hope he never wins another game.
Coen to the Bucs
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You probably won't see me, since you don't know me. He lied in this case. Lying is unethical, period. The fact that it happens a lot in sports doesn't make it any less unethical. It's not that hard. Do what you say and say what you mean.
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Well that "I'm going to stay at least 2 years thing"....
My only reason to be not too pissed at Coen is Stoops tried to leave for Texas Am...so in some way does that nullify those sentiments by Coen if Stoops is going to up and go.
Hard onion to peel back...but regardless...the coaches are making bank and UK is the one in the shadows on this saga.
I would be more forgiving as well if Stoops tried to leave after asking Coen for a certain number of years. Unfortunately, we don't really know what happened there. Stoops says he never accepted the job and A&M media say he did. Both have reasons to lie so we'll never really know for sure.
I really doubt this. Vandagriff is admittedly a bit of an unknown quantity at this point, but spring practice hasn’t even started yet. Seems highly unlikely that Coen would have liked him in December and then noped out because of what little he would be able to see in informal January workouts.
NFL News just described Coen's situation by saying how he 'ping-ponged' between jobs.
Well, which is it?
Do you want an OC that runs a faster pace of offense and has more plays per game, or did you want Coen?
Did you want a PRO STYLE offense with motions that takes time off the clock or one like what Kiffin is running at OleMiss, and the UT runs?
Do you want to have a good running game, or just fling it everywhere? We don't have and don't seem to be recruiting a lot of 5 star OL right now, so we may have to choose.
I don't care if Coen is the OC. I just want a great recruiter and someone that can run an offense that is hard for defenses to adjust to. I don't care if our coaches leave, as long as we can upgrade. I don't care if they are candidates for jobs. I don't care if they interview somewhere else.
I never thought Coen was being honest about settling down in Lexington. His body language wasn't right. I didn't care then and don't care now. It put 2 QBs on our commitment lists that we probably didn't get otherwise with Scang or someone else, and we still have a shot at holding onto them. Gonna take the glass half full look at this.
Sure hope we can upgrade at the OC position and move forward.
Do you want an OC that runs a faster pace of offense and has more plays per game, or did you want Coen?
Did you want a PRO STYLE offense with motions that takes time off the clock or one like what Kiffin is running at OleMiss, and the UT runs?
Do you want to have a good running game, or just fling it everywhere? We don't have and don't seem to be recruiting a lot of 5 star OL right now, so we may have to choose.
I don't care if Coen is the OC. I just want a great recruiter and someone that can run an offense that is hard for defenses to adjust to. I don't care if our coaches leave, as long as we can upgrade. I don't care if they are candidates for jobs. I don't care if they interview somewhere else.
I never thought Coen was being honest about settling down in Lexington. His body language wasn't right. I didn't care then and don't care now. It put 2 QBs on our commitment lists that we probably didn't get otherwise with Scang or someone else, and we still have a shot at holding onto them. Gonna take the glass half full look at this.
Sure hope we can upgrade at the OC position and move forward.
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No. I think it's more likely Coen realized he was going to have to change things up to get the plays in faster, get the ball snapped quicker, and had ZERO ability and desire to do so. NFL gives him what... 5 more seconds of motions that don't actually disguise anything
Yeah it was odd. I think part of it was the honeymoon kind of ended with some of our struggles this past year and maybe Stoops looking around sparked it too. But man I cant remember a guy that got more grace and support from the fans for the short time they knew him than this guy so it does leave little sour taste in my mouth that he would leave like this again.
That said I am not one that thinks its that big of a blow as far as pure coaching, Coen was ok but not some guru that most people keep making him out to be. He still has a long way to go in the college game and had his struggles for sure. But I am afraid in the short run it may cost us some players since they did have a high opinion of him.
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I dont thing there is any question the dynamic between he and Stoops took a hit this year. Just not sure if it started before Stoops sniffed around with A&M or if that caused it. And then theres the whole weird health situation
Now people are probably wondering if Wolford is going to bolt again, I don't think he will because it will cost him money if he does. But it really doesn't matter because if he doesn't want to be here and some team wants him bad enough, they will pay his buyout anyway.
You know I forgot about Woodward, that could have played a part too.
I love this kid already!!!!
I can guarantee you he will have a say in WHO the next OC is!!! This statement by his father tells me that this kid will be heavily involved.
I just want a guy that can recruit and develop QB's that runs an offense that is attractive to ALL offensive players!!! If you can get the right QB, everything else will fall into place.
From reading what some of the recruits said, especially Stone Saunders, Coen outright LIED to them all about leaving.
That is something that I really didn't like. It reveals a character flaw that would have eventually reared it's head, so UK is better off knowing it NOW.
Coen most surely have the approval to not renew his contract. That was pretty much a stab in the back for Woodward considering he was a QB coach who was on staff as an analyst. Woody only ever became wr coach because boughknight was caught speeding on 75 drunk with an empty bottle of liquor rolling around.
