Florida NIL Mess
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The sport is dead tbh. What pride is there in winning when all you did was assemble the best group of mercenaries for that one season? they should stop releasing recruiting rankings and just list each team’s largest donors for the season - that’ll tell you who’s gonna be in the playoffs.
LOL, these are not investments. They are gifts to help their favorite college football teams. If you want to get philosophically nuanced, then I guess you could argue it's an investment in future football happiness.
NCAA makes change to college football transfer portal
The transfer portal has forever changed college football and how schools create their rosters, and now the NCAA has brought in another new change. While players
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That has always been the rule. Once you enter the portal your scholarship is no longer guaranteed.
...and women should be pregnant and in the kitchen or at least cleaning. Get off my lawn!!
Right, but if it’s an advance on Rashada’s NIL agreement with Miami, then Rashada should be able to simply fulfill the NIL activities he agreed to in the Miami deal and still receive the amount they agreed to even if he attended another school.
If Miami boosters cancelled the NIL deal because Rashada didn’t commit to Miami, then that means their NIL deal was conditioned on Rashada playing at Miami. This also means that the Miami NIL deal violates Florida state law.
Miami could sue Rashada to try to get the money back, but that part of the NIL deal should be unenforceable in court based on Florida’s state law.
That’s why I was asking. I’m not sure why anything would have to be paid back. Even if the Miami boosters tried to get their money back, I would assume they’re out of luck.
NCAA makes change to college football transfer portal
The transfer portal has forever changed college football and how schools create their rosters, and now the NCAA has brought in another new change. While players
That is good intentions but that mental hardship sure leaves a lot of wiggle room
I wouldn’t be shocked if Florida decides to grant Rashada the release from his NLI for that very reason.
Breech of contract. Non-performance of contracted duties to Miami collective.
Of course this is all theoretical! I don't know if there will be a lawsuit for that or against Florida collective for the $13M. But lawsuits are bound to happen with NIL somewhere, lots of fast money by shady folks being thrown at high school kids.
Mertz would think "damn, I used my 1 portal transfer here, can't leave and go anywhere else". He's locked in, can't bail if they bring in Brian Kelly's dance partner.
I would expect this very soon and this is one reason why I’ve not been too concerned by all of the big NIL figures thrown around.
To me, the NIL situation seems like when a dam bursts. Immediately after the dam fails, you have a huge wall of water that rushes down the river causing damage. But once that wall of water passes, the flow of water through the river ends up being close to the flow when the dam was still there, it’s simply less controlled. Then it’s just a matter of cleaning up the mess from the torrent that came though.
The current NIL environment is the college athletics’ version of irrational exuberance. I suspect that we’ll eventually see things calm down a bit, and having boosters get burned a few times will help with that.
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The NCAA is too busy trying to jail Harbaugh and Michigan for giving free hamburgers. No time for Miami and Knoxville and Florida blatantly buying recruits with millions.
I mentioned this in my reply above, so you may have missed it.
On the breach of contract piece, if his NIL deal was conditioned on him playing for Miami, then that should be unenforceable in court. Florida state law prohibits that, so there should be no need for him to pay anything back.
I wondered if there was any legal way Mertz could get out of it. He may prove me wrong, but so far Napier does not look that great to me.
Collectives aren't stupid, language is put in not requiring attendance at a college. Rashada signed a contract that he would move to and live in the city/county of Miami Florida beginning January 2023. Just like Niko's NIL contract requires him to live in Knoxville TN - but says nothing about where he goes to college.
And breaking news: QB Howard from LSU picks Ole Miss. Florida & Napier still in the lurch.
And breaking news: QB Howard from LSU picks Ole Miss. Florida & Napier still in the lurch.
Attempting to skirt Florida law by mandating where Rashada lives is also likely not to hold up in court. For starters, judges aren’t stupid and will see this for what it is.
More importantly, Rashada is contracting with the collective to perform certain activities in exchange for money. As long as Rashada is willing to travel and able to perform his duties, then that’s what matters. The collective can’t mandate where an independent contractor chooses to reside permanently. They can only expect him to perform the activities he agreed to perform.
Why doesn’t the NCAA just require the kids to sell their NIL to the university for a minimum of 3 years much like a GoR in the TV contracts. I don’t think that would make them an employee if the university is just acquiring their rights.
It would still be highest bidder but at least it would get rid of collectives. It could all be tracked and the university could actually help these kids with the taxes so they don’t get screwed.
It would also put pressure on the university to justify the money going to these kids instead of actually improving academics.
It would still be highest bidder but at least it would get rid of collectives. It could all be tracked and the university could actually help these kids with the taxes so they don’t get screwed.
It would also put pressure on the university to justify the money going to these kids instead of actually improving academics.
Top Florida recruit requests release from letter of intent after massive NIL deal falls through: report
Florida quarterback recruit Jaden Rashada has requested a release from his National Letter of Intent after a $13 million NIL deal fell through.
