pat's wit is too much for some of you. His point is spot on...Anthony Davis, John Wall and KAT were projected top NBA picks when they were juniors in high school and would have been drafted the same had they played at UNCA or UK. With the exception of a few scrubs, Harrel..., it's a myth that playing for Cal at UK "makes a better pro". Pat is just pointing out what the entire NBA already knows.

 

[Poetax]

Obviously, Pat's wit is too much for some of you. His point is spot on...Anthony Davis, John Wall and KAT were projected top NBA picks when they were juniors in high school and would have been drafted the same had they played at UNCA or UK. With the exception of a few scrubs, Harrel..., it's a myth that playing for Cal at UK "makes a better pro". Pat is just pointing out what the entire NBA already knows.

Maybe his comedy level is off.

 

[Blueisbest]

If Pat Forde can pull his head out of Pitino's azz for just a second, he can kiss mine.

 

[Chuckinden]

No, I was on point. If you or anyone else criticizes him for his recruiting pitch you show yourself to be ignorant of what he is doing here. I never said you were the one criticizing him, only that we shouldn't no matter what he says. If you took it that way I can't help you.

The old statement "Actions speak louder than words" should be applied to Cal's time here. He has proved to all of us that he does care and that we should never question his "antics" and just allow the man to work.

You can say that because you're a UK fan, but non UK fans and the AVERAGE fan that follows college basketball in general, don't understand that because that goes against what college bb is supposed to be about.

 

[Kycatspaws]

 

[Sithlyone]

You can say that because you're a UK fan, but non UK fans and the AVERAGE fan that follows college basketball in general, don't understand that because that goes against what college bb is supposed to be about.

My apologies, I assumed we WERE talking about UK fans. None UK fans don't matter. In my mind their opinions matter less than the dirt on the bottom of my shoes.

 

[MWes11]

Jay Bilas ‏@JayBilas 12m12 minutes ago
Pat Forde on Kentucky: http://yhoo.it/1FFpF1U Cal doesn't emphasize winning less than others. He positions things to recruit. It's working.

Seth Greenberg ‏@SethOnHoops 5m5 minutes ago
There is nothing worse than mean spirited journalist that use their platform for their own selfish reasons and lose objectivity.

Seth Greenberg ‏@SethOnHoops 8m8 minutes ago
.@YahooSports you spin it that way for a reason. Cal coaches to win championships. He is also smart in that the draft brands his program

 

[CHAMPCAT11]

I just don't understand what is so hard to grasp for people like him. By helping these kids reach their dreams it helps the program. By making statements about the draft being the biggest night only helps the program. Forde does know these things but he is only trying to get hits. However I sometimes doubt our own fans understanding.

It's all a recruiting pitch. Cal never stops recruiting, that is what makes him so successful. You don't think a kid wants to play for a coach that cares more about HIS dreams than the schools? I mean seriously, last night was nothing more than a televised infomercial for UK. All the (perceived) damage that was done last season with the Platoons was just wiped away with one night.

We had FOUR lottery picks on that team. Even if you discount KAT and say he was always going to be a high pick (which I don't). We had 3 other lottery picks (TWO NON STARTERS BTW) that certainly had their draft stock improved. Willie for instance was a complete mess when he arrived on campus and in 3 years he became the #6 pick in the draft.

These kids and their handlers have to see that UK is the best place to go if you or your kid has NBA aspirations. No amount of negative recruiting can take away last night. Cal can now go into these kids homes and say, "Even if we do Platoon I'll get you drafted. The number one pick averaged just 10 points a game in my system and the NBA didn't care..."

As fans, we have to know that "Cal speak" is just for the Kids, he really does care about winning titles, Final Fours and the school. Just watch him on the sidelines. Nobody gets that worked up over something he doesn't care about. Forget what he says to the media and the kids. And especially forget about what Forde spews out of his pie hole. Getting the best talent here will ALWAYS help the team, school and program, Cal knows this and after 6 seasons we should too.

