Dan Kane bringing it as usual, new UNC*** cheat article

[dynastydreamuk]

I agree that's how they should deal with it but I don't think that's what they'll do. They should have had the same information that Kane reported in his article, yet they chose to charge UNC with violating the 12 hour rule beginning in '06. If they aren't complicit in a coverup and trying to protect their banners, why wouldn't go back to the date of that email to begin charging UNC with violating the 12 hour rule, and they seem to be ignoring the fake lecture classes altogether.

NCAA ruling on this matter will determine their ultimate fate.
If they don't do what is right it will be the beginning of the end and nobody will take them serious.

The o-bannon ruling just cam down though for millions of dollars and the other lawsuit NCAA is involved in may push their hand to act on UNC, that's the onlly realy hope.

But yea all the evidence is there to show that UNC deserves basically around 15 years completely vacated.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

So they...ahem..."misinformed" both the NCAA and the accreditation commission about the year the 12 hour independent study limit was put into place.

Woah boy this should be good.

Insane, right? How the F#CK are the NCAA and SACS letting them skate on this? Now they're caught redhanded, AGAIN, and relying on semantics to explain away a blatant lie.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

KABOOM!!!! ROY! Hope that the national media picks up on this and Ol' Roy has to sweat it out during the press conferences!

But but but!!!! Nobody has ever questioned his integrity!!

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Where are those tarhole fans who state nothing happened?

My guess would be WalMart.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

And even worse, having their players fake learning disabilities so they could get Adderall.

I'm surprised this isn't getting more press.

 

[FilsonCat]

You can't spell corruption without UNC. The coverage of this entire scandal has been disgusting. I am hoping that Mark Emmert gets what he has coming to him. He is a scumbag and a charlatan.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Another interesting piece about this latest information. Apologies to those who refuse to read a Duke site, though you don't have to click the link and can just read the article below:

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2016/4/1/11344032/unc-scandal-the-n-o-raises-more-kane

There used to be a joke that the one thing no one wanted to hear was that 60 Minutes is calling.

At UNC for the last several years, people must feel that way about the N&O's Dan Kane.

Kane has dug into the academic fraud scandal like no other reporter and on Thursday, he dropped another significant bomb.

Throughout the scandal, UNC has maintained to the public, the NCAA and SACS (Southern Association of Colleges and Schools) that a 12-hour limit was placed on independent study classes in 2006. Prior to that, the university has maintained, there was no limit in place.

However, Kane has established that is not the case: " [A] new document released by the university in March shows that the limit on independent studies started before 2003. Other evidence suggests that the limit was in place since the early 1990s."

This is significant for at least three reasons:

1. The university has misled the NCAA and SACS, and not for the first time.
2. With this information, the number of ineligible players the NCAA is looking at goes from 10 to nearly 150.
3. If the scandal is pushed back into the early 1990s, Dean Smith's legacy is at risk.

Let's be clear: whatever happens with NCAA is child's play. SACS wrote a letter to UNC previously which expressed serious irritation at being misled. They won't appreciate a repeat occurrence. SACS has the ability to put UNC on probation, which it currently is. It can also strip UNC of accreditation. You do not play with this organization.

That said, if the NCAA is dealing with 100+ players instead of 10, things change dramatically. UNC is already facing very serious allegations. No one has any idea what the NCAA is going to do, but options range from the usual scholarship and post-season restrictions to vacating the 2005 and 2009 titles to stripping the university of any number of wins during the years of the scandal. Heavy financial penalties are also possible.

Then there's the question of just when it started. We've told you before that we first heard about UNC using the African and Afro-American Studies program to get players through in 2002.

Specifically, we heard it while standing outside Cameron on March 3rd, close enough to the UNC team bus to see the players, who had just taken an epic beating, losing 93-68.

Obviously you can't prove anything based on what we heard in 2002, but we never forgot it, and it was fairly specific: UNC was using a specific department to grease the skids for basketball players.

So it's reasonable to assume this: if we heard about it in Durham in 2002, it had to be going on for a while prior to that point.

And if it dates back to the early 1990s, as Kane says, it dates back to the Smith era.

Obviously no one can ask Smith about it, since he's no longer with us. But that could potentially involve the 1993 championship team and the Final Four teams of 1994-95 and 1996-97.

The other striking thing about this latest revelation is how it fits into UNC's pattern of delay and obfuscation.

The N&O asked for documentation about changes to the 12-hour limit for independent studies prior to 2006. The university denied that it had any.

