Fayette County Schools to allow ALL grade levels to study Gender Identity, Expression , & Sexual Orientation

[bigblueinsanity]

This thread: Tell me you have no idea what's going on in an actual Fayette County Public Schools classroom without telling me you have no idea what's going on in an actual Fayette County Public Schools classroom.

We're up to our neck in national debt, our interstates and bridges are collapsing, millions addicted to prescription pills, people shooting each other up every week, but BY GAWD we're gonna give this culture war all we got before any of that!

The Economy
Infrastructure
National Security

All the rest is team politics masturbation.

Virtually noone cares about the culture war on the whole. Most people in this country don't care what consenting adults do amongst or to one another. All some people ask is to leave kids out of it. That seems reasonable to me but others get irate at that basic notion.

As to those other matters, we're capable of addressing more than one matter at a time and this particular one is pretty much the only one that involves schools. Although one could certainly argue violence and drugs run rampant in some city schools (although I don't think that applies to Lexington).

 

[roguemocha]

If you didn’t let people under the age of say 16 or so on social media that would help all this stuff out a lot.

 

[PTI (pti)]

Virtually noone cares about the culture war on the whole.

Okay.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Okay.

Note I said virtually. There are the religious zealots, the loons, and the political NPCs. Fortunately that's a pretty small percentage of the population. The rest of the social media noise comes from virtue signalers who have no real beliefs other than going with the social media crowd.

The vast majority of this country just don't care what consenting adults to or with one another. Just leave kids out of it. For whatever reason, a segment of the population sees that as some sort of outrageous request.

 

[PTI (pti)]

The vast majority of this country just don't care what consenting adults to or with one another.

Man, I desperately wish this were true.

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

Man, I desperately wish this were true.

I believe it to be true. That’s what this thread is all about…the kids. It’s not about what adults do. How many threads did we have against LGBTQ+ adults prior to this…0.

 

[HymanKaplan]

Too is the answer.

Too many, that is.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Man, I desperately wish this were true.

It is true. Today's social media algorithms and msm slants all give people the content they're most likely to interact with ie the most extreme. So it's easy to think everyone is crazy, because crazy pays the bills. It's 100x worse if you're part of one of the groups I mentioned in a previous post, because the algorithm puts you in an echo chamber.

Most people really don't care what adults do amongst themselves. This weekend there were probably at least 100 pride parades across the nation. Hardly anyone cares.

The line gets drawn when people want to talk sex, of any sort, with young children. There's absolutely zero reason young children (under fifth grade) should be exposed to any sexual material regardless of content. Same goes with racy drag shows or other lewd displays towards children.

 

[NociHTTP]

Parents can’t teach those skills?

Going by the comments in here, that's a resounding IN OH. Never seen so much close mindedness as I have in Yahoo comments and I'm here. As a Christian I was taught to love others and accept them as they are and to not judge others. The only time I really care about what others are doing is if they are physically harming others.

 

[NociHTTP]

There’s a huge difference between the fear mongering, culture warring rhetoric that’s being used politically around this topic and what actually occurs 99.9% of the time in school classrooms. Most families no longer look like Ward and June Cleaver. A day in the life of public schools and its students no longer looks and sounds like the 1950’s. Kids themselves initiate a multitude of comments and conversations around what their own lives and experiences are. A classroom should be a safe place of inclusion and acceptance, otherwise content and curriculum can’t be taught and learning can’t take place. The current culture war society we live in has teachers afraid to to do things such as teach truthful history due to the CRT nonsense; there’s no agenda to make students feel guilty of their whiteness but a unit on slavery will naturally elicit that response in some kids. And, there’s no agenda to “groom kids to be gay or trans”, but teachers need to have the flexibility to tell kids that not all families look the same when a teachable moment occurs so the classroom can function as a place of safety and acceptance.

Well said. So many people I meet can't ever find it in their heart to look after one another, to help children (or even adults), but when it comes to their ignorance if it comes to something to that CHOOSE to not understand and accept, boy do they become the experts on what's best for others.

 

[Lexie's Dad]

Parents can’t teach those skills?

Parents don't have those skills.

