Duke vs Virginia Union
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This morgan guy lost all credibility on this discussion when he said Rupp wasn't racist. Even most UK fans will admit that. But thats not a knock on him as a coach the man won in an era dominated by mostly white teams, hate him as much as i do can't deny he could coach. Nor should this be a knock against modern day UK. Those days racism was rampant in just about every major program Duke included. (I just personally don't like UK playing in an arena named after him, we will take down Confederate statues due to racisim but ignore it in basketball just my opinion)
K, Cal, just about every coach that wants to win will recruit a kid based on talent. Race really has nothing to do with it. Your perception of duke being a white dominant school is based off what the media has fed you. As i said for every significant white duke player there has been a black player just as important if not more on the team.
K, Cal, just about every coach that wants to win will recruit a kid based on talent. Race really has nothing to do with it. Your perception of duke being a white dominant school is based off what the media has fed you. As i said for every significant white duke player there has been a black player just as important if not more on the team.
If you investigate Rupp a little, instead of taking the ESPN version as hard evidence, you may find that Rupp was not a racist, but more of a person of his times. Being a member of the SEC, he could not take a black player to any of the away games, because the kid couldn't stay with the team. He had to stay in another hotel. Rupp had to promise a mother that her son would not be in any danger while in his care, and he couldn't do that knowing he had to take his team to Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, etc. If you will be open-minded enough to actually look into this, instead of just quoting others who keep promoting this skewed view, I think you will find that Adolph went out of his way to help black players get scholarships, take them onto all-star teams he coached, and was fair. When he coached HS, he had several black players on his team. Did he just become racist when he came to UK? Of course not. In today's society, where everyone is labeled as sexist, racist, facist, extremist, etc. it just seems that it is easier for the media to call Rupp racist, than to actually investigate to find the truth. Trying to hurt UK doesn't help, either.
Hayes was only 6'6 and he did damn well in the post. L. Baxter was really not even 6'6 .. more like 6'5 if not shorter and was a star post player for Maryland that won a title. Charles Barkley... etc. We dont know yet if Zion can do the things he does against players taller than him because so far they've all been shorter than him this fall but the guy has an amazing skill to where he can contort his body and make difficult shots down low look easy.
No different than when black people were proud that Barack Hussein O became President. Nothing wrong with showing a little pride. But white guilt has gotten out of hand from both sides.
Am I not allowed to love my son? he's white unfortunately ..... dont wanna be racist
Lets stop fudging pretending ......... its about UK....... and our fans. If this was any other school no one would give a crap but people want UK fans to feel guilty or bad . No one is making UVA fans guilty for loving Kyle Mann...... No one tried to make UNC fans feel guilty for loving Hansbrough .............
Lets stop fudging pretending ......... its about UK....... and our fans. If this was any other school no one would give a crap but people want UK fans to feel guilty or bad . No one is making UVA fans guilty for loving Kyle Mann...... No one tried to make UNC fans feel guilty for loving Hansbrough .............
Just informed my wife of the bad news we have to divorce. She didnt understand that we can only have people of other colors be special to us.. Any female asians around... ? I'm gonna be looking for a new wife it seems
Life throws one a curve at times. But don't feel bad because this is an illness that is threatening families all over America. Be careful with the Asians though. They are discriminated against at Harvard University so if you have a child who turns out to be brilliant (good chance with Asians genes) he/she might have to go to a Junior College. Too smart for the Ivy League.
What is this thread? 4 pages of race bait trash.
Anyways good game by Duke. RJ and Zion showed out. I would say at this point I predict UK 84 - Duke 80. Close game and will be fun. Duke needs to work on their transition defense if they want to become truly special. It was pretty bad that game.
Anyways good game by Duke. RJ and Zion showed out. I would say at this point I predict UK 84 - Duke 80. Close game and will be fun. Duke needs to work on their transition defense if they want to become truly special. It was pretty bad that game.
Good points....no question williamson is gonna be a load. I just hate coach K and Duke and hate even more they are gonn get away with playing him when he should be ineligible
That is an interesting take for sure. I grew up in eastern ky; a place always looked at by outsiders as being a wasteland for racists. However, I never really noticed anything like that, although I am certain that if I were black perhaps there are some situations that may make me put up my antennas; where as being a white man I never thought anything of it.
