Dan Kane bringing it as usual, new UNC*** cheat article
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Agreed. Despite what Carolina and the NCAA might like to think. This scandal will not be done even with a final verdict.
The strench and fallout will continue for many years to come, because there's just so much corruption that has gone on, and continues to go on in Chapel Hill.
And if it happens to envelop the NCAA, an organization that to date has acted more like a co-conspirator than a governing body, then I'm sure there's plenty of corruption to be revealed in Indianapolis as well.
HELL OF A POST CLEVENGER
This is exactly how I feel and I've tried to express it to friends and most just don't understand.
I too, am done with college athletics if UNC does not get hammered, for the same reasons you stated.
Told my wife and family and friends, none believe me because i'm so hard core UK fan, but even if we are some amazing team next year I will be weaning off.
Another article on UNC scandal and the NCAA:
At North Carolina, the NCAA is investigating the role of athletic department staffers in steering athletes toward bogus independent studies classes. The NCAA took a while to become involved in North Carolina's issues because the fake classes were available to all students, not just athletes. Emmert has said, without being specific, the conclusion of that investigation is near.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaa-trying-bring-clarity-academic-misconduct-cases-162105425--spt.html
The bold part above is simply NOT true. Those classes were not available to all students. They were only available to those students who were hand selected by certain people. Remember the email about the "goober" from the frat circuit who was looking for what basically was free credit for doing nothing? There was a clear indication that these classes were only for some and not all.
At North Carolina, the NCAA is investigating the role of athletic department staffers in steering athletes toward bogus independent studies classes. The NCAA took a while to become involved in North Carolina's issues because the fake classes were available to all students, not just athletes. Emmert has said, without being specific, the conclusion of that investigation is near.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaa-trying-bring-clarity-academic-misconduct-cases-162105425--spt.html
The bold part above is simply NOT true. Those classes were not available to all students. They were only available to those students who were hand selected by certain people. Remember the email about the "goober" from the frat circuit who was looking for what basically was free credit for doing nothing? There was a clear indication that these classes were only for some and not all.
In some of the information dredged up in the Wainstein investigation was correspondence with Debbie Crowder where she basically admitted that she needed to have a certain number of 'non-athletes' in the classes so that it wasn't so obvious that they were designed to keep athletes eligible.
That by itself is enough to completely throw out UNC's claims that this is not an athletic issue.
Beyond that, it has always been the case that the only issue is whether athletes received benefits which allowed them to remain eligible, and without which they would not be eligible to compete. If that is found true, then those athletes should not have been eligible and UNC should pay the punishment accordingly. Whether other non-athletes also took part is immaterial.
Third, a point which I've mentioned numerous times which seems to always be lost by the media, is that no one has fully defined what exactly is an 'athlete' and what is a 'non-athlete'.
This is important because, for example, in the past UNC has tried to claim that former athletes who were no longer athletically eligible (but for whom they want to take credit in terms of graduation rate etc.) were 'non-athletes'. Or potentially players who were redshirting at the time etc.
I think that if you account for these people, along with managers, walk-ons, girlfriends of players and other athletic-related personnel and hangers-on etc., the actual number of people taking these bogus classes who are related to athletics in some way is much higher than UNC (and now the NCAA) wants the general public to know.
Sure hope Villanova wins. As far as I know, Villanova hasn't been accused of cheating since 1971 when they vacated their NCAA appearance...Howard Porter. They took their medicine like all others through the years until the greatest cheaters of all time move towards beating the wrap thanks to ESPN Emmert and other enablers. I will just spend more time on what is more important....my wife, my children, my grandchildren. I sure hope justice is served.
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Watched the ESPN pre game and it was pretty sickening how Rece Davis kept mentioning the fact that 1500 non athletes were also in those courses - like that makes it any better. The fact is UNC for decades cheated the system and had athletes eligible due to them taking fake classes, tutors and advisors grading the papers which is a violation and cheating, and athletes in some cases taking 12 hours of independent study courses in one semester to stay eligible.
I think the issue most people have is that SMU, Hawaii, and other schools have 1-2 athletes with the same issues and they were quickly ineligible - UNC is just dragging on for years. Amazingly this would have fallen on deaf ears except for people like Dan Kane and PackPride who continue to shed light and provide info.
I think the issue most people have is that SMU, Hawaii, and other schools have 1-2 athletes with the same issues and they were quickly ineligible - UNC is just dragging on for years. Amazingly this would have fallen on deaf ears except for people like Dan Kane and PackPride who continue to shed light and provide info.