Repeatedly.

And the university said this to SACS: "Until Fall 2006 there was no defined limit on the number of independent study courses that could be applied toward an undergraduate degree."

And when asked about all of this, Chancellor Carol Folt and Provost James W. Dean Jr. simply forwarded interview requests to a spokesman, who offered no further information.

When she came to UNC, Dr. Folt promised to deal with the scandal openly and honestly. She's done everything but that.

She's become part of the problem. It's time for her to step down, and time for UNC to hire a leader who will actually deal with this comprehensively, once and for all.

 

[FilsonCat]

UNC will never deal with the scandal honestly. It doesn't matter who they hire. The entire althetic culture and administration are rotten to the core.

They are backed into a corner and won't go down without a fight. UNC crossed the line decades ago, and, short of a complete overhaul in their althletic administration, will continue to cheat if allowed to do so.

 

[CatsFan4Evr.]

I think this scandal is enough of an existential threat to the NCAA for it to finally act how we have wanted all along. If the NCAA doesn't act and rule convincingly, member schools will raise absolute hell. There will be lawsuits from schools previously sanctioned...and they will win in court. The NCAA may not have a choice anymore in how it must act.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

From a fellow Duke poster at Devils Illustrated, quoting a friend with connections:

From the poster

"Alright, here is the situation:

As you know, Dan Kane's article from yesterday strongly suggests that there were certain (UNC) university policies in place -- prior to 2006 -- that said that no more than 12 hours worth of Independent Studies courses could count towards graduation.
Those athletes that DID take more than 12 hours of I.S., and it counted towards their cumulative degrees/hours/GPA's, received impermissible benefits in the eyes of the NCAA -- this was all outlined in the NOA.

UNC has said that such a policy was only implemented beginning in 2006 --- and they made sure to tell the NCAA and SACS the same thing.

One might surmise that UNC was trying to prevent the years of 2005 (and earlier) from being affected.
And of course, we all know what happened in 2005 --- they won an NCAA title.

So just for the moment let's all assume that the NCAA chooses to ignore Kane's article, and the strong evidence that he supplies (via UNC's own documentation) that the 12-hour Independent Studies limit extended further back than 2006.
Let's assume that.

And that would be okay...

Because there is another academic policy from within UNC's own documentation that points to another impermissible benefit that at least one of its pre-2006 athletics was given.

UNC releases an Undergraduate Bulletin for each specific "College" every year.
One such release is for the College of Arts and Sciences, and it states the "Regulations and Requirements", as well as the "Policy on Awarding of Undergraduate Degrees and Transcript Notations". Essentially, the "academic rules" of being a student in said college.

There is a section that specifically pertains to Independent Studies, and this section has been consistent and unchanged since the early 2000's. (the bulletins are out there and online, and have been hard-copied saved as well)

That section on Independent Studies states, in part:



A. Students may enroll and begin work at any time during the year. They may be enrolled in a maximum of two courses at any one time. An Independent Studies course enrollment expires nine months from the date of enrollment.


////

As you might recall, Rashad McCants revealed on "Outside the Lines" that he rarely went to class. In fact, he stated that he NEVER went to class during the Spring semester of 2005 -- when UNC won the National Title -- but managed to make the Dean's List.

To bolster his claim of taking easy/no classes that semester, his transcript was shown during that "Outside the Lines" episode. Part of the image shown displayed his Spring 2005 classes:

As you can see, McCants took three no-doubt Independent Studies courses that semester (and likely a fourth course that would also be considered I.S. -- but definitely at least three).

This breaks the university's own policy that states a student "may be enrolled in a maximum of two (Independent Studies) courses at one time".
By being allowed to enroll in more than two I.S. courses, McCants was given an impermissible benefit.
Once he began that semester (in January of 2005) he became (retroactively) ineligible.
That means he was ineligible to participate in the 2005 National Title game -- thus invalidating that game's final result.

Conclusion:
Even if the NCAA does not accept the information provided in Dan Kane's article from yesterday regarding the 12-hour graduation limit on Independent Studies courses (pre-2006), there is another UNC policy that at least one former athlete was allowed to break -- and it was from 2005.

How many other athletes were allowed to take more than two Independent Studies courses at one time, and during which years?
I'm not convinced it's 2005 that UNC is trying to protect.

