Fayette County Schools to allow ALL grade levels to study Gender Identity, Expression , & Sexual Orientation

[bigblueinsanity]

This is a function of the family not the state. The kids are our kids, not the state.

Vote these people out. The only thing they fear are losing elections. Until that happens regularly, the insanity will continue.

Before they feared losing enrollment which caused them to lose funding. In the current climate they don't care about that because the money never stops coming in.

 

[MegaBlue05]

The OP once started a thread about a photo he saw on social media of a Celebrate LGBTQ authors or something banner in a school. He wasn't sure which school this banner was in but that the banner was in fact somewhere in Lexington. We used to have similar for Black History Month. The horror and trauma that caused. I had friends who fainted.

Since boards like this skew older I feel I should just keep repeating that whatever you see online doesn't mean there's a nationwide epidemic and all the childrens must be saved. We lived through the dumb gay panic shit and now folks are panicked over this. If you are concerned, here's a thought: talk to the teacher and/or administrator and get the low-down before hopping on social media to stir things up. Not everyone in life needs a boogeyman and this constant panic over everything is tiresome.

I’m so old I lived through the Satanic panic where the metal was gonna turn the youth into devil worshipping miscreants who routinely perform human sacrifices. Turns out, it was bullshit.

 

[HymanKaplan]

It is almost like politicians and the media (including social media) have a vested interest in finding issues that divide people into roughly equal groups and then fueling hysteria to get those two groups to hate each other.

Same thing that happens with abortion, guns, trans issues, BLM, and on and on and on.

It seems like a lot of people are finally getting sick of it. I think it got to a fever pitch during COVID when everyone was locked in their house and there was nothing to do but follow politics. Now that people are back in the world and interacting with each other in person, that culture war crap seems increasingly stupid.

(Or I hope at least.)

I think that 60 percent of this country ignores that crap, and would get along just fine if the 20 percent on the fascist far left, and the 20 percent on the fascist far right weren't able to completely F**K everything for the rest of us. Because of the strangle hold those two political parties have on the entire process, they've enabled those sh*tstains to hi-jack the entire thing.to the point that our choice is Trump or Biden. TRUMP or BIDEN.

 

[wildcatsboston1984]

I’m so old I lived through the Satanic panic where the metal was gonna turn the youth into devil worshipping miscreants who routinely perform human sacrifices. Turns out, it was bullshit.

90s Black Metal to Europe was like 90s Gangsta Rap to America. Though the Norwegian scene was by far the most violent and sadistic. Murders, literal blood rivalries, etc. And then sprinkle in dozens of church burnings.

 

[Tskware]

This thread: Tell me you have no idea what's going on in an actual Fayette County Public Schools classroom without telling me you have no idea what's going on in an actual Fayette County Public Schools classroom.

We're up to our neck in national debt, our interstates and bridges are collapsing, millions addicted to prescription pills, people shooting each other up every week, but BY GAWD we're gonna give this culture war all we got before any of that!

The Economy
Infrastructure
National Security

All the rest is team politics masturbation.

Cant like this post enough. All this anti woke c*** is absolutely made up b*******. How about the two parties present an actual federal budget and then debate how to reconcile the two? One party has done so, still waiting on the GOP. Yet Nikki Haley is the only one on either side that has come out and said what we all know. Social security and medicare have to be scaled back and the defense budget has to be looked at really hard or financially, we are going to be ruined.

But by all means let's keep obsessing over transgender beer drinkers that's the real issue in America

 

[RunninRichie]

It is almost like politicians and the media (including social media) have a vested interest in finding issues that divide people into roughly equal groups and then fueling hysteria to get those two groups to hate each other.

Same thing that happens with abortion, guns, trans issues, BLM, and on and on and on.

It seems like a lot of people are finally getting sick of it. I think it got to a fever pitch during COVID when everyone was locked in their house and there was nothing to do but follow politics. Now that people are back in the world and interacting with each other in person, that culture war crap seems increasingly stupid.

(Or I hope at least.)

Don't forget confederate statues.