It certainly seems that way doesn't it?
I have worked for the last 28 at years....at a SEC institution and a Sunbelt institution. I have observed "academic politics." They are the worst because the stakes are so low. Carnage caused by decisions of an academic structure, are of no consequence to academics. They pick and choose who they are going to take care of and who they are going after. They have a rule book as thick as an old New York City phone book, 4 font, and if they want to use to nail a Cleveland State, SMU, UK, whoever, they will do it. If they do not, want to take care of one their own, they look they other way...see the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill.
The Council reviewing what to do with one of their own, is causing a lot of stress. They are faced with the greatest cheater of all time, being one of their own. The farce started by Dean E. Smith and perpetuated through the "Carolina Way" has been spun and kept out of general public site by ESPN and other talking heads trying to protect the farce. If such documentation was availed for an institution of the NCAA that was not "one of their own," the book would have been thrown at that institution. The sentence would have been already handed down.
It is an uncomfortable situation that the NCAA has in that this North Carolina team represents the first national championship contender that NC has had since 1982 that was not a cheater. If Villanova does not win Monday, and, I sure as hell hope the Mainline Wildcats can pull it off, this will at least make the Committee on Infractions spotlight a little brighter on they treat "one of their own."
If they let "one of their own" skate or get by with a slap on the wrist, every President and Athletics Director of the Power 5 conferences ought to storm headquarters in Indianapolis and withdraw from the NCAA and, they as a new independent body ought nail North Carolina to the wall. No longer an NCAA member, they could not take away the 1993, 2005, and 2009...maybe 2016 (go Mainline Wildcats), but they could at least put them in timeout for 5 years and limit scholarships.
IF, they skate or get minimal sanctions and the power 5 say nothing, then all of us, graduates of power 5 schools including my alma mater and the school I have love for 50 years, should vote with our wallets, and say NO MORE. We can all find new hobbies....it will be a cruel withdrawl but we can do it....just hope we don't have to do it.
I have worked for the last 28 at years....at a SEC institution and a Sunbelt institution. I have observed "academic politics." They are the worst because the stakes are so low. Carnage caused by decisions of an academic structure, are of no consequence to academics. They pick and choose who they are going to take care of and who they are going after. They have a rule book as thick as an old New York City phone book, 4 font, and if they want to use to nail a Cleveland State, SMU, UK, whoever, they will do it. If they do not, want to take care of one their own, they look they other way...see the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill.
The Council reviewing what to do with one of their own, is causing a lot of stress. They are faced with the greatest cheater of all time, being one of their own. The farce started by Dean E. Smith and perpetuated through the "Carolina Way" has been spun and kept out of general public site by ESPN and other talking heads trying to protect the farce. If such documentation was availed for an institution of the NCAA that was not "one of their own," the book would have been thrown at that institution. The sentence would have been already handed down.
It is an uncomfortable situation that the NCAA has in that this North Carolina team represents the first national championship contender that NC has had since 1982 that was not a cheater. If Villanova does not win Monday, and, I sure as hell hope the Mainline Wildcats can pull it off, this will at least make the Committee on Infractions spotlight a little brighter on they treat "one of their own."
If they let "one of their own" skate or get by with a slap on the wrist, every President and Athletics Director of the Power 5 conferences ought to storm headquarters in Indianapolis and withdraw from the NCAA and, they as a new independent body ought nail North Carolina to the wall. No longer an NCAA member, they could not take away the 1993, 2005, and 2009...maybe 2016 (go Mainline Wildcats), but they could at least put them in timeout for 5 years and limit scholarships.
IF, they skate or get minimal sanctions and the power 5 say nothing, then all of us, graduates of power 5 schools including my alma mater and the school I have love for 50 years, should vote with our wallets, and say NO MORE. We can all find new hobbies....it will be a cruel withdrawl but we can do it....just hope we don't have to do it.
Clevenger - excellent points. The other thing that does not help and many are not aware of is the ESPN head (John Skipper) is a UNC grad, and this might explain the complete lack of coverage on this matter. Not a conspiracy theorist but seems odd they keep showing UK in a negative light with the Texas Western game and show nothing about UNC and the ridiculous amount of cheating that has gone on there.
