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The reason is more absurd. He said while he didn’t particularly like it, the fans did, so he gave it four stars.
so you gave Andre/Hogan NEGATIVE stars, but the fans liked it. You give Warrior matches no stars, but fans liked them.
I’ve said since day one, he was on the payroll. It’s fine that he is, but just admit it
I went to college at Murray State.
Went to a football game with a friend. The band kept on chanting "hi announcer" or something to get the PA guy to say "Hi Racer Band".
Friend looked at me and said, "The band would be happy in an empty stadium if they got to chant and have the PA talk to them".
I think that applies to modern wrestling crowds as well.
Went to a football game with a friend. The band kept on chanting "hi announcer" or something to get the PA guy to say "Hi Racer Band".
Friend looked at me and said, "The band would be happy in an empty stadium if they got to chant and have the PA talk to them".
I think that applies to modern wrestling crowds as well.
Watching the Olympics.
Fake wrestling is much more entertaining than real wrestling
Fake wrestling is much more entertaining than real wrestling
According to Dave Meltzer of Wrestling Observer Radio (h/t Felix Upton of Ringside News), Wyatt was off television because of "medical reasons" and had only recently gotten cleared to return.
Meltzer added that before WWE could put him back on TV, it decided to release him, telling Wyatt that the move was done for "budgetary reasons."
Wyatt's last match in WWE came at WrestleMania 37 against Randy Orton. Surprisingly, Wyatt lost the match when he got distracted by Alexa Bliss.
Bray appeared in a Firefly Funhouse segment the next night on Raw but never resurfaced on television after that.
It is unclear what Wyatt's medical issue was and how long it had been impacting him, as he was kept off television for a few months before the build to WrestleMania as well.
Given that Wyatt has reportedly been medically cleared, it stands to reason he will be able and ready to wrestle immediately should he sign elsewhere.
Leading up to his release, Wyatt was reportedly frustrated with the creative direction of his character.
Fightful's Sean Ross Sapp reported such as part of a live stream Saturday on YouTube shortly after Wyatt's release was announced.
Sapp said those who he spoke to within WWE told him Wyatt "wasn't receptive" to some of the ideas pitched to him if they didn't fit his vision of the character. Also, Sapp said he had been told that Wyatt has "not been all in on wrestling as of late."
Wyatt is widely regarded as one of the best creative minds in wrestling, and it is easy to see why, as he brought the original Wyatt Family leader character to life and eventually transitioned into the split personality of Firefly Funhouse Wyatt and The Fiend.
Some strange creative decisions regarding Wyatt's character were made in the months before his release. It started at TLC in December when Orton beat The Fiend in a Firefly Inferno match.
When The Fiend returned in March, he was burnt and mangled, although he was back to normal for his WrestleMania match against Orton.
The booking of the WrestleMania match was surprising given that The Fiend was widely expected to win and go on a big run after the fact.
It is unclear if losing at WrestleMania played into Wyatt's dissatisfaction, but it was a less-than-ideal way for him to go out.
Wyatt reportedly may not have been on the best terms with WWE Chairman Vince McMahon prior to his release.
According to PWInsider (h/t Upton), the relationship between Wyatt and McMahon "ran very hot and cold at times."
It is a somewhat surprising revelation given that Wyatt was seemingly provided more slack and leeway from a creative perspective than almost anyone else in the company, which isn't something McMahon takes lightly.
That type of treatment is normally reserved for only the top stars in the company, with Roman Reigns, John Cena and Orton serving as current examples.
PWInsider also reported that McMahon giving WWE President Nick Khan carte blanche to make significant financial decisions may have contributed to Wyatt's release as well.
It was noted by PWInsider that McMahon has given Khan "the ability to run things far more than anyone else has historically been able to accomplish," and because of that, there is "likely less of a pushback" from McMahon when the idea of releasing a high-priced wrestler is discussed.
A similar situation seemingly happened with Strowman last month, as Strowman was one of WWE's top guys and was likely being compensated like one as well.
If Wyatt's release was indeed financially motivated, it marks a continuation of the shift away from WWE's previous stance, which was to sign and pile up as much talent as possible.
WWE Reportedly Almost Released Wyatt Previously
While Wyatt was released from WWE on Saturday, the company reportedly considered releasing him prior to that.
According to Fightful Select (h/t Upton), Wyatt's "name was brought up" when previous roster cuts were made.
WWE parted ways with multiple Superstars shortly after WrestleMania and did so again in early June.
Since Wyatt appeared on Raw the night after WrestleMania 37, it is likely safe to assume there were no plans at that point to release him. That could mean Wyatt was considered for a June 2 release, which is when Strowman, Black and a handful of others were let go.
WWE's roster moves have reportedly been financially motivated in the midst of WWE continuing to report record profits thanks largely to its billion-dollar television deals with Fox and NBC Universal.
Meltzer added that before WWE could put him back on TV, it decided to release him, telling Wyatt that the move was done for "budgetary reasons."
Wyatt's last match in WWE came at WrestleMania 37 against Randy Orton. Surprisingly, Wyatt lost the match when he got distracted by Alexa Bliss.
Bray appeared in a Firefly Funhouse segment the next night on Raw but never resurfaced on television after that.
It is unclear what Wyatt's medical issue was and how long it had been impacting him, as he was kept off television for a few months before the build to WrestleMania as well.
Given that Wyatt has reportedly been medically cleared, it stands to reason he will be able and ready to wrestle immediately should he sign elsewhere.
Leading up to his release, Wyatt was reportedly frustrated with the creative direction of his character.
Fightful's Sean Ross Sapp reported such as part of a live stream Saturday on YouTube shortly after Wyatt's release was announced.