Parents trying to teach that would be like Ray Charles teaching Stevie Wonder to drive.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

There’s a huge difference between the fear mongering, culture warring rhetoric that’s being used politically around this topic and what actually occurs 99.9% of the time in school classrooms. Most families no longer look like Ward and June Cleaver. A day in the life of public schools and its students no longer looks and sounds like the 1950’s. Kids themselves initiate a multitude of comments and conversations around what their own lives and experiences are. A classroom should be a safe place of inclusion and acceptance, otherwise content and curriculum can’t be taught and learning can’t take place. The current culture war society we live in has teachers afraid to to do things such as teach truthful history due to the CRT nonsense; there’s no agenda to make students feel guilty of their whiteness but a unit on slavery will naturally elicit that response in some kids. And, there’s no agenda to “groom kids to be gay or trans”, but teachers need to have the flexibility to tell kids that not all families look the same when a teachable moment occurs so the classroom can function as a place of safety and acceptance.

Good. If it's no big deal then it doesn't need to happen right?

only one side has a culture war. Other than religious zealots, noone cared while that group continued to push forward; until now.

No one should be discussing sex with young kids, period end of story. It's pretty crazy we live in times where that's a controversial statement

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Parents don't have those skills.

Parents trying to teach that would be like Ray Charles teaching Stevie Wonder to drive.

Young parents lack the skills because the same failed public education institutions failed them. Rather than address that failure, education doubled down and now added the weird sex stuff.

Well said. So many people I meet can't ever find it in their heart to look after one another, to help children (or even adults), but when it comes to their ignorance if it comes to something to that CHOOSE to not understand and accept, boy do they become the experts on what's best for others.

Acceptance and tolerance is a two way street. Your feelings matter no more than mine or anyone else. Sexual orientation nor pronouns elevate the weight of your feelings or opinions

 

[Bill Cosby]

Parents don't have those skills.

Parents trying to teach that would be like Ray Charles teaching Stevie Wonder to drive.

That argument may have worked pre Covid. But then we all learned the interests of the unions, administrators and teachers come before the interests of the children.

Can’t spend months/years arguing against the interests of children contrary to all actual scientific evidence, then turn around and say the desire to talk about sex with kindergartners is for the benefit of the children and parents shouldn’t question it because teachers know best.

Teachers, more importantly administrators, lost the benefit of the doubt during Covid. For whatever benefits they got, it has now cost them in the sense parents are more focused on what they’re actually doing in the classroom.

Thankfully don’t live in FC or JC and live close enough to great private schools.

 

[AIChatGPT]

And you haven’t found anyone to procreate with

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Good. If it's no big deal then it doesn't need to happen right?

only one side has a culture war. Other than religious zealots, noone cared while that group continued to push forward; until now.

No one should be discussing sex with young kids, period end of story. It's pretty crazy we live in times where that's a controversial statement

Of course the 1950’s weren’t all that innocent 😂😂

 

[Caveman Catfan]

And you haven’t found anyone to procreate with

This reads like projection.

 

[Nightwish84]

So is it weird when a female teacher screws a male student story pop up, many posters run to find photos of wood to post? And those stories are usually only condemned if the teacher is unattractive. Protect kids, unless the teacher is hot. Is that what we're doing? If so, then it's hard to take this particular topic too seriously.

Some have gone down a path of verbally ripping every group and entity they're not a part of. Everyone has become "the enemy." It's a paranoia I hoped only goofs like Alex Jones pretended to have. You're not going to convince a majority of the country that teachers want to train kids to be gay or trans.

Charlie Kirk is online trying to get his fans mad over Juneteenth. That's his job. To get followers pissed about something, anything. He probably agrees with some of you that teachers want to create a child army of transbots.

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

So is it weird when a female teacher screws a male student story pop up, many posters run to find photos of wood to post? And those stories are usually only condemned if the teacher is unattractive. Protect kids, unless the teacher is hot. Is that what we're doing? If so, then it's hard to take this particular topic too seriously.

Some have gone down a path of verbally ripping every group and entity they're not a part of. Everyone has become "the enemy." It's a paranoia I hoped only goofs like Alex Jones pretended to have. You're not going to convince a majority of the country that teachers want to train kids to be gay or trans.

Charlie Kirk is online trying to get his fans mad over Juneteenth. That's his job. To get followers pissed about something, anything. He probably agrees with some of you that teachers want to create a child army of transbots.

