Wonder if Wolford sent Coen a thank you card. Pretty good timing about the time people started stirring about Wolford coming back, Coen pot started boiling.
Coen to the Bucs
- Thread starter JFCats22
- Start date
1)Stoops realizes early/mid Jan Coen will be leaving
2)sends out backchannel feelers to Tommy Rees
3)gets feedback on staff makeup
4)fires Yenser
5)hires Rees' O line coach Wolford
6)Coen finally finds a job Feb 2
7)hiring of Rees starts leaking by national CFB reporters Feb 4th or 5th
2)sends out backchannel feelers to Tommy Rees
3)gets feedback on staff makeup
4)fires Yenser
5)hires Rees' O line coach Wolford
6)Coen finally finds a job Feb 2
7)hiring of Rees starts leaking by national CFB reporters Feb 4th or 5th
The only reason I don't think it happened on that timeline is because they extended yenser. If that's the timeline, they never extend yenser imo.
Reading the tea leaves I do think you're mostly right though, except the timeline started just a few weeks ago.
Yenser was signed to a new 1 yr contract after the regular season was over, first of Dec 2023. The Coen job searching started after the bowl game/end of NFL Reg season.
I thought he extended later as there were iirc two rounds of extensions. Thanks for the correction
What if Coen didn’t get an NFL offer? They brought in Wolford the same day as the Bucs OC job came open I think. He couldn’t have known he had an NFL opportunity yet.
You left out Rees accept job with Brown. Why would he accept a job if he was planning coming to UK all along?
By the time these things become public, it has been a done deal for a while. I figured that Coen's agent threw out the Bears interview to raise Coen's profile and make him look more valuable.
Now it all makes sense as to WHY Wolford returned. whether it's Rees or not, Stoops has his OC wrapped up right now and knew Coen was gone for at least 2 weeks or longer.
That's how these NFL jobs go.
I don't wish ill on someone just because they don't want to coach my favorite football team
Will always think a factor in all of this is Coen won't have to recruit. It can be said he should've known that coming back but maybe it was he was going to have to recruit more than he thought. While he obviously wanted a NFL job, not having to recruit made it even more attractive.
I don't see how Coen or anyone else would have known he had the Bucs job until very recently. Tampa Bay had a OC in good standing. So, he gets a head job, but who knew for sure that it would happen? But for that Coen is probably still here and still searching for a different job.
More & more college football coaches are saying the present atmosphere of the job is toxic. Recruiting high school kids, recruit portal transfers, recruit the whole damn roster so they don't leave to the portal, have to deal with NIL drama even though schools are not supposed to have anything to do with that.
NFL, coaches coach. Help build the draft board in the offseason. Free agents & contracts are handled by the front office & GM. Sponsorship is handled by player agents.
NFL, coaches coach. Help build the draft board in the offseason. Free agents & contracts are handled by the front office & GM. Sponsorship is handled by player agents.
Someone gets screwed either way.
College jobs can't be that attractive right now with the NIL and transfer portal. Not only do you have to recruit high school kids, you now have to recruit unhappy college kids along with dealing with all the NIL craziness. The pay is good though, so someone is going to be willing to do it when the other guy gets a promotion.
This myth is just exhausting. Stoops absolutely does not have a strangle hold on the offense. You apparently believe Stoops who has always been more of a defensive specialist gives his DC total freedom while dictating the OC's every move. There is no logic in that.
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If i saw stats right, UK passed more than ran this last season. I thought Coens attempts at multiple shifts and switching formations were a reason the Cats number of plays was so low.
I also wondered if the players ever really understood the plays and variations.
Which goes to show if the pass is complete and you score the OC is a genius. If not....well....
I also wondered if the players ever really understood the plays and variations.
Which goes to show if the pass is complete and you score the OC is a genius. If not....well....
I don’t believe Stoops gives the defense free rei, but he’s also been a successful defensive coach for 30 years, so he has a lot more to bring to that side of the ball. And where did I say he dictates the OC’s every move or have a stranglehold on the offense? You're putting words into my mouth.
So, do you think that we run the fewest plays in college football under Coen with Stoops not hovering? No way in hell imo
Did we run few plays because Stoops had his foot on the break? Or did we run few because we had recievers who didn't catch easy balls, a QB who got passes batted down?