ESPN has an agenda just like CNN, MSNBC, FOX, New York Times, etc. I only watch ESPN networks when UK is on and turn down the sound. I have no interest in what any of them have say about my school. If North Carolina skates, I will not even do that. I will begin weaning myself of 50 years of following my alma mater by just going back to listening on the radio and try to move off of that. At my age I have 20-30 years left God willing. I need to find a new hobby if justice is not done by the NCAA...probably would lead to a less stressful and happy life
College bb has become corrupted at the enforcement level , the governing body is now the biggest criminal . They went from trying to keep the game clean by handing out significant penalties to trying to help false schools they hold as their ideal model in escaping penalties for massive cheating . I don't look at the game as I used to when you thought there was a level playing field and if you got caught doing wrong then you were held responsible for it . The NCAA tampers with the game to maximize the appeal for more money . They don't care about anything but profit , they are in fact a business and behave as one . I'll always be a UK fan but not necessarily a college bb fan .
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I'm beginning to take your position on this. I live down here in NC and I am completely disillusioned.
What is unfathomable to me is that the NCAA can get away with denying a young man like Enes Kanter the right to play at least part of a season for the program he has chosen, based entirely on their own ideas of what constitutes amateur status.
Yet, may very well allow 20 years of academic deceit and out right fraud to go unpunished simply because of the name on the uniform. There are simply no words to describe such a hypocrisy and injustice.
As I've said in other threads, this is the NCAA's litmus test. Failure to act accordingly will have fair reaching consequences. Either positive or negative. Member institutions will see the forthcoming NCAA verdict as either a unprecedented crack of the discipline whip or a signal that some member institutions are a little more equal than others.
Yet, may very well allow 20 years of academic deceit and out right fraud to go unpunished simply because of the name on the uniform. There are simply no words to describe such a hypocrisy and injustice.
As I've said in other threads, this is the NCAA's litmus test. Failure to act accordingly will have fair reaching consequences. Either positive or negative. Member institutions will see the forthcoming NCAA verdict as either a unprecedented crack of the discipline whip or a signal that some member institutions are a little more equal than others.
Thinking how ncaa screwed Kanter and now UNC*** possibly walking.... boils your blood.
Ncaa should disband if sever punishment doesnt come down..
And if it doesnr disband...which it wont...
Then i think UK should go ahead and set up free grades for our athletes if they dont want to do school work..
Then we could maybe keep nba pro prospects like Carolina did for years.
Doron lamb hated school supposedly..maybe he would have stayed all 4 years like he should have if it was a party and no school work.
Yep, he still maintains that men's basketball was not named in the allegations, but...
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Interesting excerpt below from pages 51-52 of Roy's autobiography, "Hard Work." Great catch by @dukedevilz:
In the final summer of my graduate school year, I needed two more courses to get my degree. One was required and the other I wanted to be really easy. I heard about a guidance counseling course taught by Dr. Perry. I’d heard it had no tests, no papers, and no projects. That was my kind of class. My roommate, Roy Barnes and I went to find out about it and were told it was full. So I told Roy that we were going to see Dr. Perry at his house. Roy didn’t want to go, so he hid behind a bush when I knocked on Dr. Perry’s door.
When he opened the door, I said, “Dr. Perry, my name is Roy Williams. I’m in graduate school in health and physical education finishing my master’s. I need one more course to graduate. I would like to take your course, but they said the only I could get in was with professor approval. Dr. Perry, this is it for me. They told me your course has no tests, no papers, no projects — and I’m being honest with you, that’s what I want. I can contribute to the class with the best of them. Will you let me in?”
Roy priding himself on being the best at contributing to a class that has no work? Interesting.
In the final summer of my graduate school year, I needed two more courses to get my degree. One was required and the other I wanted to be really easy. I heard about a guidance counseling course taught by Dr. Perry. I’d heard it had no tests, no papers, and no projects. That was my kind of class. My roommate, Roy Barnes and I went to find out about it and were told it was full. So I told Roy that we were going to see Dr. Perry at his house. Roy didn’t want to go, so he hid behind a bush when I knocked on Dr. Perry’s door.
When he opened the door, I said, “Dr. Perry, my name is Roy Williams. I’m in graduate school in health and physical education finishing my master’s. I need one more course to graduate. I would like to take your course, but they said the only I could get in was with professor approval. Dr. Perry, this is it for me. They told me your course has no tests, no papers, no projects — and I’m being honest with you, that’s what I want. I can contribute to the class with the best of them. Will you let me in?”
Roy priding himself on being the best at contributing to a class that has no work? Interesting.
Please. The NCAA jumps through hoops to explain away their ridiculous decisions. It will be a piece of cake for them to come up with some cockamamie reason not to.
Could not disagree more. There is nothing more American than tearing down the champ. A title win tonight means Morley Safer and crew come knocking by the end of the week. The media backlash will be delicious.
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