If we are going to start paying 13 million dollars to play college football, then these universities should be barred from using taxpayer money for scholarships. You wanted a minor league team, so be it. But don’t expect the general public to help pay the salaries of your roster.
The kids could still get as much as they want and even renegotiate if needed. It would just be a way to actually protect this kids from scummy barely put together “collectives” that don’t know what they are doing.
I understand the ends, they are noble, but quasi and governmental entities forcing teenagers into lengthy contracts would never hold up in court. I'm sure if the government forced you into a 3 year agreement just "for your own protection," you'd be fine with it. Lol.
Some are losing sight of the forest for all the trees! NIL isn't supposed to be pay for play, 'student-athletes' are not employees so schools can't pay them for playing!
NIL was supposed to let kids on their own go our & get paid for signing autographs, for social media promotions.
But then Texas a&m 2022 recruiting class happened. they started the ball rolling of promising high school kids NIL deals if they sign at their school. It was the #1 highest rated class of all time - is it so ludicrous now that promising $25 million over 4 yrs for the best class ever? For over 25 guys? At the time everyone said "that's crazy!!!". Now? Nico by himself earns $8M over 4 yrs.
The horse is out of the barn. Ncaa can't stop this. Congress & the White House are too incompetent to fix it for them. Hell fire those idiots would take a bad situation and make it worst!!
This is the hand we are dealt with. Hopefully UK is being smart, but is also taking off the breaks and blinders Mitch insisted on.
NIL was supposed to let kids on their own go our & get paid for signing autographs, for social media promotions.
But then Texas a&m 2022 recruiting class happened. they started the ball rolling of promising high school kids NIL deals if they sign at their school. It was the #1 highest rated class of all time - is it so ludicrous now that promising $25 million over 4 yrs for the best class ever? For over 25 guys? At the time everyone said "that's crazy!!!". Now? Nico by himself earns $8M over 4 yrs.
The horse is out of the barn. Ncaa can't stop this. Congress & the White House are too incompetent to fix it for them. Hell fire those idiots would take a bad situation and make it worst!!
This is the hand we are dealt with. Hopefully UK is being smart, but is also taking off the breaks and blinders Mitch insisted on.
These numbers are outrageous. But you know what, the bigger the numbers get the faster this whole thing implodes and then we can get back to some semblance of normalcy with regard to recruiting and what these guys should be getting paid. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind being on the receiving end of some of that cash and don't blame the players for taking it if it's there. But there's no way this is sustainable.
Hmmmm.
Courts generally uphold any legal activity required in a contract. If there is contract language to that effect, why would that be unenforceable?
You are likely correct that a Court would have a hard look at a contract defining where “a contractor resided permanently,” but four years is far short of permanence, and well within the range of time periods enforced by Courts in “Non-Compete” and other contractual cases.
I suspect these NIL deals, if well-drafted, simply give the “purchaser” a monthly, quarterly, bi-annual or annual choice
(option) to “re-purchase” at the same rate, or not to do so, at the purcasher’s sole discretion.
You don’t have to specify where they live, or who they play for. Players will still sign lucrative deals, even with frequent or severe options limiting payment, as any 18 year old on this level thinks he is “three-and-done” and headed to the NFL like a shot from a cannon.
And such an option would not have to define why the payor might choose to opt out.
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We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether 4 years is reasonable. I’ve personally never heard of a 4 year non-compete holding up. Perhaps a 2 year clause, but even that might be pushing it.
But my point is simply this - requiring a student athlete to move in an NIL deal is, in effect, an inducement to attend a specific school which violates Florida state law.
Let’s use Hendon Hooker’s collective deal as an example. His deal mandated 10 personal appearances and a number of signed autographs over a period of 12 months. So Hooker’s NIL activities over the course of a year probably amounted to less than 40 hours of work in total.
There’s absolutely no reasonable rationale why someone would need to relocate in order to perform less than 40 hours of work per year. The only reason to include that type of clause is because you’re offering what is in truth a recruiting inducement and simply want to avoid calling it that. The fact that Florida has a specific law prohibiting that exact type of arrangement is problematic.
That’s why I was also skeptical about the repayment piece in the first place. I have a hard time believing someone would actually put that into a contract’s terms. And even if a collective did attempt that, I have a hard time imagining that any competent attorney would allow their student athlete client to agree to that.
Not to mention Jaxon Dart. But not a bad response to losing 5 of your last 6 games in '22.
Supposedly Sanders is going to transfer again as grad transfer if he doesn’t win the job in the Spring.
I would assume that any contract they signed would include a choice of law clause specifying the agreement would be governed by Florida law based on:
- the location of John Ruiz
- the location where NIL activities would occur
- the fact that Ruiz would potentially be contracting with prospective student athletes from multiple different states
- etc.
Come on... he's one fine "foozeball" coach! He worked wonders with the Mudcats!
