We’ve had 9+ losses under cal a few times which means his recruiting isnt perfect.
And two of those teams went to the final four or title game.
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We’ve had 9+ losses under cal a few times which means his recruiting isnt perfect.
And two of those teams went to the final four or title game.
That was before the rule changes .. college b-ball has changed and since then both 9+ loss teams have lost in the 2nd round and sweet 16
PJ is a bad free throw shooter... we lost in the sweet 16 because we just weren’t that good of a team
If he shoots his avg we would’ve won and he was playing with a broken pinky.
If average happens Virginia is our opponent and we lose anyways
Last years team caused cal to promise to never recruit bad shooters again...
OMG. We are done. Come on man. We are UK we will get ours. I’m just relaxing because I know Cal will eat first no matter who we get. It will all become clearer in the next few weeks. I don’t like Seattle but I like their ball players. Memphis is a poop city with poop fans but I like their ball players. WV is so beautiful but Huggy is their but I still love their ball players. Stewart I love but may not make the best decision. Carey well we all know he’s great not sure he loves MS as much as the Crystal Ball thinks and same with Stewart. Puke, no worry, they go home sad because they lose their first game and then lose out in the elite 8. Ok now I have to get my butt back to Eastern State before I’m missed.
So. Getting the number 1 or number 2 recruiting class each year is not good enough.If we don't get a top 5 guy this year, I'm not sure when we ever will again. It will be the 4th yr in a row without one, and the last one we did get was Skal, who obviously was overrated. Towns is the last legit top 5 guy we got. It will cement the idea that something has drastically changed in the recruiting world and Cal and UK is just not seen as the place to go anymore. Have no idea what changed that, but something must have.
When a post sucks it means the poster sucks.Jesus, does nobody bother to read anymore? I never said or hinted what you guys took from my post. Not getting Top 5 guys does not equate to sucking. I think we have a great chance to win it all this year without any. Some of you guys are way too quick to pounce on any post that acknowledges the change in the recruiting landscape. What say we stop reading into posts and just respond to what is actually said? Wacky concept I know.
I think we’re doing just fine, it’s not always about the ranking. Look at SGA. A four-star who turned into a lottery pick.If we don't get a top 5 guy this year, I'm not sure when we ever will again. It will be the 4th yr in a row without one, and the last one we did get was Skal, who obviously was overrated. Towns is the last legit top 5 guy we got. It will cement the idea that something has drastically changed in the recruiting world and Cal and UK is just not seen as the place to go anymore. Have no idea what changed that, but something must have.
Not to mention we have the number one team preseason and odds-on favorite to win the national title this year. Again, I think we’re doing just fine.If we don't get a top 5 guy this year, I'm not sure when we ever will again. It will be the 4th yr in a row without one, and the last one we did get was Skal, who obviously was overrated. Towns is the last legit top 5 guy we got. It will cement the idea that something has drastically changed in the recruiting world and Cal and UK is just not seen as the place to go anymore. Have no idea what changed that, but something must have.
As you know I have said this for quite sometime and I never get straight answers back. It's always "we just landed the 8th rated player" or "we have 4 blues coming in"
Are you crazy we have a top 2 class!!!!!!
I said we are having trouble landing TOP 5 PLAYERS WHICH UK HAS NEEDED BIG TIME WITH THE AMOUNT OF TURNOVER WE HAVE.
How many final fours does UK have without a top 5 player? How many titles?
That's what I thought. If they'd stay on topic we could get around to the answer quicker.
Right now though, it doesn't matter because we are RETURNING PLAYERS. A sophomore PJ IS a top 5 player in this years class maybe, for example.
But until we started returning guys, recruiting shooters, and being a more traditional roster, it hurt bad. When we weren't returning anyone and we went to war with Diallo and Briscoe as freshman, it's simply not going to cut it. That's a fact people, not an opinion.
When a post sucks it means the poster sucks.