Jmo but reading the situation, that's who coen threw under he bus for the wr performance. Because what should've happened, woody should've been kept on staff in some capacity while we hired an actual wr coach.
Of course that's assuming you can believe anything from coen about how awesome they worked together. But I think you can believe that because our offense looked better this season too with woody in the box and coen on the field.
Guys, grow up, coaches lie, all of them all the time.
The greatest CFB coach of all time looked a tv camera in the face and plainly said "I will not be the head coach of Alabama" - 2 weeks before quitting his Dolphins job and becoming the Bama coach.
Not saying you can't be mad at Coen or hate him or vow to cheer against him the rest of your life. Go ahead. But stop with the HE LIED TO US HE HAS NO HONOR OR DIGNITY!!!
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The greatest CFB coach of all time looked a tv camera in the face and plainly said "I will not be the head coach of Alabama" - 2 weeks before quitting his Dolphins job and becoming the Bama coach.
Not saying you can't be mad at Coen or hate him or vow to cheer against him the rest of your life. Go ahead. But stop with the HE LIED TO US HE HAS NO HONOR OR DIGNITY!!!
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I just think it's hilarious that Coen traded UK Football for Baker Mayfield!!
I realize we aren't one of the Big Boys, but Baker FREAKIN Mayfield????!!!!!!
That is CRAZY!!!!
Forgot about all that. Been a little drama in uk football over the years.
It’s NIL and the portal. We’re seeing collegiate head coaches bolt for coordinator jobs in the NFL, something unheard of before. Word is Chip Kelly is trying to do the same, as he just interviewed for an OC position.. Get used to it and who can blame them? It’s destroying the game we love.
Piss on Coen. He's a one trick pony anyway with zero adaptability, something which is critical in the college game. Go offer Joe Moorhead $2 million a year to come be our OC and we won't miss a single beat. In fact, he would likely be a significant improvement over Coen. He was the guy I wanted when we hired Coen the first time.
Neither was our current o line coach when he left, now he hung the moon again
Been a UK football fan since the mid-70’s and I’ll keep watching but the new transfer rules and constant coach shifting is slowly making me lose interest. It’s like the one and done in bball, you never really know who half your starters or coaches are going to be from year to year. Really hurts a team like us who’s in the toughest conference in all of football and possibly losing some or several of our playmakers. Yeah, all teams lose guys in the portal but it can kill a program like ours.
That said, I really feel there’s an internal problem going on and the only factor is CMS. Love the guy but he’s definitely a micromanager as exhibited through our tendencies to do the same thing in certain situations no matter who we have as OC or DC. Slow the game down on offense, sitting back in defense hoping our opponent makes a mistake, sitting on the ball before the half; hard to work for a guy like that.
That said, I really feel there’s an internal problem going on and the only factor is CMS. Love the guy but he’s definitely a micromanager as exhibited through our tendencies to do the same thing in certain situations no matter who we have as OC or DC. Slow the game down on offense, sitting back in defense hoping our opponent makes a mistake, sitting on the ball before the half; hard to work for a guy like that.
How would you like to be a Offensive or Defensive Coordinator with the revolving door College football has become? How do you implement a successful system when you have constant turnover. Look what constant turnover has done to our basketball program.
Well said. For a lot of the reasons you pointed out I've never been as enamored as some with Coen's offense. Too slow, too reliant on long developing routes which require pass protection, lack of quick strike plays and use of the underneath areas. And asks QB to ride the pocket too much instead of taking off when needed. Play calling was erratic as well. The only problem I have with him leaving is the timing and the instability it creates.
Not all OCs do, Eddie Gran comes to mind.
This is the exact thing I was thinking. His health must of not have been that big of an issue.
We will NEVER get this mess cleaned up until Stoops is fired. Why in heck do we seem to think he has helped UK football. Hell, take away our three bought wins for the past several years, what would Stoops record be. He has not beat shxt in eleven years. I am sick and tired of his bullshxt coaching & recruiting. It sucks and half this board don't have the gonads to move on to a younger more offensive coach. Defense use to win championships, OFFENSE wins in 2024. We have zero balls to accept what Stoops give us. I would rather win 45 to 42 than to lose 14 to 10. Everyone is afraid that Stoops has given us more than we use to get. Who wants to go 7 & 5 and call that good. Eleven years and actually we still are lower middle of the pack in SEC. With TX & OK next year, we will NEVER win a championship with Stoops. NEVER. Clean house starting with AD, Head Coach and ALL assistant coaches. In two years we will be better than our current staff will ever reach.
Not even sure what this means…but ok. I guess you are going to say stoops held him back?
Thats about the lamest take from KSR and Jones supporters
He's either an idiot that doesn't know sht about college football or he'd know everyone plays at least 3 games against lower level competition either in conference or out, or just fell in the wrong bottle
Musical chairs is what it is, and I hated that game as a kid.
Coen was supposed to speed things up and get us more vertical, with more plays per game. Didn't happen
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