I think their "2006" cutoff ruse may have been to SUGGEST (to the NCAA and/or others) that 2005 was their concern... but I'm not so sure.
The association needs to take a look at other transcripts. From much earlier."



this is not a paid site so this isn't protected info ....
this poster and another have some very close connections to the COI. they both share when they can and are both confident with what is going to happen. I hope they are right . This is something that's being talked about. Dan kane has been on this for a long time and has been saving info for spots like this. Very crooked place unc is. there will be some more that he mentioned and the other guy as well.

 

[CatsFan4Evr.]

Mark, that post blows my mind. UNC is screwed.

 

[Smashcat]

UNC will never deal with the scandal honestly. It doesn't matter who they hire. The entire althetic culture and administration are rotten to the core.
Absolutely

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Mark, that post blows my mind. UNC is screwed.

I hope you're right.

 

[dynastydreamuk]

From a fellow Duke poster at Devils Illustrated, quoting a friend with connections:

Thanks for that Mark,

I'm following the national board too, and I follow many of the twitter handles that post , blue devilicious has been pulling documents and doing very hard work

@bluedevilicious
@uncmeme

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Thanks for that Mark,

I'm following the national board too, and I follow many of the twitter handles that post , blue devilicious has been pulling documents and doing very hard work

@bluedevilicious
@uncmeme

No worries at all, but all the credit for that post goes to @kailman. He promised to post more info as he gets it. I'll definitely bring it over here. The more exposure, the better.

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

Can you take Pepcid with Co-Colar?

Sincerely,

Roy Williams

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Another post from Devils Illustrated relaying information from his connection:

Just saw this info from the poster

"One other thing real quick regarding Kane's article and the 12-hour Independent Studies "graduation limit" --- according to other documentation from unc itself, that limit has been in place since at least 1980.

1980.

Someone can cross-post this to the "Kane article" thread; time to fly"

 

[KMKAT]

"When she came to UNC, Dr. Folt promised to deal with the scandal openly and honestly. She's done everything but that.

She's become part of the problem. It's time for her to step down, and time for UNC to hire a leader who will actually deal with this comprehensively, once and for all.'

Truer words have never been spoken. Along with Bubba, they have continued to deflect the obvious issues here in that UNC took total advantage of kids by not educating them. Those McCants grades are beyond filthy and prove their guilt.

Thumbs up to Gastineau for his followups for the rest of us who want to see UNC get what is long deserved....taking the gold off the now tarnished Dean Smith and his co-horts who always believed it was vital to keep it in the family and only hire Carolina guys!

Transcripts, NCAA, just go look at the frickin' transcripts! Wainstein has done all the work for your legal cronies!

 

[hotelblue]

not surprised. '93 was dirty and many of us know damn well '82 was as well. they are going for their first title this weekend in my mind. supposedly. look at their '57 roster lmao. that was blatant too.

 

[Willy4UK]

I bet Michael Jordan got paid and took fake classes too

 

[UpstateNYCat]

Burn baby burn.

 

[mrdavisanddd]

I talked to a guy that knew James Worthy and his dad, he told me they were dirt poor but after James signed with Carolina his dad was driving around in a new caddy.

 

[carbonlib23]

i think the tarholes have as much, or more, to fear from SACS, the accrediting agency. Titles, money, ego and "wins" mean more to the fans, but lose the school's accreditation and they are in deep doo doo.......the baby blue sweater vests can't buy their way out of that.....

 

[martinsm30]

i think the tarholes have as much, or more, to fear from SACS, the accrediting agency. Titles, money, ego and "wins" mean more to the fans, but lose the school's accreditation and they are in deep doo doo.......the baby blue sweater vests can't buy their way out of that.....

I am curious if they gave SACS the same line as the NCAA. If they did that might earn UNC a second year of probation. SACS may already be aware of the lie and it was part of the reason UNC is currently on probation.

Bruce Pearl got a nice fat show cause for lying about a barbecue. This is a much bigger lie.

 

[JPScott]

From a fellow Duke poster at Devils Illustrated, quoting a friend with connections:

Just saw this info from the poster

"One other thing real quick regarding Kane's article and the 12-hour Independent Studies "graduation limit" --- according to other documentation from unc itself, that limit has been in place since at least 1980.

1980.

Someone can cross-post this to the "Kane article" thread; time to fly"

Carolina's lawyers have gone into overdrive trying to redefine what an 'independent study' class vs. other terms used through the years, all in an attempt to avoid UNC getting punished for their fraud.