This is so dead on. These kids, even the ones that are wise beyond their years eat this stuff up. They want to go to the NBA as quickly as possible and Cal's selling it better than anyone. He's not lying... he's just recruiting wisely. Everyone knows the best team doesn't always win the title but you have the best chance if you do in fact have the best team. For anyone that thinks Cal doesn't lose his mind when it comes to wins and losses you're wrong. Watch him coach on the sidelines. He goes over the edge trying to win. He's a great recruiter and a Hall of Fame coach. We'll get #9, just let him do what he does best. GBB.

 

[battletownflash]

I guess Forde and Fat Howie got their heads together on this one.

 

[jnewc2]

Does this dude ever stop with the Cal and UK hate? Give it a rest Pat. You're a loser. Not posting the link because I don't wanna give him hits, but it is below...


The Kentucky basketball postseason media guide cover last March featured the following motto:

"All for one goal."

What the media guide didn't tell us was that the goal wasn't some silly national title. It wasn't a 40-0 season and a spot in college basketball history. It wasn't hanging the school's ninth championship banner from the rafters of Rupp Arena.

No, the goal was Thursday night. NBA draft night.

We know this because Kentucky coach John Calipari said so last month. Cal told a group he spoke to in Rupp: "Last year we started the season with a goal. You may think it was to win a national title or win all the games, [but] it was to get eight players drafted."

ESPN's Heather Cox called him on that in the green room on Thursday night, mentioning that Calipari has said the NBA draft is "more important" than winning a national title.

Cal's response (one of his five appearances on camera on the night): "I never said that."

Alex Poythress that kept him from going pro, plus the NBA's snub of Aaron Harrison.)

I didn't check the police scanner, but I have to believe there was joyful civil disobedience in the streets of Lexington, Ky., right? Couches on fire? Moderate vandalism?

The celebration may rage for days. Certainly, the fans who camp out for days to get into Big Blue Madness in October are not out there dreaming of a Monday night in April. They're dreaming of a Thursday night in June, when the next raft of Wildcats shows up gripping and grinning with Adam Silver.

The fans whose ticket purchases and donor contributions pay Calipari's seven-year, $54 million contract – they're in it for the draft, right? If a national title should happen to go along with a big showing in the draft, that's a little icing on the cake.

Undoubtedly, this NBA draft will draw higher TV ratings in the state of Kentucky than did the Final Four broadcast of the Wildcats vs. Wisconsin. Even though the Final Four semifinals drew a 33.1 rating in Louisville, Ky.

Whatever. The draft number will dwarf that I am sure.

Calipari also said this at that appearance in May: "The mission for me is to be a vehicle to help others reach their dreams, to be the stone that creates the ripple in their lives that goes on and on and on. Now in our state, they want my mission to be, 'win national titles, win national titles.' My mission is bigger than that."

Fortunately he has educated the Kentucky fans on the miniscule nature of the national title mission. They now see the bigger mission: helping guys like Karl-Anthony Towns get drafted No. 1, because he surely wouldn't have had a chance at being the No. 1 pick if he'd been coached for six months by a lesser man and smaller stone than Calipari. Imagine if Towns had made the monumental mistake of playing for Mike Krzyzewski, Bill Self or Roy Williams – he'd probably be an undrafted free agent.


John Wall,DeMarcus Cousins and Eric Blesdoe) were picked in the first round. That didn't go over too well with the Big Blue old guard.

Of course, that team had something in common with this most recent team: it was by far the most talented team in the nation, and it didn't win the title. That's certainly a good time to elevate the draft to Program Goal No. 1.

Forde makes a lot of good points..I know we don't like it, but the truth hurts...not sure about you, but the fact that Calipari publicly said that his team's goal wasn't a national title, but instead getting 8 players drafted, is sad and sickening..if you're too blinded by your UK fandom to realize that, then you might need to take a step back

 

[dckala2]

I do not agree at all with the logic of the statement:

"player x was ranked y so player x should be drafted y"

Look at all the 5* that have died at lousiville. With their and fordes logic shmooville should have at least one contributing player in the nba.

