Noted. Yes, I think the current contract with CBS and NCAA for the tourney is $11B over 14 years.
I seriously doubt that the contract is void if the NCAA loses 25 or less players each year or if the NBA changes its freshman rule.
College isn't for everyone. New option for 1 & dones.
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Noted. Yes, I think the current contract with CBS and NCAA for the tourney is $11B over 14 years.
I seriously doubt that the contract is void if the NCAA loses 25 or less players each year or if the NBA changes its freshman rule.
Might not get this class, but it will build momentum. Only reason more kids don't go international route is they are living across the planet in places they've barely heard of, and don't get paid. Change most of that and it's an entirely different ball game.
Developed?? You get better by playing and practicing more, with no classwork and limited practice time this is a non-issue. Plus guys are here for a year then go to NBA to work with professional trainers. Plus overseas there is zero development, they don't have time or care for that, and that didn't hurt Brandon Jennings and Mudiay.
Competition will at least mirror D1 if they can get certain teams to play. D-league full of D1 players, most international teams either have former D1 players or great Euro players...look at the North Carolina summer leagues, you have guys like Jerry Stackhouse and Vince Carter playing there. Even in local Cincinnati leagues you have former D1 guys playing...competition is out there.
1 and 2 = 3
1 - ESPN has 24 hours to fill on each network (they have like half a dozen now)...so yes TV network will pay
2 - How many people tune in for Jordan classic and MCDAA games? You want to watch elite talent, I'd watch intently a team with Okafor, Jones, KAT, Myles Turner, Mudiay, D Russell, Winslow, Stanley Johnson, etc.
Is this a duplicate thread? I swear I've read that same OP somewhere else.
Will not work. It is a sham. Just some guys fishing for a little startup capital. Send them a million, I'm sure they'll cut you in though I can get you a better return on this bridge. . .
Regardless, the NCAA D1 basketball will be unaffected. The NCAA will do NOTHING till the NBA changes its stance.
Will not work. It is a sham. Just some guys fishing for a little startup capital. Send them a million, I'm sure they'll cut you in though I can get you a better return on this bridge. . .
Regardless, the NCAA D1 basketball will be unaffected. The NCAA will do NOTHING till the NBA changes its stance.
The key to this will be actual competitive structure, and shoe company involvement. You need actual competitive structure to get people interested in the games. You need shoe company involvement to make it financially viable. Nike and Adidas have promotional budgets in the 100's of millions of dollars. If they decide that they can get a better bang for their buck from a minor league for the best 18 year old players, as opposed to college basketball, then college basketball has a major problem.
The reality of college basketball right now is that a miniscule percentage of the best players actually want to be involved. It doesn't have to be anywhere near 700K, just give the best 18 year old players a viable option for 1-3 years (and I would define that as 100K and up salaries), and a huge number of them would skip college. College basketball is INCREDIBLY vulnerable to this type of idea. Will the sport die if something like this is successful? No- there's too much tradition, too many years of history,for it to totally disappear. But it certainly will diminish over time.
The reality of college basketball right now is that a miniscule percentage of the best players actually want to be involved. It doesn't have to be anywhere near 700K, just give the best 18 year old players a viable option for 1-3 years (and I would define that as 100K and up salaries), and a huge number of them would skip college. College basketball is INCREDIBLY vulnerable to this type of idea. Will the sport die if something like this is successful? No- there's too much tradition, too many years of history,for it to totally disappear. But it certainly will diminish over time.
I haven't read too much about this, but it is interesting. It seems like it would be a rather pricey endeavor though. Do they plan on flying to Europe for the majority of their games?
It seems like an idea that's good in theory, but once it gets going I don't know if it'll hold up well.
It seems like an idea that's good in theory, but once it gets going I don't know if it'll hold up well.
This is an even bigger con than the recent rash of fly by night prep schools that are taking money from high school kids promising to get their grades and game ready for college.
There is A) no chance that they will have even ONE 2015 McDonald's AA sign on, let alone the five that he says they'll have. ZERO. B) There is ZERO chance that they could generate enough revenue to pay five players $700k each plus whatever else they pay their roster plus expenses and overhead. They would have to charge NBA level prices for a mediocre high school all star team.