 

[HymanKaplan]

If it IS Biden vs. Trump (if he's not in prison by then), I will refuse to cast a ballot for that office, for the first time since I was eligible to vote (you can imagine my disappointment when I woke up the next morning, to learn that Truman came back and beat Dewey.)

 

[Tskware]

If it IS Biden vs. Trump (if he's not in prison by then), I will refuse to cast a ballot for that office, for the first time since I was eligible to vote (you can imagine my disappointment when I woke up the next morning, to learn that Truman came back and beat Dewey.)

I hear you, did not vote in 2016 for same reasons

 

[PTI (pti)]

Don't forget confederate statues.

I live in New Orleans, and the confederate statue issue was front and center here about 6 years ago. Around that time, a high school friend who's a tv producer in New York reached out to me asking my thoughts (4 statues would eventually be removed) for a story she was potentially working on.

My response was something like this....

"black people in this city, on average, have a terrible life. Rates of incarceration, homelessness, unemployment, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, poverty, life expectancy, median income, education level, etc, etc is significantly worse than their white counterparts. While I generally think we shouldn't have statues celebrating confederate soldiers, at the end of the day it really does nothing to address the actual issues people in this community face."

Fast forward to today, and indeed absolutely nothing has changed in this city, BUT, our former mayor has left office, put out a best selling book, been rumored to run for President, has been making $1 million/year running his non-profit, and was named to head up the $1 trillion infrastructure deal by the current president. FYI, he's a 60 year old, bald white guy who lives in a mansion in an old money neighborhood and comes from a prominent, powerful political family. If that's not the epitome of this Culture War bullshit, then I don't know what is.

 

[RunninRichie]

I live in New Orleans, and the confederate statue issue was front and center here about 6 years ago. Around that time, a high school friend who's a tv producer in New York reached out to me asking my thoughts (4 statues would eventually be removed) for a story she was potentially working on.

My response was something like this....

"black people in this city, on average, have a terrible life. Rates of incarceration, homelessness, unemployment, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, poverty, life expectancy, median income, education level, etc, etc is significantly worse than their white counterparts. While I generally think we shouldn't have statues celebrating confederate soldiers, at the end of the day it really does nothing to address the actual issues people in this community face."

Fast forward to today, and indeed absolutely nothing has changed in this city, BUT, our former mayor has left office, put out a best selling book, been rumored to run for President, has been making $1 million/year running his non-profit, and was named to head up the $1 trillion infrastructure deal by the current president. FYI, he's a 60 year old, bald white guy who lives in a mansion in an old money neighborhood and comes from a prominent, powerful political family. If that's not the epitome of this Culture War bullshit, then I don't know what is.

I think we should leave the statues up. But I have multiple confederate grandfathers, uncles, and close cousins and am related to 4 confederate generals. But like you said, It's all bullshit. It's only purpose it to make it look like they're doing something and care. They don't.

 

[JumperJack]

People say they're sick of it, but their behavior shows otherwise.

For funsies, go start 2 different threads.

#1 = "Catholic priest rapes 900 children."
#2 = "Trans athlete wins 1st place in middle school pickleball tournament."


Guess which one will turn into a 27 page culture war?

One of these is already illegal and immoral. We can (should) send the priest to jail. (I’d say castrate them.) We all accept that.

 

[UK till Death]

Your original post title not draw the rage you were looking for? Needed to spice it up to get all of the political posters with no school aged kids to rally together?

As a parent of a kid that just finished kindergarten at an FCPS school and an uncle to 2 older students at the same school I know none of this stuff is happening at their school.

They haven't changed the rule to suit their perverse agenda yet, genius.

 

[cricket3]

The rule didn’t exist until this April genius.

 

[ukcatz12]

Acceptance is different than agenda. There’s not one single reason that sexual identity or preference should be given time in a classroom.

I think you're misrepresenting what's happening. 99.999% of people don't think small children should be taught the gritty details of sexual identity or preference. But kids talk and they aren't completely oblivious to the world around them. And kids talk about how Johnnie or Susie have two dads or two moms. This simply allows a teacher to acknowledge that non-traditional families exist, or for a child to show something in show and tell and say something like "My dads gave me this for my birthday", or for there to be a lesson where a kid draws their family and it happens to be a non-traditional one.