Jesus, does nobody bother to read anymore? I never said or hinted what you guys took from my post. Not getting Top 5 guys does not equate to sucking. I think we have a great chance to win it all this year without any. Some of you guys are way too quick to pounce on any post that acknowledges the change in the recruiting landscape. What say we stop reading into posts and just respond to what is actually said? Wacky concept I know.
No, I read it as clear as can be. It was a dumb post, so own it.
Why bring politics into this?Wasn't responding to you was I? Good Lord, the reading comprehension in this thread is abysmal.
Lmao but what about the rule changes? Thought that’s why we lost?
Fox, Monk, and Bam were definitely a national championship team. Damn you Higgins!
Remind me again how many top 5 players UK got before Coach Cal was here? And how have we performed historically without them? Okay, I’m good. Nothing to see here......Jesus, does nobody bother to read anymore? I never said or hinted what you guys took from my post. Not getting Top 5 guys does not equate to sucking. I think we have a great chance to win it all this year without any. Some of you guys are way too quick to pounce on any post that acknowledges the change in the recruiting landscape. What say we stop reading into posts and just respond to what is actually said? Wacky concept I know.
No it'a fact. When UK has heavy turnover and no incoming top 5 players, we haven't succeeded to a final four or title game as I recall.
Our national title team had the top 2 players in the class, and top 2 draft picks.
2014 final four had s legitimate top 5 guy in Randle.
2015 had returnees and a top 5 player.
There's a pattern here, surely you can pick up on it.
Kentucky needs top 5 players if we aren't returning everyone. And those top 5 players need to need to add up.
When we are returning players and recruiting people who can score, shoot, defend (balance) we dont necessarily have to have them.
I'm not seeing this as an opinion. It's a mirror image of reality even if people's love for cal is so blind they can't see it.
Thing is UNC shouldn’t have even been in the Elite 8. Higgins screwed Arkansas first then screwed usThat was a title team. They were playing their best ball at the best time and got ROYALLY screwed. I'm still upset about it to this day.
And those seasons we missed out on a recruit or two we were in heavy for.We’ve had 9+ losses under cal a few times which means his recruiting isnt perfect.
Jesus, does nobody bother to read anymore? I never said or hinted what you guys took from my post. Not getting Top 5 guys does not equate to sucking. I think we have a great chance to win it all this year without any. Some of you guys are way too quick to pounce on any post that acknowledges the change in the recruiting landscape. What say we stop reading into posts and just respond to what is actually said? Wacky concept I know.
Only recruiting analyst I pay attention to. Until he changes his Crystal Ball pick, UK is in good shape.Just listened to Evan Daniel's post USA minicamp podcast. He still has Wiseman to UK and said he'd received no recent information to think otherwise.
My argument wasn’t hard to understand but makes sense you wouldn’t get it
Jesus, does nobody bother to read anymore? I never said or hinted what you guys took from my post. Not getting Top 5 guys does not equate to sucking. I think we have a great chance to win it all this year without any. Some of you guys are way too quick to pounce on any post that acknowledges the change in the recruiting landscape. What say we stop reading into posts and just respond to what is actually said? Wacky concept I know.
He didn't start it. Certain folks here have been beating that drum for a while. They're quiet about it now with the FBI stuff and us looking to be loaded, but they've changed the tune they were singing the last couple of seasons, and particularly when Zion chose Duke.
Who's changing the tune? I still believe UK's system is predicated on landing top of the order freshmen. The sample size supports this. You can attempt to use this season as a new norm, but it stands as an anomaly, a point of emphasis that will be supported by the reality of UK losing at least 70% of its roster at season's end. So an anomaly surrounded by the norm doesn't create a new norm.
We've had this discussion before, but UK's best seasons from beginning to end under Cal have been seasons that featured at least one top 5 RSCI players (2010, 2012, 2015) or at least three guys in the 6 through 10 range (2017).
UK's worst seasons (2013, 2016, 2018) lacked either top 5 players (Noel in '13 would have changed things, undoubtedly) or multiple guys in that second tier.
But what did those ‘10, ‘12 & ‘15 teams also have? They had soph, junior and seniors on the team. You need more than just top 5 guys, you need a mix of good solid returners and talented freshman.
