Coaching staff screwed Reeves…..

[CincinnatiWildcat]

Everyone saying, “this guy is legit so i believe it blindly” is part of the problem. This is the internet i don’t care who says whatever, I’m not believing it unless they post receipts to verify their claim. Everyone has their own agenda and what that is we don’t know. If they make a claim post the offer or communications you had, and the public can decide what it means.

 

[RunninRichie]

Everyone saying, “this guy is legit so i believe it blindly” is part of the problem. This is the internet i don’t care who says whatever, I’m not believing it unless they post receipts to verify their claim. Everyone has their own agenda and what that is we don’t know. If they make a claim post the offer or communications you had, and the public can decide what it means.

He was literally on KSR a few minutes ago.

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

Apparently at UK it varies by program, because this donor said football and basketball the process is different.

I doubt that that is true. The rule regarding NIL in Kentucky were established by an executive order, if memory serves me correctly. On UK's site, the NIL rules clearly say that UK staff cannot help with arrangements for NIL deals, nor can they provide an athlete's contact information to companies.

 

[CincinnatiWildcat]

He was literally on KSR a few minutes ago.

Ok him talking again… that’s not receipts of what actually happened just someone making claims. Maybe it is true idk but just someone yapping means nothing. We are talking business dealings they should have receipts for their claims

 

[DreadLox]

So they wanted to give Reeves $100k, Cal knew about it, refused to allow it and they had no way to speak to Antonio, his parents, manager, etc???

We are really believing all of those things happened? Like for real?

Cal was too busy grinding up babies and foreclosing on family farms to bother.

 

[susan2361]

Mitch needs to look into this, if it’s true, you fire Calipari immediately. Doesn’t get much dirtier than that.

Wouldn't that be classified as a problem for him to be fired "with cause" and therefore not have to pay the buyout? Just curious.

 

[peterfox16]

Ok him talking again… that’s not receipts of what actually happened just someone making claims. Maybe it is true idk but just someone yapping means nothing. We are talking business dealings they should have receipts for their claims

It’s not just receipts, it needs context. Even if he proves he offered 100k we don’t know if Panini or another store offered more. Maybe he was rejected because a store in Lexington offered $25 per auto. Why wouldn’t Antonio take a better deal?

 

[DreadLox]

Wouldn't that be classified as a problem for him to be fired "with cause" and therefore not have to pay the buyout? Just curious.

There's a post 2 above this one by susan2361.

On UK's site, the NIL rules clearly say that UK staff cannot help with arrangements for NIL deals, nor can they provide an athlete's contact information to companies.

Now people can continue to pretend, but it is clearly pretending. You're like an adult going around Trick or Treating. The mask doesn't help.

 

[saxonburgcat]

Wouldn't that be classified as a problem for him to be fired "with cause" and therefore not have to pay the buyout? Just curious.

You have a problem. Coaches cannot be involved in negotiating an NIL deal. Can't fire a coach for following the rules.

 

[saxonburgcat]

He was literally on KSR a few minutes ago.

I am curious what he said on KSR and what questions were asked. Did they ask him about why he involved coaching staff, for example?

 

[WyleECoyote]

You have a problem. Coaches cannot be involved in negotiating an NIL deal. Can't fire a coach for following the rules.

If coaches can't be involved why was the donor told it had to be approved through Cal?

 

[RunninRichie]

I am curious what he said on KSR and what questions were asked. Did they ask him about why he involved coaching staff, for example?

Didn't listen, but just heard he was gonna be on today.

 

[saxonburgcat]

If coaches can't be involved why was the donor told it had to be approved through Cal?

Good question. I'm not sure we have the answers we need at this point. I have never studied the NIL deals so I am not sure how they work. I just read the rule that coaches can't negotiate.

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

If coaches can't be involved why was the donor told it had to be approved through Cal?

Maybe he wasn't actually told that, or maybe he was told that by someone who doesn't understand the process. I can tell you according the rules on UK's site, staff is not allowed to arrange NIL or give out athletes contact information. The athlete is required to report NIL deals to the UK compliance office, which decides whether the deal complies with the executive order and NCAA rules. Coaches don't decide compliance.