There is A) no chance that they will have even ONE 2015 McDonald's AA sign on, let alone the five that he says they'll have. ZERO. B) There is ZERO chance that they could generate enough revenue to pay five players $700k each plus whatever else they pay their roster plus expenses and overhead. They would have to charge NBA level prices for a mediocre high school all star team.
I have no idea whether this will work or not. However, I do think it will be very interesting to watch it unfold. I can see the pro's and con's of each side and I completely agree it's a huge gamble either way.
Time will tell.....
Time will tell.....
There will be absolutely zero public interest in this team. Regardless if a shoe company is willing to fork up $700K to someone like Jaylen Brown or not really is beside the point. The NCAA may indeed pay NCAA players one day but lets not kid ourselves, it will not be anywhere near that kind of money so any amount the NCAA may offer up will pale in comparison. This might turn out well for the players who get in before this falls on its face as I just don't see this being a successful formula at all. Even then it is debatable for the players who do get paid a year early, would have to wait and see what happens from there.
Not many others will. There's a reason the All-American games rarely sell-out.
Unless these guys can play against top level talent and have top level coaching during these practices the extra training time they receive will be wasted? These kids would need to play against A or B league teams in France, England and Spain. Those countries have the best overseas basketball and are the places the best American players usually go. Any other options and the talent level IMO, is less than that of high major Division I. Also if overseas basketball isn't about development (I disagree) then what is the point of these kids opting for this route? Rarely do we see a high school senior that doesn't need to develop in order to succeed at the NBA level.
I don't think you can compare the talent in a summer league, regardless of how great it is, to an actually game/season atmosphere either. I've played in some of these ProAm type summer leagues and while the talent is great the effort lacks immensely. Brandon Jennings did seem to turn out well but Mudiay is still unproven. I just think the risk is too great for these guys.
To succeed, this league would need a loyal fan following. It will start out by pissing off the very people that they need to succeed, college basketball fans. It won't get that.
ESPN has MILLIONS of dollars invested in college basketball, so why would they televise a rival to that investment? They won't.
Players will therefore not get the exposure, security, education, coaching and loyal fan following that college basketball brings.
This venture is a money grab scam for those running it, pure and simple.
Question:
If the shoe companies really wanted to sign a hit-or-miss kid like Brown or Newman (or any other five star who may or may not turn out to be the next Darius Miles or Erick Barkely), then why not convince them to just make the jump overseas, build a brand in another country, and then make their way to the NBA draft the next year? They could push the endorsement on them right out of the gate - both in the states and overseas.
Truth be told, if it was so obvious, it would have been done already. Guys like Brown might be worth endorsement money, but then again, they could end up as the 7th guy on an NBA roster ( see Bazz Muhammed, Bennett, McLemore, and others for details).
This venture will fail because shoe companies are not unlike other companies - they want to make sure there is a return for their investment. Aimlessly throwing cash and question marks isn't smart business.
If the shoe companies really wanted to sign a hit-or-miss kid like Brown or Newman (or any other five star who may or may not turn out to be the next Darius Miles or Erick Barkely), then why not convince them to just make the jump overseas, build a brand in another country, and then make their way to the NBA draft the next year? They could push the endorsement on them right out of the gate - both in the states and overseas.
Truth be told, if it was so obvious, it would have been done already. Guys like Brown might be worth endorsement money, but then again, they could end up as the 7th guy on an NBA roster ( see Bazz Muhammed, Bennett, McLemore, and others for details).
This venture will fail because shoe companies are not unlike other companies - they want to make sure there is a return for their investment. Aimlessly throwing cash and question marks isn't smart business.
You forgot a question:
4. Will the shoe companies, sports agencies and other corporate endorsers heap money at this team to get first access to the superstars of tomorrow?
This team does not need to be a smashing success to survive and radically alter the current one and done recruiting scene, it ONLY needs to generate enough revenue to justify paying these kids enough money to convince them to skip their year playing for nothing in college. And there are plenty of ways to generate revenue in sports beyond mere ticket sales nowadays.
Seems like it could be doable to me. I think this a more real thing than some folks here wanna believe.