By the way, being straight is sexual identity or preference too. So a teacher having a picture of them and their heterosexual spouse, or a child talking about their heterosexual parents is technically "allowing sexual preference into the classroom".

Instead of vague bans on certain topics that are incredibly sloppily written (cough...Florida...cough), why can't we just leave it up to teachers to do what they've devoted their life to doing and deal with the incredibly rare and isolated incidents of inappropriateness or misconduct when they happen?

 

[Blue_2_the_bone]

Local elections are important. Boards must approve curriculums, so if your children are being taught something it’s because the elected board wanted them to. Run for office, vote them out, do whatever it takes. This nonsense only takes hold because people only want to start speaking out or fighting once it’s too late.

 

[HymanKaplan]

Local school boards don't set content curriculum. That is set by the state (in Kentucky)
Well, to be more precise, the state sets guidelines as to what MUST be included, and what cannot be included. So local boards have SOME leeway beyond that, but it all goes back to the state for approval.

 

[Nightwish84]

One of these is already illegal and immoral. We can (should) send the priest to jail. (I’d say castrate them.) We all accept that.

PTI’s assessment is correct though and I noticed you didn’t disagree. I’m not crazy about the trans athletes thing but it’s a few people a year. Whenever the topic comes up, there’s always some who’ll give off the vibe of “why aren’t you mad about this like I’m mad?!?! WHAT IF ITS UR DAUGHTER!!!” All some of us are saying is calm the hell down with the constant emotional takes.

Some posters are pretty clearly anti-LGBTQ (the Political Thread is just one long anti-LGBTQ thread at this point). Whatever, you do you. But those same posters seek this shit out. We’re not the ones looking up anti-LGBTQ memes to post daily or bringing up grooming constantly in an effort to connect the two. You guys do it and then yell that LGBTQ is “shoving it down your throats.” Sure buddy.

There was a worldwide scandal of priests grooming and raping countless children. The Church knew and hid it. This happened for decades. That’s unconscionable. Yet more emotion is put into a story of a trans person who wants to play volleyball. You guys are getting played and getting tore up about the wrong shit imo.

 

[Wesley91581]

PTI’s assessment is correct though and I noticed you didn’t disagree. I’m not crazy about the trans athletes thing but it’s a few people a year. Whenever the topic comes up, there’s always some who’ll give off the vibe of “why aren’t you mad about this like I’m mad?!?! WHAT IF ITS UR DAUGHTER!!!” All some of us are saying is calm the hell down with the constant emotional takes.

Some posters are pretty clearly anti-LGBTQ (the Political Thread is just one long anti-LGBTQ thread at this point). Whatever, you do you. But those same posters seek this shit out. We’re not the ones looking up anti-LGBTQ memes to post daily or bringing up grooming constantly in an effort to connect the two. You guys do it and then yell that LGBTQ is “shoving it down your throats.” Sure buddy.

There was a worldwide scandal of priests grooming and raping countless children. The Church knew and hid it. This happened for decades. That’s unconscionable. Yet more emotion is put into a story of a trans person who wants to play volleyball. You guys are getting played and getting tore up about the wrong shit imo.

Mod asked not to turn this into a political thread yet this post references politics several times - do better man

 

[Caveman Catfan]

My take is, while I don’t think kindergarten students should be learning about sex and they won’t be, I do know gay kids exist long before high school and college. I do think the topic of orientation/identity should be addressed when kids are learning sex ed somewhere between 4th and 6th grade. Everyone isn’t born straight and you can’t teach someone to be straight, gay or trans. You either are or aren’t. I know I never made a conscious decision to be attracted to women only.

Maybe lifting the ban is about promoting tolerance and acceptance of others so the rampant bullying of “different” kids won’t be as prevalent as it was in my day.

Anecdotally, I went to elementary school with two boys in my graduating class who were much different than the rest of us boys. They ate lunch with the girls, played with the girls at recess, were more interested in playing house with the girls than playground football with the guys, dressed more formal/feminine than most of us, etc. These guys both came out publicly as gay in their late 20s/early 30s and nobody was shocked. These two were bullied mercilessly and called “f-gs” literally every day all the way through high school. I would be lying if I said I didn’t participate in the name calling at times. I regret it, and can admit I was ignorant.