 

[DreadLox]

Maybe he wasn't actually told that, or maybe he was told that by someone who doesn't understand the process. I can tell you according the rules on UK's site, staff is not allowed to arrange NIL or give out athletes contact information. The athlete is required to report NIL deals to the UK compliance office, which decides whether the deal complies with the executive order and NCAA rules. Coaches don't decide compliance.

Or maybe the whole thing is hooey.

 

[saxonburgcat]

Maybe he wasn't actually told that, or maybe he was told that by someone who doesn't understand the process. I can tell you according the rules on UK's site, staff is not allowed to arrange NIL or give out athletes contact information. The athlete is required to report NIL deals to the UK compliance office, which decides whether the deal complies with the executive order and NCAA rules. Coaches don't decide compliance.

Thanks! That makes perfect sense.

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

Or maybe the whole thing is hooey.

That's what I'm thinking but wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[UK90]

If coaches can't be involved why was the donor told it had to be approved through Cal?

Honestly, it’s confusing as hell. When it was first announced that NIL payments would now be allowed, they made it sound like they had to be entirely "outside" transactions without any involvement by the coaches/athletic departments. But that clearly seems to have been bullshit as evidence mounts that coaches and athletic departments clearly have been directly involved in organizing NIL deals.

Frankly, I'm not sure anyone truly knows where the line is now. Everyone's just winging it figuring the current NCAA is too impotent to stop them even if it is crossed.

 

[susan2361]

There's a post 2 above this one by susan2361.

On UK's site, the NIL rules clearly say that UK staff cannot help with arrangements for NIL deals, nor can they provide an athlete's contact information to companies.

Now people can continue to pretend, but it is clearly pretending. You're like an adult going around Trick or Treating. The mask doesn't help.

Thanks for setting me straight. I'm always learning.😃

 

[cat tat2]

Why is it so hard to contact basketball players and so easy to contact football players? Same rules apply correct?

 

[Blueaz]

I’ll take things that didn’t happen for $200, Alex

uh, you really are ignorant here... you may want to stay out
Im not a Bjames fan, but he knows what he is talking about with NIL...

 

[DreadLox]

Thanks for setting me straight. I'm always learning.😃

Just to clarify. My comment was directed at people who ignore the rules about staff and NIL and continue to post complaints. The "you" was some future poster who pretends not to know.

It wasn't directed at you.

 

[susan2361]

You have a problem. Coaches cannot be involved in negotiating an NIL deal. Can't fire a coach for following the rules.

Thanks for setting me straight. I'll admit I don't know a lot about this and when I try to read up on it, I get a little confused. That is my only problem with this. And I was just asking a question.

 

[Blueaz]

There's a post 2 above this one by susan2361.

On UK's site, the NIL rules clearly say that UK staff cannot help with arrangements for NIL deals, nor can they provide an athlete's contact information to companies.

Now people can continue to pretend, but it is clearly pretending. You're like an adult going around Trick or Treating. The mask doesn't help.

but they were doing this with football players, I assume it is different the last couple of years...MB is all over the place on this

 

[LXWildcat]

So they wanted to give Reeves $100k, Cal knew about it, refused to allow it and they had no way to speak to Antonio, his parents, manager, etc???

We are really believing all of those things happened? Like for real?

Why is it hard to believe? The guy is a legit person lmao

Ok him talking again… that’s not receipts of what actually happened just someone making claims. Maybe it is true idk but just someone yapping means nothing. We are talking business dealings they should have receipts for their claims

He literally said he has the texts and everything to back it up

 

[saxonburgcat]

Honestly, it’s confusing as hell. When it was first announced that NIL payments would now be allowed, they made it sound like they had to be entirely "outside" transactions without any involvement by the coaches/athletic departments. But that clearly seems to have been total bullshit as evidence mounts that coaches and athletic departments clearly are directly involved in organizing NIL deals.

Frankly, I'm not sure anyone truly knows where the line is now. Everyone's just winging it figuring the current NCAA is too impotent to stop them even if it is crossed.