But step away from the lawyer's misdirection and it's obvious from reading the various course catalogs and degree requirements and from anyone who actually has earned a degree, that no respectable department in any institute of higher education is going to allow someone to earn a degree with a disproportionate number of 'independent-study' type classes for credits. This is true whether there's a legally binding written policy in place or not, the intent is clear.

UNC is attacking this as a legal document, when the plain truth is that UNC was obviously committing fraud in order to keep its athletes eligible, in any way they could.

 

[Xception]

not surprised. '93 was dirty and many of us know damn well '82 was as well. they are going for their first title this weekend in my mind. supposedly. look at their '57 roster lmao. that was blatant too.

In all seriousness , it's more than likely that UNC does not have a title when they weren't cheating .

 

[Federal Cat]

Death to the cheaters

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

I admire all the detective work, but...

Women's basketball has been lined up as the sacrificial lamb and it will bear the brunt of the penalties. Football will get hit hard. There will be sound and fury plus peripheral penalties to Men's basketball BUT no wins or banners will be lost so UNC will win. Period. That is what is about to happen.

Then all UNC's talking heads on ESPN and in newspapers across the country will talk about how harsh the penalties were to UNC but secretly UNC will be laughing their rearends off because they got to keep all their wins and banners in men's basketball.

I keep telling you guys it is perfectly clear as to what they are lining this up for that will be publicly digestible. This is the outcome their propaganda has been geared for and this is the outcome they have set the table for. Watch and see.

 

[preacherfan]

But step away from the lawyer's misdirection and it's obvious from reading the various course catalogs and degree requirements and from anyone who actually has earned a degree, that no respectable department in any institute of higher education is going to allow someone to earn a degree with a disproportionate number of 'independent-study' type classes for credits. This is true whether there's a legally binding written policy in place or not, the intent is clear..

If the NCAA doesn't understand that, I feel sorry for them because it means none of them understand how higher education works.

That is an angle that I am surprised hasn't received more attention from the media. And, I am not talking about the ESPN talking heads who may or may not have legit degrees. I am talking about those sports journalists who went to legit colleges and earned legit degrees.

 

[dynastydreamuk]

I admire all the detective work, but...

Women's basketball has been lined up as the sacrificial lamb and it will bear the brunt of the penalties. Football will get hit hard. There will be sound and fury plus peripheral penalties to Men's basketball BUT no wins or banners will be lost so UNC will win. Period. That is what is about to happen.

Then all UNC's talking heads on ESPN and in newspapers across the country will talk about how harsh the penalties were to UNC but secretly UNC will be laughing their rearends off because they got to keep all their wins and banners in men's basketball.

I keep telling you guys it is perfectly clear as to what they are lining this up for that will be publicly digestible. This is the outcome their propaganda has been geared for and this is the outcome they have set the table for. Watch and see.

I actually agree with you Z... it is quite obvious the whole goal is to save mens bb and not vacate any wins that include a banner.

Which is reason for the 2006 cut off date which was a lie as dan kane and others have pointed out... and the NCAA is going along with it...and ESPN crews will go along with it when the deal comes down.

The only hope really is not even all this pressure these articles have created coming down... the real only hope is the lawsuits that may force NCAA hand.

 

[stenchymouse]

I'm surprised that the racial element has been ignored.

Poor black kids, making millions of dollars for UNC, being cheated out of their education.

Making "African American Studies" the fake classes is a slap in the face to minorities in general.

They figured that nobody would be suspicious of clusters of black athletes majoring in African American Studies.

All the black athletes that had to rely on their education to make a living after college should sue UNC!!

 

[kyjeff1]

UNC is lying to the NCAA and the NCAA wants to be lied to . I suspect the NCAA has coached and collaborated with UNC on how to get out of this .

THIS, this right here is exactly what's happening. The NCAA wants to be lied to. They absolutely do not want to punish UNC and it's obvious to everyone. They are literally trying to look the other way and are coaching UNC through this.
Heck, Huckleberry Hound should take notes on the coaching job the NCAA is displaying right now, he would definitely learn more about defense.

 

[kyjeff1]

NCAA ruling on this matter will determine their ultimate fate.
If they don't do what is right it will be the beginning of the end and nobody will take them serious.

The o-bannon ruling just cam down though for millions of dollars and the other lawsuit NCAA is involved in may push their hand to act on UNC, that's the onlly realy hope.

But yea all the evidence is there to show that UNC deserves basically around 15 years completely vacated.