I also played youth baseball and basketball with a dude who was pretty effeminate as a kid and who used to like to dress in drag for Halloween as a “joke” when we were in high school. He never was a hit with the ladies, had a short, failed marriage shortly after high school and lived a miserable life for a long time. Now, this person has big fake boobs, wears dresses and lives happily as a woman. I think it’s weird and not something I’d do, but if that makes them happy, I seriously DGAF.

TL;DR: I don’t approve of sex ed type discussions for kids younger than 10, but don’t mind acknowledging that gay and trans people do exist and should still be treated as human from late elementary through high school. And, if you’re someone who doesn’t believe all folks should be treated fairly and equally based on their sexual orientation/identity, private religious schools might be a better fit than public schools.

I am not sure you cannot teach a kid to be non-binary or trans. I think there are some gay kids being taught to be something they would not otherwise be. The rise in identity as nonbinary and trans among middle school girls is evidence that this is not just some innate issue, but that environment plays a role.

Agree. I can accept not everyone is the same and each should be able to live their own lives yet still not accept it being taught in schools to elementary school kids.

“Today, my third grade class, we will learn about the mutilation of a baby in the uterus by some abortion techniques.” Uh, no. Today we will learn math, English, history (actual factual history), play time and maybe some art. We don’t need you to be thrust into the adult culture. We will actually protect you from that, so you may enjoy your childhood and won’t be pawns for the adults.

It ain’t difficult.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

The OP once started a thread about a photo he saw on social media of a Celebrate LGBTQ authors or something banner in a school. He wasn't sure which school this banner was in but that the banner was in fact somewhere in Lexington. We used to have similar for Black History Month. The horror and trauma that caused. I had friends who fainted.

Since boards like this skew older I feel I should just keep repeating that whatever you see online doesn't mean there's a nationwide epidemic and all the childrens must be saved. We lived through the dumb gay panic shit and now folks are panicked over this. If you are concerned, here's a thought: talk to the teacher and/or administrator and get the low-down before hopping on social media to stir things up. Not everyone in life needs a boogeyman and this constant panic over everything is tiresome.

Hall Monitor ^^ here to shame the OP so that you won’t actually consider the content. If you have not figured out NightWish’s MO by now, you have not been paying attention. Shame to silence. Shame to get you to look away and not actually engage your brain.

If you have a kid in the school system, investigate and make up your own mind.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

I wish we lived in a world where things that actually f'ing matter were way more important to people than things that don't. Our political system, our schools, our social media -- completely overtaken by nonsense like whether or not to remove a statue that nobody even notices is there, or imposing a ban on trans athletes that don't even exist. Completely pointless, meaningless bullshit that affects nobody's life at the end of the day.

But, here we are.

I have spoken with middle school teachers who are dealing with an inordinate amount of girls who are struggling with gender and body dysmorphia. I am not sure why the environmental influences of such things don’t rank high enough to consider.

I really don’t know what you mean about trans athletes that don’t exist. That is nonsensical to me. Listen to the actual women in sports who are protesting and tell me how that does not exist.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

This thread: Tell me you have no idea what's going on in an actual Fayette County Public Schools classroom without telling me you have no idea what's going on in an actual Fayette County Public Schools classroom.

Tell me you like message board cliches without telling me you like message board cliches.

The thread links to an article. If you think good journalism is dead today, that might be another thread.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Then why do you constantly post on threads that you don’t care about and think are silly? Maybe take your own advice.

This is a great point. Look at the other thread titles on this board. Movies, wrastl’n, threads making fun of people dying, golf, UFOs, etc. There is a great deal to choose from and you can start the thread you want to see. A couple of threads start that some posters don’t appreciate being discussed and they flock to those threads to tell the posters there they should not be posting, because there are other issues and message boards should be for … uh, can’t finish that sentence, because message boards are for discussion.

Seems there are some here who overlook all of the other options to read the thread they don’t like and then attempt to get you to stop posting on that thread or to get the thread closed. It’s rich.