I saw some articles on that and it was clear, as I recall, that coaches and athletic departments were not allowed to be involved. However, some were cheating anyway. But, that still doesn't negate the fact that it is against the rules and Cal cannot be fired for refusing to violate the rules.

 

[CincinnatiWildcat]

Why is it hard to believe? The guy is a legit person lmao

He literally said he has the texts and everything to back it up

Then he should post them and maybe people would believe him… forgive me for not blindly believing what people on the internet say

 

[saxonburgcat]

Thanks for setting me straight. I'll admit I don't know a lot about this and when I try to read up on it, I get a little confused. That is my only problem with this. And I was just asking a question.

I am in the same boat. I am trying to figure this out as well. It does seem clear but I am open to being corrected if I don't understand it correctly.

 

[susan2361]

Just to clarify. My comment was directed at people who ignore the rules about staff and NIL and continue to post complaints. The "you" was some future poster who pretends not to know.

It wasn't directed at you.

Thanks. That's cool. But I am learning more about this NIL stuff. To me, it's confusing...but then I don't have to deal with it all the time. But thanks for the explanation anyway.😃

 

[KySportsfan74]

Ok him talking again… that’s not receipts of what actually happened just someone making claims. Maybe it is true idk but just someone yapping means nothing. We are talking business dealings they should have receipts for their claims

I think its legit, the guy said he had all the text messages and the receipts to show it if they wanted to see it. I know the Will Levis deal is real from him that was written about before and he did several things for this shop when he was here.

 

[saxonburgcat]

I think its legit, the guy said he had all the text messages and the receipts to show it if they wanted to see it. I know the Will Levis deal is real from him that was written about before and he did several things for this shop when he was here.

So, from a compliance perspective, you are saying that our football team is breaking the rules and our basketball team isn't? (Using the UK website as a guide for the current rules)

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

Below is a question and answer for UK athletes that UK includes as a part of NIL information. This will explain a lot of the dos and don'ts without reading through all of the NIL rules.

University of Kentucky Name, Image & Likeness Frequently Asked Questions June 30, 2021

Question #1: Do I have to tell anyone at UK about an arrangement I have entered for payment for my NIL? YES. Per UK Athletics policy, a student-athlete is required to disclose any proposed contract or agreement 7 days prior to the activity to the Athletics Compliance Office.

Question #2: Am I allowed to wear UK branded gear in my NIL activity for compensation? Yes, in certain circumstances. UK logos and marks (i.e., university intellectual property) are only permitted based on approval by the university multimedia rights holder, JMI Sports. Any use of university intellectual property on retail product will require a separate licensing agreement. For retail products, contact Fermata Partners. License applications will be considered consistent with existing practice.

Question #3: Is a “booster” allowed to pay me for use of my NIL? YES. However, a “booster” or donor is only permitted to pay you for use of your NIL IF: 1) It is not used as a recruiting inducement or extra benefit; 2) It is not based on an athletic performance or achievement; and 3) It is not at the direction or arranged by a coach or institutional staff member.

Question #4: Are there companies that I am not allowed to enter into an agreement with to use my NIL? YES. You are not permitted to enter into an arrangement for compensation for your NIL for any of the following: 1) Lotteries, casinos, sports wagering facilities or online equivalents. 2) Products and establishments that market products exclusively to those 18 years of age or older. 3) Adult entertainment. 4) Tobacco, marijuana, nicotine vapor products. 5) Providers of higher education (other colleges and universities), health care, and related services.

Question #5: I am an international student-athlete. Am I allowed to have a contract/agreement with a company to pay me for use of my NIL? Yes, in certain circumstances. If you are an international student-athlete, you need to check with the International Student Office PRIOR to entering into a contract or agreement for compensation. The International Office can assist you with reviewing your VISA requirements to determine if this is something that you are permitted to do.

Question #6: If I am compensated by a company for use of my NIL, will it impact my athletics scholarship? NO. Your athletics scholarship (tuition, room, board, books, fees, and cost of attendance) will not be impacted by any compensation that you receive as part of a NIL arrangement.