 

[PhattyJ4UK]

He's a loser for calling out Cal on his BS? Eh, OK. He substantiated it by pointing out the specific examples of statements that Cal has made about the NBA Draft status of his players being more important to him than team results and points out the ridiculous notion that Cal in some way accomplished something that these players wouldn't have accomplished if they had gone somewhere else.

Lol a Kansas fan really shouldn't be making that argument today....or ever..for that matter

 

[kybassfan]

He's a loser for calling out Cal on his BS? Eh, OK. He substantiated it by pointing out the specific examples of statements that Cal has made about the NBA Draft status of his players being more important to him than team results and points out the ridiculous notion that Cal in some way accomplished something that these players wouldn't have accomplished if they had gone somewhere else.

Do what? It was an unvarnished, out of context hatchet job. Purely an op-ed piece where he was leveraging a virtual stump to spew unsubstantiated garbage. Its a bit like the BS post you just made.

I'm guessing a UNC fan or journalism grad? Maybe a UL or Hoosier grad, given the run on sentence.

 

[Sithlyone]

Forde makes a lot of good points..I know we don't like it, but the truth hurts...not sure about you, but the fact that Calipari publicly said that his team's goal wasn't a national title, but instead getting 8 players drafted, is sad and sickening..if you're too blinded by your UK fandom to realize that, then you might need to take a step back

Most irrational post of this whole thread. What is sad and sickening is that you call yourself a UK fan.

 

[PhattyJ4UK]

C'mon jnewc2..you're better than this
there's a rhyme and reason behind everything Cal does.. he knows that 8 players drafted would mean a great season.. how do you not understand this?

 

[MWes11]

Forde makes a lot of good points..I know we don't like it, but the truth hurts...not sure about you, but the fact that Calipari publicly said that his team's goal wasn't a national title, but instead getting 8 players drafted, is sad and sickening..if you're too blinded by your UK fandom to realize that, then you might need to take a step back

You can't be serious...

If you take every word someone says literally, you my friend, must live a very horrible life. If you can't see that he says all of these things to get the best high school players to put on the blue and white, and therefore leading us to championships, final fours, and the best 6 year stretch of any coach in America, I can't help you. He says what recruits want to hear, that is why he continues to get the best talent to Lexington. He does everything for the players, causing the players to showcase their talent, play hard, and drag the program to historic heights. He always says, "if you do right by the players, they will do right by you, and drag us to where we want to be." If he doesn't care about the program, why the hell is he so animated and passionate on the sidelines during games? He is a master recruiter and salesman and will go down as one of the best UK coaches in the history of the program, if he isn't one already.

 

[jrpross]

First of all, shouldn't a national analyst be unbiased? It's one thing to say "I don't agree with his philosophy because......." But that article was the equivalent of an angry monkey flinging his feces at someone.

Second of all there is SO MUCH wrong with the criticism. I'm perfectly aware of what Cal said about his goal to get guys drafted. People will say what they will about the quote; I'm fine with it. Forde seems to think he had no desire to win a title, as he jumped all over this quote, but he didn't mention the quotes Cal made about how he was in disbelief when they lost or how heartbroken he was etc. Do people not understand that the coach's responsibility is BOTH to the university AND to the players. His goal toward the players was to see if he could get a certain amount ready to take their next step. I for one appreciate that he takes his responsibilities seriously as opposed to coaches that lie to their players and tell them to stay when they should really go. Roy Williams for instance told Harrison Barnes "you'll be ready when we win the championship". Really? So if a player doesn't win a championship, he's not ready for the NBA? Gee that wouldn't be pushing your own agenda would it? And of course Barnes stock dropped a bit by staying; not much mind you, but a bit.

For those who don't like Cal's style and the things he says to market the program, please remember; the fact that Cal gets players ready so quickly, and they can see and hear that he will be honest with them, and KNOW that their interests are his interests is why we have top level talent coming in EVERY SINGLE YEAR. They know he gives them the best shot. So for us fans, he will keep us elite as long as he's here and I'd bet dollars to donuts that '12 will not be his only title before he leaves.