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While SOME players might not get much exposure, what about a guy like RJ Hunter, or Damian Lillard, or Stephen Curry? Those low/mid-major guys basically need an NCAA run to put themselves on the map. So, while they might not get many Burger Boys, would this be enticing to a guy like Cam Payne last year who knew he was going to the NBA? Wouldn't it make sense for him to take the 400K?
The theory of it is fine. I'm just interested in seeing how it works when the grand design isn't exactly real.
It's easy to say five McD's AA when you think they're Wiggins, Jabari, Randle, Gordon and the Harrison Twins. It's another matter entirely when you end up with DaJuan Coleman, Daniel House, Ricky Ledo, DeVonta Pollard and Rodney Purvis or land four athletic wings who can't shoot.
This will attract a certain kind of player with a certain kind of mindset, and I'm not sure how well that's going to hold up. A no-name coach, a team/league with no structure or foundation, in Vegas, on very short term contracts, with everyone only there to showcase themselves? When there's a proven, safe, highly-publicized alternative that you probably grew up watching? we'll see.
It'll get the Mudiay's and Anthony Bennett's and Shabazz Muhammad's and Chris Walkers, but exactly how much money is going to be generated or funneled in by shoe companies and for how long?
It's easy to say five McD's AA when you think they're Wiggins, Jabari, Randle, Gordon and the Harrison Twins. It's another matter entirely when you end up with DaJuan Coleman, Daniel House, Ricky Ledo, DeVonta Pollard and Rodney Purvis or land four athletic wings who can't shoot.
This will attract a certain kind of player with a certain kind of mindset, and I'm not sure how well that's going to hold up. A no-name coach, a team/league with no structure or foundation, in Vegas, on very short term contracts, with everyone only there to showcase themselves? When there's a proven, safe, highly-publicized alternative that you probably grew up watching? we'll see.
It'll get the Mudiay's and Anthony Bennett's and Shabazz Muhammad's and Chris Walkers, but exactly how much money is going to be generated or funneled in by shoe companies and for how long?
Gimme a friggin break.
Security? Players would get more real security doing this than risking injury playing for nothing in college for a year. Education? Spare me, one and done players never get their degrees anyways, they're interested in getting to the League, not the college education, nor do they really care about the "loyal fan following" as much as you think either.
And the whole "exposure" argument people trot out on this board is largely bunk. Nobody needs to play big time college basketball to get seen by the pro scouts anymore, as today's NBA people know exactly where the talent is REGARDLESS of location (hell, the league is FULL of guys who were either unknowns in college or didn't play college ball at all), and I damn guarantee you a team full of McDAA's playing top Euro pro teams would get a TON of attention from pro scouts.
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Cerruti Brown of the Las Vegas Dealers tells @SNYtv he expects at least 1 McDonald's All-American, & as many as 5 to play for his team.
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Cerrito Brown says he has offered the head coaching job to former Seton Hall asst Scott Adubato and Adubato has accepted.
Cerruti Brown of the Las Vegas Dealers tells @SNYtv he expects at least 1 McDonald's All-American, & as many as 5 to play for his team.
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Cerrito Brown says he has offered the head coaching job to former Seton Hall asst Scott Adubato and Adubato has accepted.
Mudiay was going top 5 regardless. Draft stock isn't what I'm talking about here. Mudiay has been away from American style basketball for a year now. He will have a similar learning curve as collegiate players if not greater. The NBA game is played much faster than both. I just don't see any reason to do this unless you are a Lebron James type of talent coming out of high school.
This myth was thoroughly debunked decades ago.
Indeed, your own examples that you cite fail to back up your point. Damian Lillard never had "an NCAA run", in fact his teams NEVER even reached the tourney. But that didn't stop him from being a high lottery pick out of little Weber State anyways. And RJ Hunter was ALREADY appearing in the late first round of mock drafts before this year's tourney began, the scouts already knew all about him and would've drafted him even if he hadn't won that one game in the tourney. And Step Curry did not need his soph run either. It was his final year in college when he was First Team AA that most wowed the scouts and made him a lottery pick--that season Davidson failed to even make the tourney.