Can’t just rely on top 5 talent to carry you.
Not if it’s young top 5 talent. Where was the top 5 talent on the recent Nova and UNCheat national championship teams?Can’t just rely on top 5 talent to carry you
Not if it’s young top 5 talent. Where was the top 5 talent on the recent Nova and UNCheat national championship teams?
Well, there are 2 things about this I would like to point out. First, there have been years with top 5 talent that didn't result in a title, title game or even a final four. So, while it is a fact that we have not made a final four or further with Cal as our coach without a top 5 talent on the roster, it is not a fact that it is required, and more so, that it guarantees it. There are a lot of coincidences in life that people can try to connect, but in the end, they are just coincidences. It's just like the we have never won a championship without a player from Kentucky on the roster. Yea, that's true, but is it really a requirement?
Secondly, even the "Top 5" is an opinion of someone or someones. It isn't a black and white curriculum. It's people's opinion. If the top 5 consisted of 5 players in the mold of Skal, and 6-10 were in the mold of Knight, MKG, and AD, would you still believe that you had to have a "Skal" on the roster to go to the Final Four?
The truth is simple, Cal needs players that can either hold their own or better at 5 positions on the floor. It either needs to be a freshman ready to make an impact, or a returner who knows what it takes, or a grad transfer who has already proven he belongs. The impact freshman doesn't have to be a top 5 player, just ready to make an impact. Fox, Monk and Bam didn't make the Final Four not because they weren't top 5 recruits, but because they didn't get a lot of consistent help.
Again, no, it's an untested claim. Those aren't facts. Saying that you'll live forever because you haven't died yet isn't a fact.
Ok you got me. Because Cal hasn't retired yet I guess 4 freshman fringe second rounders and a sophomore Poythress could win the title in the next decade at some point.
The facts as of the last decade are it won't work. It's not a knock on Cal to admit he needs dominant NBA ready talent if hes not going to have upperclassman or returning second round talent / and balance. Why some or you won't just admit that, I dont know. It is a fact that as of this moment, that's reality.
First, there have been years with top 5 talent that didn't result in a title, title game or even a final four.
Of course, that's because the best team won't always win it. I don't think every team needs the top of the landscape to win titles, but at UK during Cal's tenure, without returning players or top 5ish (legitimate) players, it ain't happening without them.
There are a lot of coincidences in life that people can try to connect, but in the end, they are just coincidences.
Yea, I just can't accept that. We are going on a decade, I think it's fair to say it's not a coincidence. I think it's a fact that the record is what it is.
It's just like the we have never won a championship without a player from Kentucky on the roster. Yea, that's true, but is it really a requirement?
Not the same thing.
Secondly, even the "Top 5" is an opinion of someone or someones. It isn't a black and white curriculum. It's people's opinion. If the top 5 consisted of 5 players in the mold of Skal, and 6-10 were in the mold of Knight, MKG, and AD, would you still believe that you had to have a "Skal" on the roster to go to the Final Four?
Well, there never has been a top 5 class consisting of 5 Skal's. What if the moon were made of cheese?
The top 5 is just a way of saying we aren't getting the highest sought out players who are more likely to have an impact as a freshman during the 10 months he's on campus.
When we LOSE our entire roster, and do not fill the void where AD was standing, or a 3rd/4th year senior would be standing, and instead bring in a fringe second rounder and expert him to be enough.....hello?
If the argument wasn't changed it's easy to understand. Today we have balance, scores, shooters, upperclassman, returning NBA talent, and top 8-20 freshman. You don't need AD when you do this. When you dont, you need him. I dont understand why this is hard.
Ok you got me. Because Cal hasn't retired yet I guess 4 freshman fringe second rounders and a sophomore Poythress could win the title in the next decade at some point.
The facts as of the last decade are it won't work. It's not a knock on Cal to admit he needs dominant NBA ready talent if hes not going to have upperclassman or returning second round talent / and balance. Why some or you won't just admit that, I dont know. It is a fact that as of this moment, that's reality.