If school districts/ Kentucky department of education don’t want to teach gender identity, gender expression, and gender orientation, then why do they and others get upset when the legislature makes a law trying to keep them from doing said thing? And I think there are very, very few teachers who would want to bring any of this stuff into their classrooms, but they can’t speak up for fear of retaliation. It’s the crazy school boards and ridiculous leaders at Kentucky department of education who bring this into the classrooms by “allowing” it as they make the guidelines for the schools.

 

[AIChatGPT]

So should the teacher say, “no, it isn’t alright.”

Would you let a gay teacher teach your kids? Should gay teachers admit to having a same sex spouse if a kid asks?

Let’s say you are elected to school board. What is your stance on that?

Lower level,

You never answered this question

 

[Girthang]

How old are your kids? As far as being paranoid, two years ago people were saying they aren’t trying to bring LGBTQ/transgender stuff into schools, you all are crazy if you think they would do that to a kindergartner. But many of us said, just wait slowly they will get there if we don’t stand up. Well, here we are today. What’s next?

You're wasting your time with that poster. They'll argue that green grass is red if the party will support their fetishes.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

You're wasting your time with that poster. They'll argue that green grass is red if the party will support their fetishes.

The poster enters with bait posts and then acts like others must answer his/her questions. 🤦‍♂️

 

[Caveman Catfan]

So is it weird when a female teacher screws a male student story pop up, many posters run to find photos of wood to post? And those stories are usually only condemned if the teacher is unattractive. Protect kids, unless the teacher is hot. Is that what we're doing? If so, then it's hard to take this particular topic too seriously.

Some have gone down a path of verbally ripping every group and entity they're not a part of. Everyone has become "the enemy." It's a paranoia I hoped only goofs like Alex Jones pretended to have. You're not going to convince a majority of the country that teachers want to train kids to be gay or trans.

Charlie Kirk is online trying to get his fans mad over Juneteenth. That's his job. To get followers pissed about something, anything. He probably agrees with some of you that teachers want to create a child army of transbots.

After this hot mess, what is our take away, other than you generalize a great deal to express you angst over thread topics? Can we assume you support the school board’s decision and prefer to express that support by monitoring other posters’ habits?

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

Lower level,

You never answered this question

Yes, i would be ok with my kids having a gay teacher if they didn’t talk to my kids about gender identity, gender expression, and sexual orientation and were a good teacher. And the same rule would apply for a straight teacher as well. Just because a teacher is straight, still not ok to talk to my kid about those subjects. Because it’s not about the teachers, it’s about the kids (funny “it’s about the kids” is Fayette County schools motto). Earlier this year, a teacher at my kids school (3rd grade) told the students their own boy wears skirts/girls clothes and that’s ok. I have never questioned whether this teacher is gay or staight..but I did have a problem with the teacher saying this to my third grader. What they choose to do in their own home is fine, but again don’t put it on my kids.

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

After this hot mess, what is our take away, other than you generalize a great deal to express you angst over thread topics? Can we assume you support the school board’s decision and prefer to express that support by monitoring other posters’ habits?

And he is another one that doesn’t have kids but has a lot to say about how others influence our kids. Also seems to say A LOT without really saying anything.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

And he is another one that doesn’t have kids but has a lot to say about how others influence our kids. Also seems to say A LOT without really saying anything.

Think he would be okay with a third grade teacher telling his future kid’s class, “there is no such thing as non-binary” or “your pronouns follow your sex and there are two sexes.”

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

Think he would be okay with a third grade teacher telling his future kid’s class, “there is no such thing as non-binary” or “your pronouns follow your sex and there are two sexes.”

Haha..yeah I’m guessing he would be very offended should anyone tell his future kids this. As would all others on here who don’t have kids but have thrown their two cents in saying us with kids who have an opinion opposite of theirs are over reacting. This is all so confusing 😉. Another option, us adults just debate these issues on here and not bring them to kindergarteners to decide if they should believe their parents or teachers should they have differing views (which is totally ok for two adults to live their lives differently).