My only question to you about the whole Duke thing would be, how would you explain their 92 team? I ask that because it was perhaps their most "whitest" team ever with Laettner and Hurley as the forefront. However, on that team you also had Grant Hill, Brian Davis, Thomas Hill, Antonio Lang, and those are just the black players that I remember.
Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion; I just find that I feel Coach K most likely only cares about winning, versus what color a kid is. Would you consider programs like Wisconsin and Stanford racist? They both typically have a lot of white players on their teams as well.
Zion is legit. We all wanted him and he is a great player. I hope he sucks against us and we beat Duke in the ground but I won't say unfounded things about him as he is actually way more complete than I ever imagined he would be. His stamina is his main issue imo.
Yes it seems that whites supporting whites is racist now. White pride is nazism and it is ridiculous.
Um, I don't think you are in a position to speak for most UK fans. I'm 55, but I don't even remember seeing Rupp on the sidelines. I'm sure I did, but wasn't really old enough to make any informed decision about the man. But please, show us the apparent mountain of evidence that shows he was a racist.
He blew himself up by acting like a child. Having emotions is fine, but very few players show that emotion by repeatedly tripping other players.
Curious that no one is mentioning that the game is being played in Indy and that UK will have at least 14-15,000 maniacs in there. With significant advantages in depth, shooting and experience- plus a home crowd- Kentucky will kick their frosh asses.
What in the world are you blabbing on about? Duke's 4 best players this year are black.
Dude just stop, Reddish is higher rated than Barrett according to nearly every recruiting index. He is higher on the draft boards too.
https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2018-final
1. Barrett
2. Reddish
4. Zion
12. Keldon Johnson
13. Ashton Hagans
14. Tre Jones
UK fans can spin it however they want but the hoops experts around the country rate Tre and Ashton as being similar quality PGs and Reddish to be better than Keldon Johnson.
If you want to say that Travis, PJ and Quade have more experience, then sure but you're ignoring Javin DeLaurier who's a quality upperclassmen for Duke that's been a better rebounder than Travis in the time he's been on the court.
You guys are way overrating depth. You can only play 5 players at once. It"ll be Hagans/Herro/KJ/PJ/Travis for UK at crunch time vs Trae/Barrett/Reddish/Zion/Javin so that's the comparison that matters here.
1. Barrett
2. Reddish
4. Zion
12. Keldon Johnson
13. Ashton Hagans
14. Tre Jones
UK fans can spin it however they want but the hoops experts around the country rate Tre and Ashton as being similar quality PGs and Reddish to be better than Keldon Johnson.
If you want to say that Travis, PJ and Quade have more experience, then sure but you're ignoring Javin DeLaurier who's a quality upperclassmen for Duke that's been a better rebounder than Travis in the time he's been on the court.
You guys are way overrating depth. You can only play 5 players at once. It"ll be Hagans/Herro/KJ/PJ/Travis for UK at crunch time vs Trae/Barrett/Reddish/Zion/Javin so that's the comparison that matters here.
I don’t give a shit what draft boards you’re going by. I’m talking about right now, in college. Barrett is your best player, not Reddish.
I get his premise. I get what hes saying as far as impacting categories of the team. My point was that great players impact the game greatly. Do we have a better player than Barrett? At least Barrett come March? I'm not so sure Morg and that's not knocking any of our players, just giving props where it is deserved. The best players impact the game in various ways and not all of them show up in the stats category. My point was just that all great players are impactful and his comment stating it is delusional to think that Duke has the 3 best players is absurd. It's not delusional to think they have the best 3 players. That's all I was responding to. I think we have the better compliment of winning players on our team. Do they have the 3 best individual players? Maybe so but I think we have the best players that play winning basketball and the players that do what is necessary to win basketball games. I would rather have a collection of winning players that make winning plays rather than the 3 best players that do alot of the same things great. Actually, he may be saying the same thing I am just in a different way. Lol. But anyway, I like our team!!!
All I know is that if Duke doesn't at least make the F4 with (potentially) 3 top 10 draft picks, K should just hang it up. Having a high lotto pick at 3 of the 5 positions, really hard to see how that doesn't work.