But what can anybody do about it if the NCAA looks the other way on this? There isn't a higher governing body that can do a thing about it and the NCAA knows it.
I just don't see all the other universities banding together to move away from the NCAA.

 

[clevenger32]

Been following UK basketball for 50 years. My close involvement with the program occurred between 1966 and 1978. From '78 to today, I still follow but not in detail, I have a love for my alma mater. I also follow UK football and baseball. UK athletics have been a passion, hobby, an interest. Throughout the years of this hobby, it has always bothered me, and maybe a lot of fanbases think the same way, but there are a lot of thoughts of anti-my school. We have had our bouts with rules violations. With basketball, it has been over a quarter of a century...but in many circles, media, other fan bases, we are forever Cheaters. This has always bothered me a lot more that it should. If you ask UK fans who the most enjoy beating and who they most dread losing to, you will receive many answers. The answers you receive depend in part to the age of the person you are asking. In my era, UK did not play Louisville. I have never lived in Jefferson County. I look at Louisville as an inconvenience. My interest in beating them has only increased during Pitino's time. When he leaves, they will return to an inconvenience or less. Beating and losing to Tennessee is second only to beating and losing to North Carolina in my book. North Carolina has always been at the top of my list because in my mind and world, North Carolina (broadly defined as Dean E. Smith, the Carolina Way, its fan base) have been holier than thou, we are above reproach, we excel on an off the court at a superior public ivy, and you Kentucky person, are someone from a backwater place from an inferior university, with an inferior program because you cheat, on an off the court. That has always stuck in my craw. I know through former UK coaches and players that the public perception didn't always align with the elitist, arrogant, superiority mantra coming out of Chapel Hill...coaches or players. For the last five years, we have learned from media, from investigations, from the hard work of NC State and Duke fans to keep the matter on the table, and from the full court press of ESPN and other talking heads around the country to keep it from being discussed, the North Carolina basketball and other NC sports have been part of the greatest scandal in the history of college athletics. We have learned that Dean E. Smith and the Carolina Way is a complete Fraud. But we have also learned that all stakes have been pulled to protect the mythical Fraud and farce that this is. Millions of dollars and spin have been put in place to make this go away. The NCAA and Emmeret have done everything they could to make it go away. Most who have been following the stall, deny, destroy tactics of North Carolina (including for the first time in HISTORY, self-reported minor violations in minor sports to keep the clock going so that they could get through this basketball season with the chance to win another NCAA championship...maybe the only non-tainted one since Dean E.Smith became coach)have resigned themselves to the fact that North Carolina will skate and at best get a slap on the wrist while they allow their minor sports teams and maybe football get hammered allowing the architect of the fraud, Dean E.Smith and the men's basketball program, move on untouched. The justice of removing the 2005 and 2009 championships, perhaps even the 1993 banner, plus taking away victories of the past 20 years, plus about a five year ban from the NCAA tournament, limited scholarships, etc.,is deserved. If North Carolina does not get hammered, I am done with college athletics. I will begin weening myself off of even UK athletics for they are a member of the NCAA. While I realize and believe that you don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house, I don't believe that you can let such fraud just go...If NCAA member institutions that have gotten hammered for 1/100th of allegations that have appeared in the NC fraud revelations, don't speak up, then perhaps what North Carolina has done is rampant across the board in the power 5 conferences at one level or another...and if that is the case, big-time college basketball and college football needs to be shut down. Why should I or any of you that provide your hard earned dollars to UK or any other school's athletic program continue to do so? I can find ways to put my money into something meaningful and worthwhile that helps my community be a better place. I hope I am proven wrong. I hope the NCAA will do the right thing and hammer North Carolina. I hope that Villanova or Oklahoma win the national championship. I hope I can continue to enjoy my hobby of UK athletics. I am not real optimistic.

 

[Smashcat]

I bet Michael Jordan got paid and took fake classes too

Nah.

 

[Smashcat]

Ted Tatos ‏@BlueDevilicious 19h19 hours ago

1. UNC's Rashad McCants was not eligible to play in Spring 2005, per UNC's own rules. Received impermissible "benefit". pic.twitter.com/gf3AhbFoEy
2. 
   
   
   
   

 

[Smashcat]

Ted Tatos ‏@BlueDevilicious 19h19 hours ago


Another reason McCants was ineligible in Spring 2005: violated UNC 6-credit/semester rule for "special courses" pic.twitter.com/i0vQlS2Qif

 

[JPScott]

Been following UK basketball for 50 years. ...