 

[AIChatGPT]

Yes, i would be ok with my kids having a gay teacher if they didn’t talk to my kids about gender identity, gender expression, and sexual orientation and were a good teacher. And the same rule would apply for a straight teacher as well. Just because a teacher is straight, still not ok to talk to my kid about those subjects. Because it’s not about the teachers, it’s about the kids (funny “it’s about the kids” is Fayette County schools motto). Earlier this year, a teacher at my kids school (3rd grade) told the students their own boy wears skirts/girls clothes and that’s ok. I have never questioned whether this teacher is gay or staight..but I did have a problem with the teacher saying this to my third grader. What they choose to do in their own home is fine, but again don’t put it on my kids.

Is the teacher allowed to mention that they have a same sex spouse if the kid asks? What about having a picture of their family on the desk? What do you want them to do when kids ask?

 

[Hank Camacho]

What do you want them to do when kids ask?

Personally, I want them to call Randi Weingarten an ugly c-word.

 

[AIChatGPT]

ZING!

 

[Hank Camacho]

It is funny because it is true.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

So should the teacher say, “no, it isn’t alright.”

Would you let a gay teacher teach your kids? Should gay teachers admit to having a same sex spouse if a kid asks?

Let’s say you are elected to school board. What is your stance on that?

The answer, like it was for decades, should be "that's a question for your parent(s)".

Hardly anyone cares if the teacher is gay. If a child asks about a spouse, for whatever unforeseen reason, the teacher should respond accordingly. If there are more questions, see above. When in school, I knew virtually nothing about my teachers' personal lives because until 10 minutes ago people kept healthy boundaries in the classroom

None of this is new or groundbreaking. The only thing that changed is the creepy desire to create sexual conversations with young children.

 

[MegaBlue05]

It’s cute some of y’all think children are so naive and that they wouldn’t talk about things like sexual orientation and sex in general on their own. Maybe a guided, short on details conversation with a trusted adult wouldn’t be the worst thing.

Thinking back to my own childhood in the late 80s, early 90s, we played “smear the queer” on the playground. We called each other gay and f-gs as an insult starting in about first grade. We talked (inaccurately) about sex among ourselves on the bus in third grade. We used to spit raunchy sex-based 2 Live Crew rhymes in 4th grade on the bus or on the playground. Most of us started whacking off in sixth or seventh grade. Many of my peers lost their virginity in 9th or 10th grade. (It took me to 12th grade, dammit. Best 18 seconds of her life!)

I knew what a gay person was conceptually before I was 8. I knew what a trans person was around age 10 (we called them transvestites and cross dressers back then). All of this shit ain’t new. My sex ed unit didnt cover homosexuality or gender identity because that stuff was super taboo back in the day, but not many people under 40 give a shit today.

It shouldn’t come as a shock that these topics are added to curriculums as norms evolve. Just like my generation got to learn about safe sex, contraception and STDs, my parents were taught abstinence only (naivety strikes again) and freaked the hell out knowing we were learning about rubbers and pills. They stupidly thought we were being encouraged or even “groomed” to have sex rather than taught how to prevent unwanted teen pregnancy. Point being, social positions evolve as time moves forward.

As I said earlier, when they turn 10, they’re ready to have these discussions because most 12 year olds can make a baby despite not being physically, mentally, emotionally or financially mature enough to handle such a large responsibility. I knew I liked girls by age 12 and wanted to stick my pecker in the first wet hole I could find. I’m sure the kids who are attracted to the same sex or feel like they’re a ____ trapped in a ___’s body know at an early age as well. The trans person from childhood I’m pretty good friends with said they knew as early as elementary school that they weren’t like the other boys, couldn’t explain the feelings until their teen years, but wasn’t comfortable coming out until adulthood because of the social stigma of being a trans person in rural Kentucky.

Ain’t nobody trying to make your kids gay or trans. Your kids are more likely to be sexually abused by a clergy member or heterosexual teacher than a gay or trans person. In a state that ranks bottom 10 in infant mortality, child poverty rate and damn near any other quality of life metric, we got bigger fish to fry than worrying about LGBT issues as if this is high priority stuff.

 

[Ron Mehico]

Is the teacher allowed to mention that they have a same sex spouse if the kid asks? What about having a picture of their family on the desk? What do you want them to do when kids ask?

So what exactly are you insinuating? Are you alluding that:

1) kids regularly interrupt teachers and start asking them personal questions about their romantic life?