What was our pace of play in 2021? Does anyone know? Did anyone care? Of course not. We ran the playclock down in 2021 also. Difference was we had a tough ass little 5'8 WR who would hang on to passes even getting blasted by SEC safeties. We had a qb who would get the ball over the linemen hands, and would tuck it and run for first downs.
What was our pace of play in 2021? Does anyone know? Did anyone care? Of course not. We ran the playclock down in 2021 also. Difference was we had a tough ass little 5'8 WR who would hang on to passes even getting blasted by SEC safeties. We had a qb who would get the ball over the linemen hands, and would tuck it and run for first downs.
For a guy who doesn't want to be here, why has he stayed here 12 years and starting #13?
Despite what his ardent fans said, his first stint he didn'tike recruiting. Unless it was in secret, he never traveled anywhere to see anyone. Granted when they came on campus, he was an elite closer. But he never traveled.
This stint we saw a handful of pics where he did travel to see some guys and in the pics be he looked jed just been good poisoned. The most recent pic he didn't even have on anything blue.
Just weird to me the guy hated it so bad despite being one of the very best in the biz. Typically being good at something makes people like it. But I can only guess he felt above it all. Jmo
That was on Coen and all the reads and audibles he wanted made. I do not believe for a second Stoops gave orders to run the play clock out every damn play.
If I am a HC and my highly paid and cocky OC’s offense put on a shit show like Coen’s did last year we would be butting heads. Coen’s offense is for the pro’s and glad he got out. Blame Stoops all you want because I am sure last years offense was exactly what he wanted from Coen. Remember he came back for round two no one made him. Without question It would have been the same shit show moving forward if he stayed. The love for Coen at this point is just not justified at all. Glad he has to pay us to leave rather than us firing him later with us owing him.
Firing Coen would have been a firestorm. We can honestly say our last QB disappointed, but I don't recall the offense being adjusted for his skills.
The running out the play clock was definitely on th coordinator. Not the Head Coach.
The running out the play clock was definitely on th coordinator. Not the Head Coach.
It is funny that a guy who did not like to recruit complained about who Vince recruited as well as him getting the credit for them.
I think Coen being one of the very best in the Biz is a real stretch. He had some elite offensive players his first time at UK that made him and that offense potent. The 2nd time around he had the RB, but not the rest of the offensive people and looked very ordinary.
Unless you watched the games, it's easy to confuse results with coaching deficiency. A large part of the difference this last season were drops. We dropped the ball at a historic rate. That was really the source of every problem.
Now part of that is on the coaches to put kids on the juggs till they get it fixed, but that's mostly just on the kids because a wr should focus on that themselves. There were some wr issues too with depth on routes, not reading zone, etc.
The very valid criticism is he didn't put some guys in their best position to succeed ie using browns for contested catches when key is miles better.
So we had guys almost always open by design. Combination of bad routes, bad throws, and historic rate of drops just derailed it all. To make matters worse, these snafus almost always came on shot plays schemed up or what would've been 3rd down conversions.
You forgot about Boley the QB recruited from Lexington and the Junior QB recruited next year, both Coens picks. So I doubt the future QB are the problem. More likely wanting to get back in the NFL and not having to worry about the mess in college sports called the NIL. We will probably never know why Coen flew the coop but the saddest point of all this is he played UK and the guys he recruited.
That’s a pretty good point. But…. We don’t know if that’s what happened. Stoops says he met with his assistants and they together decided to stay. Even if he had went to Texas ,Coen would have come with him. It just has a feel to me like Coen is the one who never keeps his word. Did he give Mcvey any assurance before he bolted on him. Coen has shown a pattern of leaving folks high n dry. Stoops hasn’t.
You can virtually bank that McVey was surprised at coen leaving after a year.
Also remember those reports after his decent run with Baker that coen was wavering on coming back? Knowing what we know now, especially the apparent connection with Baker, no doubt that was true.
So coen 1) probably really almost backed out after we already fired scang and 2) potentially planned to leave all along despite everything he said. Both of those sure seem more likely than not
Rumor/legend has it mid season 2022 Rams were awful and McVey told the entire staff he was likely to retire at srasons end and take a TV job for a while to rest up. And everyone should make plans for themselves for 2023. Then after that Coen/Stoops/McVey came to an informal agreement, Coen would coach Rams through their reg season and do no recruiting for UK, then leave for Lexington.
Coen said it was a 'no brainer' accepting the Bucs job. Mentioned Mayfield and also said his dad lives an hour and half from there and he is familiar with the area.
Coen would say the same thing about any job.
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