Clevenger, you make a good post but just some advice, it's virtually impossible to read given a lack of paragraphs. Here it is with paragraphs:

Been following UK basketball for 50 years.

My close involvement with the program occurred between 1966 and 1978. From '78 to today, I still follow but not in detail, I have a love for my alma mater. I also follow UK football and baseball. UK athletics have been a passion, hobby, an interest.

Throughout the years of this hobby, it has always bothered me, and maybe a lot of fanbases think the same way, but there are a lot of thoughts of anti-my school. We have had our bouts with rules violations. With basketball, it has been over a quarter of a century...but in many circles, media, other fan bases, we are forever Cheaters. This has always bothered me a lot more that it should.

If you ask UK fans who the most enjoy beating and who they most dread losing to, you will receive many answers. The answers you receive depend in part to the age of the person you are asking. In my era, UK did not play Louisville. I have never lived in Jefferson County. I look at Louisville as an inconvenience. My interest in beating them has only increased during Pitino's time. When he leaves, they will return to an inconvenience or less.

Beating and losing to Tennessee is second only to beating and losing to North Carolina in my book. North Carolina has always been at the top of my list because in my mind and world, North Carolina (broadly defined as Dean E. Smith, the Carolina Way, its fan base) have been holier than thou, we are above reproach, we excel on an off the court at a superior public ivy, and you Kentucky person, are someone from a backwater place from an inferior university, with an inferior program because you cheat, on an off the court. That has always stuck in my craw.

I know through former UK coaches and players that the public perception didn't always align with the elitist, arrogant, superiority mantra coming out of Chapel Hill...coaches or players. For the last five years, we have learned from media, from investigations, from the hard work of NC State and Duke fans to keep the matter on the table, and from the full court press of ESPN and other talking heads around the country to keep it from being discussed, the North Carolina basketball and other NC sports have been part of the greatest scandal in the history of college athletics. We have learned that Dean E. Smith and the Carolina Way is a complete Fraud.

But we have also learned that all stakes have been pulled to protect the mythical Fraud and farce that this is. Millions of dollars and spin have been put in place to make this go away. The NCAA and Emmeret have done everything they could to make it go away.

Most who have been following the stall, deny, destroy tactics of North Carolina (including for the first time in HISTORY, self-reported minor violations in minor sports to keep the clock going so that they could get through this basketball season with the chance to win another NCAA championship...maybe the only non-tainted one since Dean E.Smith became coach)have resigned themselves to the fact that North Carolina will skate and at best get a slap on the wrist while they allow their minor sports teams and maybe football get hammered allowing the architect of the fraud, Dean E.Smith and the men's basketball program, move on untouched.

The justice of removing the 2005 and 2009 championships, perhaps even the 1993 banner, plus taking away victories of the past 20 years, plus about a five year ban from the NCAA tournament, limited scholarships, etc.,is deserved. If North Carolina does not get hammered, I am done with college athletics. I will begin weening myself off of even UK athletics for they are a member of the NCAA.

While I realize and believe that you don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house, I don't believe that you can let such fraud just go...If NCAA member institutions that have gotten hammered for 1/100th of allegations that have appeared in the NC fraud revelations, don't speak up, then perhaps what North Carolina has done is rampant across the board in the power 5 conferences at one level or another...and if that is the case, big-time college basketball and college football needs to be shut down.

Why should I or any of you that provide your hard earned dollars to UK or any other school's athletic program continue to do so? I can find ways to put my money into something meaningful and worthwhile that helps my community be a better place.

I hope I am proven wrong. I hope the NCAA will do the right thing and hammer North Carolina. I hope that Villanova or Oklahoma win the national championship. I hope I can continue to enjoy my hobby of UK athletics. I am not real optimistic.​

 

[clevenger32]

Thanks Jon Scott. I should have put in paragraphs....just started typing from the heart and hit button without thinking about it.

 

[Xception]

It is beyond pathetic and emblematic of NCAA corruption when message boards continually contradict what UNC reveals about itself to the NCAA who swallows it whole . It's like watching those two institutions have an orgy of lies behind doors that aren't closed . Dan Kane is correcting both the NCAA and UNC while they make up more failed stories , yet they act like he's invisible . The aftermath of this scandal could be bigger than the scandal itself , there may be nearly as much corruption during the investigations than the scandal .