Question #7: Will any NIL compensation I receive impact my ability to receive a Pell grant or other need-based financial aid? YES. Any NIL compensation that you receive could impact your ability to receive a Pell grant or any other need-based financial aid. You should contact the University of Kentucky Financial Aid office for any additional questions regarding this.

Question #8: Is my coach or other UK staff member allowed to make calls to companies to try to help arrange a NIL deal for me? NO. No university employees (including coaches and staff) are permitted to make any arrangements to help you with a NIL deal. This includes providing your contact information to companies.

Question #9: What happens if I don’t report my NIL contract/agreement to the Athletics Compliance Office? You may lose eligibility and/or be suspended from team activities (including practice).

Question #10: Am I required to pay taxes on any NIL compensation I receive? YES. You should consult a financial advisor, accountant, or tax attorney for specific reporting requirements.

Question #11:Am I allowed to use an agent or other outside third party to negotiate a NIL contract? YES. The agent needs to be registered with the state of Kentucky and the UK Athletics Compliance Office prior to involvement in negotiations. The agent is also limited to only providing counsel to the NIL agreement, not for future professional playing opportunities.

Question #12: Can I miss practice/competition to participate in a NIL promotional activity? NO. Per UK Athletics NIL policy, you may not miss any required team activities (CARA or RARA), class, or any other academic obligations (i.e. tutors) in order to participate in NIL opportunities.

Question 13: Can I take a picture that a UK photographer has taken of me and make copies of it to use at an autograph signing and/or sell copies of the photo? Yes, provided you obtain a license to use the image, which is subject to copyright ownership. You may contact XOS Digital to inquire about obtaining a license.

Question 14: Can I develop a Nonfungible Token (NFT)? Yes, provided you do not use University of Kentucky intellectual property, or you obtain a license for any University of Kentucky intellectual property.

Question 15:Can university staff help me develop graphics for my NIL activities? No. UK NIL policy does not allow staff to arrange NIL activities for studentathletes.

 

[saxonburgcat]

Below is a question and answer for UK athletes that UK includes as a part of NIL information. This will explain a lot of the dos and don'ts without reading through all of the NIL rules.

University of Kentucky Name, Image & Likeness Frequently Asked Questions June 30, 2021

Question #1: Do I have to tell anyone at UK about an arrangement I have entered for payment for my NIL? YES. Per UK Athletics policy, a student-athlete is required to disclose any proposed contract or agreement 7 days prior to the activity to the Athletics Compliance Office.

Question #2: Am I allowed to wear UK branded gear in my NIL activity for compensation? Yes, in certain circumstances. UK logos and marks (i.e., university intellectual property) are only permitted based on approval by the university multimedia rights holder, JMI Sports. Any use of university intellectual property on retail product will require a separate licensing agreement. For retail products, contact Fermata Partners. License applications will be considered consistent with existing practice.

Question #3: Is a “booster” allowed to pay me for use of my NIL? YES. However, a “booster” or donor is only permitted to pay you for use of your NIL IF: 1) It is not used as a recruiting inducement or extra benefit; 2) It is not based on an athletic performance or achievement; and 3) It is not at the direction or arranged by a coach or institutional staff member.

Question #4: Are there companies that I am not allowed to enter into an agreement with to use my NIL? YES. You are not permitted to enter into an arrangement for compensation for your NIL for any of the following: 1) Lotteries, casinos, sports wagering facilities or online equivalents. 2) Products and establishments that market products exclusively to those 18 years of age or older. 3) Adult entertainment. 4) Tobacco, marijuana, nicotine vapor products. 5) Providers of higher education (other colleges and universities), health care, and related services.

Question #5: I am an international student-athlete. Am I allowed to have a contract/agreement with a company to pay me for use of my NIL? Yes, in certain circumstances. If you are an international student-athlete, you need to check with the International Student Office PRIOR to entering into a contract or agreement for compensation. The International Office can assist you with reviewing your VISA requirements to determine if this is something that you are permitted to do.