 

[8titles]

Cant like this post enough. All this anti woke c*** is absolutely made up b*******. How about the two parties present an actual federal budget and then debate how to reconcile the two? One party has done so, still waiting on the GOP. Yet Nikki Haley is the only one on either side that has come out and said what we all know. Social security and medicare have to be scaled back and the defense budget has to be looked at really hard or financially, we are going to be ruined.

But by all means let's keep obsessing over transgender beer drinkers that's the real issue in America

It may be BS but it is now a possibility whereas before it wasn't so much. When this crap passes entire school boards in a conservative state like Ky (even knowing Fayette county is not conservative in and of itself) it shows a level of strength with groups who not only will pass this type of law but will also practice it just to prove how liberal they are. So yeah, it is BS and it isn't as important as other topics, but it would potentially directly impact my family if my kids were to get exposed to it. It would also likely impact me since I would very much beat the piss out of any teacher that pushed this crap on my child. So there is that too.

 

[MegaBlue05]

90s Black Metal to Europe was like 90s Gangsta Rap to America. Though the Norwegian scene was by far the most violent and sadistic. Murders, literal blood rivalries, etc. And then sprinkle in dozens of church burnings.

Talk about an awful subgenre. I’m a huge metal head and think most black metal is awful. Bad production, the know 2-4 riffs, unintelligible vocals, SATAN!!!.

 

[wildcatsboston1984]

PTI’s assessment is correct though and I noticed you didn’t disagree. I’m not crazy about the trans athletes thing but it’s a few people a year. Whenever the topic comes up, there’s always some who’ll give off the vibe of “why aren’t you mad about this like I’m mad?!?! WHAT IF ITS UR DAUGHTER!!!” All some of us are saying is calm the hell down with the constant emotional takes.

Some posters are pretty clearly anti-LGBTQ (the Political Thread is just one long anti-LGBTQ thread at this point). Whatever, you do you. But those same posters seek this shit out. We’re not the ones looking up anti-LGBTQ memes to post daily or bringing up grooming constantly in an effort to connect the two. You guys do it and then yell that LGBTQ is “shoving it down your throats.” Sure buddy.

There was a worldwide scandal of priests grooming and raping countless children. The Church knew and hid it. This happened for decades. That’s unconscionable. Yet more emotion is put into a story of a trans person who wants to play volleyball. You guys are getting played and getting tore up about the wrong shit imo.

It's always deflection with them. Can't accept and cope with the fact that their religion has been breeding and supporting child rapists for centuries so they have to take it out on others.

 

[wildcatsboston1984]

Talk about an awful subgenre. I’m a huge metal head and think most black metal is awful. Bad production, the know 2-4 riffs, unintelligible vocals, SATAN!!!.

What are your favorite metal bands. Not counting the stuff most people have heard of that typically made it on the radio back when rock wasn't an afterthought in the national landscape. You know like Metallica, Disturbed, etc., not that type of stuff.

So the "deep cuts" basically.

 

[Juan4UK]

Fayette County Board of Education moves forward with plan that takes advantage of SB 150 loophole

The FCPS board agreed to have staff change language in the district’s SB-150-related policy that’s under consideration.

www.lex18.com

Fayette County is deciding to take advantage of a loophole. They are going to allow curriculum where students study gender identity, expression or sexual orientation for ALL kids kindergarten thru 12th grade. May want to be aware of what your kids are being taught at school…it’s not just math and science anymore. June 26 is the board meeting where you are free to voice your input.

'...math, science' or fairytale myopic historical narratives.

 

[MegaBlue05]

I am not sure you cannot teach a kid to be non-binary or trans. I think there are some gay kids being taught to be something they would not otherwise be. The rise in identity as nonbinary and trans among middle school girls is evidence that this is not just some innate issue, but that environment plays a role.

Could the lessening of the stigma of LGBT lifestyles also play a role?

In my day anyone who wasn’t straight remained in the closet until adulthood because being openly gay in high school was social suicide because of the social stigma. Now, kids seem to be more comfortable with who they are. As I mentioned in my previous post, sometimes you can easily tell which kids are “different” in elementary school. These kids have always existed, but they didn’t feel comfortable expressing that to their peers until recently.