Although agree that I'd give UK the edge in a couple of weeks. Duke won't have seen anywhere close to that level of defensive pressure.
https://247sports.com/LongFormArtic...rett-leads-ranking-of-best-players-123707926/
Although agree that I'd give UK the edge in a couple of weeks. Duke won't have seen anywhere close to that level of defensive pressure.
https://247sports.com/LongFormArtic...rett-leads-ranking-of-best-players-123707926/
Just looking at rankings on a paper and not the overall picture of your team.. You better hope your "big three" can get to the rim at will, only for sure offense you will have..
Pretty much what I think happens. My guess is it's a relatively close first half and then UK goes on a nice run to open the second half, threatening to run Duke out of the gym. But the Cats take the foot off the gas a bit and go cold from the field while Duke hits a few threes to get back in it. However, Duke wears down after getting the lead down to two possessions and UK wins by that 6-8 point margin.
Lol. Keep telling yourself that depth doesn’t matter. Idiotic.
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He's got nothing to worry about at Duke. Now if he went to Kansas...Virginia Union isn't used to 5 on 8
Maybe so if UK brings their women's team instead of the men's team.
Mighty #347 in the CBS rankings of all 353 teams!
Okafor ranked higher than KAT before the '15 season. So rankings only matter up to a point.
And if DeLaurier is on the same level as Washington, Green, and Travis, then Duke goes 40-0 this season.
If someone thinks Delaurier is on level of our bigs....... dont even bother arguing because their devil tinted glasses are too thick to see reality.
So does Bryan Long and Sam Malone but that don't mean they are great players.
Ehhhh, I think you may find it's quite a bit different. I think you'll find he was the first black president in US history. In a country that allowed slavery of black people for centuries and took another century to get equal protections and rights. I think that's probably quite a bit bigger deal than another white basketball player joining a team that historically has had a lot of white players be successful. Most black people don't identify with him solely based on race, but it was historical that someone identifying as a race that had never been represented in that office was finally able to achieve it after centuries of not even having the right, or any rights.
Could a brunette only identify with a brunette player, or ginger with a ginger? Why limit it to skin color? Why not hair color, eye color?
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Would these be the same experts who rated Duval higher than SGA just last year? How did that work out again?
I'm fairly certain your starting fives were better than South Carolina and Kansas the last two years, too. How'd that work out for you?
I'm disappointed in you. I thought you were not one of those guys who so easily dismisses the complexity of what it actually takes to win a basketball game.
And this call to buy stock in DeLaurier is the weirdest argument I've ever seen from a Duke fan. Whatever helps you guys sleep at night as you visually try to construct a complete team in your minds...
I have zero doubt Zion can do the same Vs bigger players. When he was at Adidas nations he played Vs bigger top players in those games and against some college big guys when they had their games after the Adidas games and Zion scored almost easier because he takes bigger guys off the dribble. Did the same as a soph at the NBPA camp where all the PF and C were taller than him and got MVP.
The thing some ignore is the fact that he is very quick and handles the ball very well for a PF. He’s basically like those prototypes that tenn has except more athletic and stronger. Also like a more athletic Bonzie Colson but doesn’t shoot as well. But if you watch Bonzie he didn’t kill you with being a great shooter.
Also I played with Lonny Baxter, he wasn’t that tall but he was a legit 6’6 and some change without shoes, people put too much emphasis in height but if you are strong and have post moves you can score on bigs as easily as y’all guys can. The issue happens when you are at a stand still and go straight up with a big but basketball is a moving sport so you rarely have that happen
The thing some ignore is the fact that he is very quick and handles the ball very well for a PF. He’s basically like those prototypes that tenn has except more athletic and stronger. Also like a more athletic Bonzie Colson but doesn’t shoot as well. But if you watch Bonzie he didn’t kill you with being a great shooter.
Also I played with Lonny Baxter, he wasn’t that tall but he was a legit 6’6 and some change without shoes, people put too much emphasis in height but if you are strong and have post moves you can score on bigs as easily as y’all guys can. The issue happens when you are at a stand still and go straight up with a big but basketball is a moving sport so you rarely have that happen
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