P.S. I find it frickin hilarious that the Kansas fan with the top 3 player last year who went undrafted popped in to lecture us. That's pure gold.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

C'mon jnewc2..you're better than this
there's a rhyme and reason behind everything Cal does.. he knows that 8 players drafted would mean a great season.. how do you not understand this?

That poster is a football only fan who blames basketball for football's decades of mostly ineptitude (which Stoops is changing thank God). I put that clueless poster on ignore a long time ago. You all do the same, and I'd recommend that based on his asanine negative football takes as well. He is always linking negative articles/making negative threads about the sport he proclaims he is the master fan of.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Diary]

I find it funny that he is being called out by other media for his bias.

As a side note I am a non violent person but if I ever saw him in public I would have to restrain myself to keep from throat punching him.

 

[ulismyman]

Dont read it..not that complicated to figure out

 

[ClockCalamity]

Obviously, Pat's wit is too much for some of you. His point is spot on...Anthony Davis, John Wall and KAT were projected top NBA picks when they were juniors in high school and would have been drafted the same had they played at UNCA or UK. With the exception of a few scrubs, Harrel..., it's a myth that playing for Cal at UK "makes a better pro". Pat is just pointing out what the entire NBA already knows.

Complete BS. He's not pointing out anything other than he has it out for Calipari and UK. And he'll keep plucking the same old tired chords hoping someone will listen.

 

[Mojocat]

Wow, Bilas and Seth G (especially) coming down on Forde. Amen.

For all of you trying to make the case the it doesn't matter where a kid goes to school, he'll make it to the NBA or not anyway... There's an easy analysis. Just list all the 5 star recruits and eventual draft position for each coach and school. The truth may surprise you....

 

[Ryan Lemonds Diary]

Shabazz Muhammad would probably disagree.

Do you think Devin Booker was a top 10 pick in high school. Was Eric Bledsoe the 18th pick coming out of high school? More importantly would either of those guys been that high at UNCA, South Dakota St or any other smaller school?

Obviously, Pat's wit is too much for some of you. His point is spot on...Anthony Davis, John Wall and KAT were projected top NBA picks when they were juniors in high school and would have been drafted the same had they played at UNCA or UK. With the exception of a few scrubs, Harrel..., it's a myth that playing for Cal at UK "makes a better pro". Pat is just pointing out what the entire NBA already knows.

 

[twocoach]

Do what? It was an unvarnished, out of context hatchet job. Purely an op-ed piece where he was leveraging a virtual stump to spew unsubstantiated garbage. Its a bit like the BS post you just made.

I'm guessing a UNC fan or journalism grad? Maybe a UL or Hoosier grad, given the run on sentence.

Unsubstantiated? didn't he give specific examples of when Calipari has made on the record comments that state exactly what he is claiming? It doesn't get more substantiated than that. Look, I get you guys don't like anything that isn't a knob shine of Calipari and Forde WAS a little over the top in making his point but he is right.

 

[jrpross]

Dang. Seth Greenberg threw down. I liked these 2 tweets.

– “There is nothing worse than mean spirited journalist that use their platform for their own selfish reasons and lose objectivity.”

– “I am trying to learn this business and the best journalists have strong objective educated opinions. When you lose objectivity that is an agenda.”

 

[dckala2]

Rock choke. So why does forde care so much he needs to even write that piece? What was the point besides crapping on a great night for kentucky players.

Cal wants to put players in the league and change their and their families lives. If in the meantime we go to the final four every year and when a ship now and then. So what's the problem?

 

[Lumpy 2]

Cal's message is directed at recruits, telling them they are the most important thing to him and if they come here he will do everything he can to make them a better player and person. The main reason he gets the best players year after year is because the kids see the results on draft night. A simple mind like Forde probably can't this.

 

[EvilMD]

I knew as soon as Cal said "I didn't say that" that the dogs would start barking. He did say that. And he's getting a little defensive about it. That being said, if Forde had made one tweet about it I would understand, but a whole article? What the hell? That deserves the backlash from Bilas and Greenberg. Forde needs to be yanked from yahoo, just like he was escorted from espn.