Similarly, folks used to hide/deny interracial relationships because of the former social stigma surrounding that, but now you see these relationships quite often.

 

[Ron Mehico]

Could the lessening of the stigma of LGBT lifestyles also play a role?

In my day anyone who wasn’t straight remained in the closet until adulthood because being openly gay in high school was social suicide because of the social stigma. Now, kids seem to be more comfortable with who they are. As I mentioned in my previous post, sometimes you can easily tell which kids are “different” in elementary school. These kids have always existed, but they didn’t feel comfortable expressing that to their peers until recently.

Similarly, folks used to hide/deny interracial relationships because of the former social stigma surrounding that, but now you see these relationships quite often.

It’s an interesting discussion. If you watch this bill Maher clip (admittedly I do agree with him a lot) he has a segment where a transgender clinical psychologist that treats kids thinks it’s actually “trendy” to be trans and not actually them feeling “free”. I think people, especially without kids, underestimate how stupid and rash kids are honestly.

 

[MegaBlue05]

What are your favorite metal bands. Not counting the stuff most people have heard of that typically made it on the radio back when rock wasn't an afterthought in the national landscape. You know like Metallica, Disturbed, etc., not that type of stuff.

So the "deep cuts" basically.

Thrash is my favorite subgenre (showing my age agaim). Of course I like the “Big 4” (Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax) and also like Testament, Death Angel, Overkill, Exodus and old Sepultura from the old guard and newer thrash acts like Havok, Warbringer, Power Trip and Evile.

My top 5 favorite less well known metal bands (in no order)
Machine Head
Annihilator
Killer Be Killed (super group)
Acid Bath
Whiplash

I listen to most subs, but am not super big on the cookie monster or hissing snake style of vocals, so death metal and black metal are probably my least favorite subgenres. I enjoy thrash, crossover thrash, prog, groove, NWOBHM, sludge, stoner and traditional heavy metal. I even have a nostalgic soft spot for the 80s glam stuff, but generally classify it more as hard rock than metal.

 

[JumperJack]

I think you're misrepresenting what's happening. 99.999% of people don't think small children should be taught the gritty details of sexual identity or preference. But kids talk and they aren't completely oblivious to the world around them. And kids talk about how Johnnie or Susie have two dads or two moms. This simply allows a teacher to acknowledge that non-traditional families exist, or for a child to show something in show and tell and say something like "My dads gave me this for my birthday", or for there to be a lesson where a kid draws their family and it happens to be a non-traditional one.

By the way, being straight is sexual identity or preference too. So a teacher having a picture of them and their heterosexual spouse, or a child talking about their heterosexual parents is technically "allowing sexual preference into the classroom".

Instead of vague bans on certain topics that are incredibly sloppily written (cough...Florida...cough), why can't we just leave it up to teachers to do what they've devoted their life to doing and deal with the incredibly rare and isolated incidents of inappropriateness or misconduct when they happen?

A teacher acknowledging that there are different families and different thoughts about the ways that adults interpret their own lives is about a 2 or 3 minute discussion. Any decent teacher redirects their kids back onto the lesson after that.

How isolated is it, in the scale of thousands of classrooms? I don’t know. I do know via Twitter, there are many teachers and now districts who want to make this a front and center subject, not a peripheral thing. A cursory search reveals as much.

 

[PTI (pti)]

I get all my real life answers from Twitter.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Could the lessening of the stigma of LGBT lifestyles also play a role?

In my day anyone who wasn’t straight remained in the closet until adulthood because being openly gay in high school was social suicide because of the social stigma. Now, kids seem to be more comfortable with who they are. As I mentioned in my previous post, sometimes you can easily tell which kids are “different” in elementary school. These kids have always existed, but they didn’t feel comfortable expressing that to their peers until recently.

Similarly, folks used to hide/deny interracial relationships because of the former social stigma surrounding that, but now you see these relationships quite often.

I know that is the typical response. But, that response does not work for middle schoolers. Maybe for some adults who have struggled, but not for middle schoolers. And, what researchers are seeing is that groups of girls are so identifying when they have a friend who has or when they have been exposed to the subject in an influential manner. And, unfortunately, many repeat the same phrases and angst to their parents, even when their parents are supportive, suggesting a social media influence, because the reactions are so negatively similar, even when supported.