2)that if a teacher simply answers they’re gay and happy and there are nice gay people in the world they’ll be fired or punished?

Do you not see how that’s as equally hysterical as people saying elementary teachers are pedophile groomers? But that’s all these conversations are anymore. Just people using the most fear mongering extremes as if that’s what will happen and arguing for/against them. Just exhausting. It’s to the point that some extremists like Nightwish literally think they are a moderate voice of reason.

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

Is the teacher allowed to mention that they have a same sex spouse if the kid asks? What about having a picture of their family on the desk? What do you want them to do when kids ask?

I guess they could say that’s my family just like a straight person would say. If the student attempts to further the discussion further, then direct them to ask those questions at home, same as a straight teacher could say. Anything wrong with this? Would avoid discussion on gender identity, gender expression, and sexual orientation. No need for teacher and student to get into that any further…for the 100th time, regardless if teacher is gay or straight. But for some weird reason, some are hellbent that teachers should be allowed to discuss anything..to the point that the Ky department of education says..oh there is a loophole..of using and instead of or in a sentence..so hey teachers you are free to discuss sex stuff with your kindergarten students. Then SOME democrats rush to align with this stance, while privately some democrats are saying, this is child abuse.

 

[Bill Cosby]

The strong desire amongst a certain subset of people to talk about sex with kids is, at best, weird.

Starting to think maybe remote learning during Covid was safest for the kids.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

It’s cute some of y’all think children are so naive and that they wouldn’t talk about things like sexual orientation and sex in general on their own. Maybe a guided, short on details conversation with a trusted adult wouldn’t be the worst thing.

Under fifth grade, this is exactly how it is. Not how someone thinks. In fact, until pretty recently, young children asking questions about sex was a red flag they were being molested or groomed; because kids that age aren't naturally sexually aware.

If they do innocently ask, the response can easily be, as it always was, they don't discuss their personal lives.

The challenges presented arent that tougher and the solutions are even easier. The actual problem is certain groups of people are pursuing a social angle rather than focusing on educating kids.

 

[MatteoV25]

If you're angry about this then blame the Kentucky legislators for being incompetent when it comes to writing laws. Everything else is just noise

 

[Blueworld_3.0]

There are only two largely liberal bastions in the state of KY, Jefferson County-Louisville and Fayette-Lexington. It should not surprise anyone that children in districts inside these counties are being subjected to indoctrination...and yes, that's exactly what it is. Science says you cannot change your gender, yet every single day we see it being taught in many schools by activist teachers. Meanwhile, little Johnny and Suzie have terrible test scores in areas of competency that would allow them to build a better life (and possibly world) for themselves and others.
Allowing mentally ill individuals and/or indoctrinated radicals to have access to the minds of our children is nothing less than neglect on the part of parents. Inattention and ;laziness have allowed this nonsense to enter our schools. Mom and Dad have been too busy with their careers and lives to pay close attention to the types of teachers and administrators that have embedded themselves like ticks into public schools. And frankly, I doubt public education can be saved. Private or even homeschooling your kids seems to be the only logical choice at this point. Both are expensive but, I guess it comes down to how much value you place on the hearts, minds and souls of your children?

 

[MatteoV25]

There are only two largely liberal bastions in the state of KY, Jefferson County-Louisville and Fayette-Lexington. It should not surprise anyone that children in districts inside these counties are being subjected to indoctrination...and yes, that's exactly what it is. Science says you cannot change your gender, yet every single day we see it being taught in many schools by activist teachers. Meanwhile, little Johnny and Suzie have terrible test scores in areas of competency that would allow them to build a better life (and possibly world) for themselves and others.
Allowing mentally ill individuals and/or indoctrinated radicals to have access to the minds of our children is nothing less than neglect on the part of parents. Inattention and ;laziness have allowed this nonsense to enter our schools. Mom and Dad have been too busy with their careers and lives to pay close attention to the types of teachers and administrators that have embedded themselves like ticks into public schools. And frankly, I doubt public education can be saved. Private or even homeschooling your kids seems to be the only logical choice at this point. Both are expensive but, I guess it comes down to how much value you place on the hearts, minds and souls of your children?

You sound 100 years old