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Okay. Rephrasing. A standout mid-major player, who is already known by scouts, takes a guaranteed 400K to play here for a year instead of playing another year of college. Not saying nobody knew who RJ Hunter was. Or Cam Payne. Or Damian Lillard. But many high-level college guys are staying with hopes of winning a big game, or championship, etc...
If you aren't talking about draft stock, then not sure what you are arguing for/against, as for these kids that's everything.
If I can improve, or at the very least maintain, my draft stock...and at the same time get paid and not have to worry about going to school, and get all the extra benefits I want, then most players would seriously consider this avenue.
This x10000....every NBA team has a full list of scouts who watch nearly every player and every college game, in addition to the NBA combine.
Look at all the foreign guys playing across the globe, did they need the NCAA?
Look at Kanter, NCAA didn't want him and he didn't need them, went top 10.
Security- If a player is injured at a major university, they have the very best in medical treatment and rehabilitation. Will the founders of this league insure those are equal?
Yes, Education!!! These players get acquainted with what it's like to be on a college campus with kids their age and girls. They also are able to take classes that will help them beyond the NBA and return free of charge whenever they wish to complete what they started.
A loyal fan following will get them jump started on the fame most of these kids desire.
You conveniently left out how ESPN, CBS, Fox, etc.have already invested in the success of college basketball. Do you actually believe that these networks are going to support a group that is competing with them? The shoe companies alone will not fork over the cash needed to offset this.
Who are these guys going to play?
Why would Pro leagues around the world want to play these guys?
I think you are undervaluing the development aspect of this. What's the reason most of these recruits go to UK, Duke, Kansas (the current leaders in one and done)? It's to play for a coach with a proven stable of current/former NBA players. Cal said it himself, the smart player is looking at how to get to that second contract, this is where guys make their money. Draft position doesn't effect your second contract performance does. There is only marginal difference with the money made between lottery picks. The money difference is even more marginal at the bottom half of the first round and second round guys don't make any guaranteed money.
The coach they hired has never proven he can take a 5 star guy, polish them up and send them on their way. I can see guys considering it hell I can even see one to two guys biting on the opportunity, but this is not a long term solution to the one and done. Think of the prospects for guys like Dakari, Marcus and Tyler if they were in this position. 700 grand for the year but all would still be second round fringe picks. What if they didn't make a roster? Like I said there is way too much risk involved. This team will fold up quicker than the Bluegrass Stallions.
Guys go to these schools because under the circumstances it's their best option.
Give them the option of living in the US, getting paid, and playing against good competition...and you will have more Mudiay's go that route.
Not sure I understand what you are saying with the Dakari, Marcus, Tyler example...regardless of what they do, they will always be late first/second round picks, under this option they make a few hundred grand in the process...seems like a pretty good deal.
Of course this model needs to be more proven, I'm not talking about a bunch of guys going to it this year, next year, or even the year after...BUT, in 5 years, if this sustains itself in the short-term, it will have a major impact on players and the college game. And the NCAA has only itself to blame because of BS rules and regulations.
I agree with your second paragraph. My point was that once these guys make that money they will jump to the league largely unprepared and struggle to stick. What happens if they fall out of the league before having an established career? No coursework towards a degree which could provide a catch all. One and done is flawed but a lot of times these guys come to college and learn they aren't ready for the league. They stay for a couple more years and get ready. Yeah draft stock may noychange but they increase the chance to stick in the NBA by being ready.
If they fall out of the league, they go to Europe and then come back and do something else...coach, scout, etc.
You think they are going to go work at Enterprise or something?
That's what is so great. All these kids who go pro are so financially responsible and set for life even if they only play for a few years. And then they all get high paying coaching jobs or TV jobs for those that want to work.
Glad I've never heard of any kids ending up broke after their playing days. That would be horrible.
You make it sound so easy. Tell that to Lenny Cooke and the countless other guys that jumped from high school to have lackluster careers and quick exits. Playing ball for 5 figure salaries is not the aim of these burger boys. Not one of them would take this route if you told them it ended overseas. Also how are these guys going to coach anywhere other than AAU or middle school ball without a bachelor's degree and what NBA team do you know that will hire a player into their organization that had a marginal career? Like I said this idea will crash and burn.
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