There were a number of gay men who were in my circle in HS and college in the 80s. They, then, were admittedly still dealing with negative reactions, but many were open about their sexuality and no problems. This century has been nothing like even the 80s. Lesbian women have admitted to feeling pressure in groups to identify as trans, because of the social aspect to the identity.

I don’t think anyone who has researched the issue thinks environment plays no role. So, if we admit that trans kids suffer from emotional problems and are often suicidal, we certainly don’t want to environmentally influence that kind of pain.

 

[JumperJack]

I get all my real life answers from Twitter.

Zing!

 

[UKMKG]

The secular leftists want nothing more than to alienate your children from you via indoctrination and proselytization. John Dewey said it himself upon the foundation of “common education” over 100 years ago.

Don’t let them.

 

[UKMKG]

We're up to our neck in national debt, our interstates and bridges are collapsing, millions addicted to prescription pills, people shooting each other up every week, but BY GAWD we're gonna give this culture war all we got before any of that!

The Economy
Infrastructure
National Security

All the rest is team politics masturbation.

Let’s assume the issues you mentioned are paramount.

Are you suggesting the way we educate and raise our children isn’t critical to solving said issues?

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Let’s assume the issues you mentioned are paramount.

Are you suggesting the way we educate and raise our children isn’t critical to solving said issues?

I’m finding that a lot of folks who say “no” don’t have kids in FCPS.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

My take is, while I don’t think kindergarten students should be learning about sex and they won’t be, I do know gay kids exist long before high school and college. I do think the topic of orientation/identity should be addressed when kids are learning sex ed somewhere between 4th and 6th grade. Everyone isn’t born straight and you can’t teach someone to be straight, gay or trans. You either are or aren’t. I know I never made a conscious decision to be attracted to women only.

Maybe lifting the ban is about promoting tolerance and acceptance of others so the rampant bullying of “different” kids won’t be as prevalent as it was in my day.

Anecdotally, I went to elementary school with two boys in my graduating class who were much different than the rest of us boys. They ate lunch with the girls, played with the girls at recess, were more interested in playing house with the girls than playground football with the guys, dressed more formal/feminine than most of us, etc. These guys both came out publicly as gay in their late 20s/early 30s and nobody was shocked. These two were bullied mercilessly and called “f-gs” literally every day all the way through high school. I would be lying if I said I didn’t participate in the name calling at times. I regret it, and can admit I was ignorant.

I also played youth baseball and basketball with a dude who was pretty effeminate as a kid and who used to like to dress in drag for Halloween as a “joke” when we were in high school. He never was a hit with the ladies, had a short, failed marriage shortly after high school and lived a miserable life for a long time. Now, this person has big fake boobs, wears dresses and lives happily as a woman. I think it’s weird and not something I’d do, but if that makes them happy, I seriously DGAF.

TL;DR: I don’t approve of sex ed type discussions for kids younger than 10, but don’t mind acknowledging that gay and trans people do exist and should still be treated as human from late elementary through high school. And, if you’re someone who doesn’t believe all folks should be treated fairly and equally based on their sexual orientation/identity, private religious schools might be a better fit than public schools.

I'm pretty much in agreement with this. I don't think anyone here thinks we SHOULDN'T learn tolerance and about the existence of gay, lesbian, etc. And that these are people no different than you or I, deserving of the same rights and respect.

I'm just not sure HOW much class time is needed for the above. It's not like we currently have classes on racial inclusion. And that's not because I think extra time and attention will turn kids gay or anything.. more so that I think there's diminishing returns on spending entire blocks of time on this topic, that could be better spent elsewhere.

It's kind of like the HR mandated training every year on sexual harassment. That's the perfect amount to time to remind a perv like me, that I can't walk around the office clapping cheeks. Meanwhile we save the weekly webinars for actual work-related topics.

 

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Typical fear-mongering from the right. What's really going to happen is that schools will be able to continue to teach sex-ed, which includes teaching girls about periods and how to deal with them, which is a good thing believe it or not.