Question #6: If I am compensated by a company for use of my NIL, will it impact my athletics scholarship? NO. Your athletics scholarship (tuition, room, board, books, fees, and cost of attendance) will not be impacted by any compensation that you receive as part of a NIL arrangement.

Question #7: Will any NIL compensation I receive impact my ability to receive a Pell grant or other need-based financial aid? YES. Any NIL compensation that you receive could impact your ability to receive a Pell grant or any other need-based financial aid. You should contact the University of Kentucky Financial Aid office for any additional questions regarding this.

Question #8: Is my coach or other UK staff member allowed to make calls to companies to try to help arrange a NIL deal for me? NO. No university employees (including coaches and staff) are permitted to make any arrangements to help you with a NIL deal. This includes providing your contact information to companies.

Question #9: What happens if I don’t report my NIL contract/agreement to the Athletics Compliance Office? You may lose eligibility and/or be suspended from team activities (including practice).

Question #10: Am I required to pay taxes on any NIL compensation I receive? YES. You should consult a financial advisor, accountant, or tax attorney for specific reporting requirements.

Question #11:Am I allowed to use an agent or other outside third party to negotiate a NIL contract? YES. The agent needs to be registered with the state of Kentucky and the UK Athletics Compliance Office prior to involvement in negotiations. The agent is also limited to only providing counsel to the NIL agreement, not for future professional playing opportunities.

Question #12: Can I miss practice/competition to participate in a NIL promotional activity? NO. Per UK Athletics NIL policy, you may not miss any required team activities (CARA or RARA), class, or any other academic obligations (i.e. tutors) in order to participate in NIL opportunities.

Question 13: Can I take a picture that a UK photographer has taken of me and make copies of it to use at an autograph signing and/or sell copies of the photo? Yes, provided you obtain a license to use the image, which is subject to copyright ownership. You may contact XOS Digital to inquire about obtaining a license.

Question 14: Can I develop a Nonfungible Token (NFT)? Yes, provided you do not use University of Kentucky intellectual property, or you obtain a license for any University of Kentucky intellectual property.

Question 15:Can university staff help me develop graphics for my NIL activities? No. UK NIL policy does not allow staff to arrange NIL activities for studentathletes.

I am not sure how much more clear this could be??

Question #8: Is my coach or other UK staff member allowed to make calls to companies to try to help arrange a NIL deal for me? NO. No university employees (including coaches and staff) are permitted to make any arrangements to help you with a NIL deal. This includes providing your contact information to companies.

 

[KySportsfan74]

So, from a compliance perspective, you are saying that our football team is breaking the rules and our basketball team isn't? (Using the UK website as a guide for the current rules)

You can interpret that however you want, but yeah it sounds like to me if what he is saying is true Calipari was not in fact following the rules set for by the university. That most likely is just a UK compliance and not a national compliance thing as this whole NIL thing seems like the wild west right now. I do not know what the specifics are on "arranging" an NIL deal as the language is written in UK's policy. The guy said he was told Football and Basketball work under different set of rules and it sounded as though that was due to Calipari. Sounds like this guy was told all NIL deals had to be passed through Calipari before they were then moved on to the NIL agent.

 

[ThroughBlue]

Tell yourself whatever you want to make yourself feel better about the current state of the program. Brady isnt lying.

 

[Cayts69]

uh, you really are ignorant here... you may want to stay out
Im not a Bjames fan, but he knows what he is talking about with NIL...

lol ok, sure.

 

[RunninRichie]

Brady contacted UK’s NIL agents and they told him he has to get ahold of Cal. Because it all goes through Cal. Hence he reached out to Orlando.

 

[Blueaz]

lol ok, sure.

yes, SURE

 

[cat tat2]

Brady contacted UK’s NIL agents and they told him he has to get ahold of Cal. Because it all goes through Cal. Hence he reached out to Orlando.

So going through Calipari is breaking the rules correct? According to question #8.

 

[RunninRichie]

So going through Calipari is breaking the rules correct? According to question #8.

Hell maybe so. Who really knows? Tennessee was straight breaking all the NIL rules. They sued when the NCAA started investigating.