 

[kybassfan]

Unsubstantiated? didn't he give specific examples of when Calipari has made on the record comments that state exactly what he is claiming? It doesn't get more substantiated than that. Look, I get you guys don't like anything that isn't a knob shine of Calipari and Forde WAS a little over the top in making his point but he is right.

Yeah, unsubstantiated. For example:

This was coach speak that naysayers were taking out of context as though it was the ONLY goal for last years team (which only an idiot would believe): We know this (Bull hockey) because Kentucky coach John Calipari said so last month. Cal told a group he spoke to in Rupp: "Last year we started the season with a goal. You may think it was to win a national title or win all the games, [but] it was to get eight players drafted."

This is an obvious hack masquerading as a journalist trying to find make a story where there was none: ESPN's Heather Cox called him on that in the green room on Thursday night, mentioning that Calipari has said the NBA draft is "more important" than winning a national title. (I fault RR in part for crap like this since it enables hatchet jobs by giving even the slightest amount of credibility to such BS)

This is coach calling out the hack as he DIDN't say what was attributed to him: Cal's response (one of his five appearances on camera on the night): "I never said that."

So the article was nothing but contrivances based on a reporter on a fishing expedition for a story that didn't exist. What she should have been doing was going after a real story like "Moonpie" Roy admitting that he had NO control and no knowledge of his university's, program's and athlete's blatant cheating to maintain eligibility. If you call that a supported claim, then I can prove the moon is actually made of cheese.

So if you don't like Calipari, man up. Say it. Don't look toward journalistic drivel and contrived "scoops" while slinking around in the naysayer pond scum. Makes you no better than the loose nut at the keyboard that wrote the story behind this thread.

 

[buckkiller]

Lol rival fans are so Jeslous! All the negative recruiting spin has been squashed by Cal in one night! Forde should ho join Pitino at Porcini's for 25 seconds of fun !

Rival fans can spin whatever but the Fact is as long as Cal is at UK he will dominate recruiting.

 

[Chuckinden]

Yeah, unsubstantiated. For example:

This was coach speak that naysayers were taking out of context as though it was the ONLY goal for last years team (which only an idiot would believe): We know this (Bull hockey) because Kentucky coach John Calipari said so last month. Cal told a group he spoke to in Rupp: "Last year we started the season with a goal. You may think it was to win a national title or win all the games, [but] it was to get eight players drafted."

This is an obvious hack masquerading as a journalist trying to find make a story where there was none: ESPN's Heather Cox called him on that in the green room on Thursday night, mentioning that Calipari has said the NBA draft is "more important" than winning a national title. (I fault RR in part for crap like this since it enables hatchet jobs by giving even the slightest amount of credibility to such BS)

This is coach calling out the hack as he DIDN't say what was attributed to him: Cal's response (one of his five appearances on camera on the night): "I never said that."

So the article was nothing but contrivances based on a reporter on a fishing expedition for a story that didn't exist. What she should have been doing was going after a real story like "Moonpie" Roy admitting that he had NO control and no knowledge of his university's, program's and athlete's blatant cheating to maintain eligibility. If you call that a supported claim, then I can prove the moon is actually made of cheese.

So if you don't like Calipari, man up. Say it. Don't look toward journalistic drivel and contrived "scoops" while slinking around in the naysayer pond scum. Makes you no better than the loose nut at the keyboard that wrote the story behind this thread.

I understand what Cal's motives are, but are you trying to say he didn't say it? I saw the video and he did say exactly what's being reported.

So, if it was supposedly taken out of context, how can it be said that he did it for recruiting purposes? You can't have it both ways.

 

[irishcat1965]

Obviously, Pat's wit is too much for some of you. His point is spot on...Anthony Davis, John Wall and KAT were projected top NBA picks when they were juniors in high school and would have been drafted the same had they played at UNCA or UK. With the exception of a few scrubs, Harrel..., it's a myth that playing for Cal at UK "makes a better pro". Pat is just pointing out what the entire NBA already knows.

You are an idiot.

 

[ia.ukfan]

I hope Forde gets hit by a bus. Okay maybe not, but I do wish terrible things to happen in his personal life. Divorce or get fired would suffice.