Sapp said those who he spoke to within WWE told him Wyatt "wasn't receptive" to some of the ideas pitched to him if they didn't fit his vision of the character. Also, Sapp said he had been told that Wyatt has "not been all in on wrestling as of late."
Wyatt is widely regarded as one of the best creative minds in wrestling, and it is easy to see why, as he brought the original Wyatt Family leader character to life and eventually transitioned into the split personality of Firefly Funhouse Wyatt and The Fiend.
Some strange creative decisions regarding Wyatt's character were made in the months before his release. It started at TLC in December when Orton beat The Fiend in a Firefly Inferno match.
When The Fiend returned in March, he was burnt and mangled, although he was back to normal for his WrestleMania match against Orton.
The booking of the WrestleMania match was surprising given that The Fiend was widely expected to win and go on a big run after the fact.
It is unclear if losing at WrestleMania played into Wyatt's dissatisfaction, but it was a less-than-ideal way for him to go out.
Wyatt reportedly may not have been on the best terms with WWE Chairman Vince McMahon prior to his release.
According to PWInsider (h/t Upton), the relationship between Wyatt and McMahon "ran very hot and cold at times."
It is a somewhat surprising revelation given that Wyatt was seemingly provided more slack and leeway from a creative perspective than almost anyone else in the company, which isn't something McMahon takes lightly.
That type of treatment is normally reserved for only the top stars in the company, with Roman Reigns, John Cena and Orton serving as current examples.
PWInsider also reported that McMahon giving WWE President Nick Khan carte blanche to make significant financial decisions may have contributed to Wyatt's release as well.
It was noted by PWInsider that McMahon has given Khan "the ability to run things far more than anyone else has historically been able to accomplish," and because of that, there is "likely less of a pushback" from McMahon when the idea of releasing a high-priced wrestler is discussed.
A similar situation seemingly happened with Strowman last month, as Strowman was one of WWE's top guys and was likely being compensated like one as well.
If Wyatt's release was indeed financially motivated, it marks a continuation of the shift away from WWE's previous stance, which was to sign and pile up as much talent as possible.
WWE Reportedly Almost Released Wyatt Previously
While Wyatt was released from WWE on Saturday, the company reportedly considered releasing him prior to that.
According to Fightful Select (h/t Upton), Wyatt's "name was brought up" when previous roster cuts were made.
WWE parted ways with multiple Superstars shortly after WrestleMania and did so again in early June.
Since Wyatt appeared on Raw the night after WrestleMania 37, it is likely safe to assume there were no plans at that point to release him. That could mean Wyatt was considered for a June 2 release, which is when Strowman, Black and a handful of others were let go.
WWE's roster moves have reportedly been financially motivated in the midst of WWE continuing to report record profits thanks largely to its billion-dollar television deals with Fox and NBC Universal.
Nick Khan may be the death of WWE.
Just a reminder, according to Meltzer, the following wrestlers have never competed in a 5-star match during their careers: Kurt Angle, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, The Rock, Edge, Randy Savage, Curt Hennig, Brock Lesnar, Chris Benoit, Triple H, Dean Malenko.
Here's some guys who have actually wrestled in 5-star matches according to Meltzer: Chuck Taylor, Trent, Santana, Ortiz, Jon Moxley and 50 year old Dustin Rhodes.
When you have a scale that has Trent and Chuck Taylor with a five star match and not Angle or Savage, you have a broken system
Along with what Wesley posted, Wyatt was supposed to win at WrestleMania then it was changed the day of.
In another reason why the IWC is awful people went after Alexa on Twitter blaming her. There was an unfounded rumor she asked for her release.
Wyatts 90 days is up the week before AEW Full Gear.
Also Raw is in Chicago tonight, that could be a fun crowd.
In another reason why the IWC is awful people went after Alexa on Twitter blaming her. There was an unfounded rumor she asked for her release.
Wyatts 90 days is up the week before AEW Full Gear.
Also Raw is in Chicago tonight, that could be a fun crowd.
It’s actually being reported now that in wwe internally they forgot when Coles contract was up and that he’s only working on a verbal agreement.
Either way, I’d be very surprised if he stays with wwe. I know AEW is starting to get very large but he’s too good to pass on but the biggest thing is his best friends are evps and his girlfriend is the women’s champ. He’s been videoed and photographed at many AEW parties and events so I’m sure he’s been in touch with Khan.
Wondering if he could be the thing reported last week that was “interesting” in addition to punk and Bryan.
Either way, I’d be very surprised if he stays with wwe. I know AEW is starting to get very large but he’s too good to pass on but the biggest thing is his best friends are evps and his girlfriend is the women’s champ. He’s been videoed and photographed at many AEW parties and events so I’m sure he’s been in touch with Khan.
Wondering if he could be the thing reported last week that was “interesting” in addition to punk and Bryan.
Ya we discussed that back in April- maybe they knew they had no plans with his character back then
Except when they wrestle with a broken freaking neck.
How in the world does a billion dollar company lose track of a contract expiration? Hey, Vince, if you need someone to make a damn Excel spreadsheet for you, I’m your guy!
To me, it's like they are 2 scrawny brothers who individually aren't imposing at all and would not be very good singles wrestlers. But when they work together, they are scrappy enough (and heelish enough, when they are heels) together to beat anyone.
Otherwise, you have to level the same criticisms upon CM Punk, or Danielson, or Adam Cole, or a host of other wrestlers who aren't very physically imposing but have gone over many larger opponents.
If you think about it, the bright outfits with the flamboyant fringes, the goofy pose, and their slight builds all work together to make you hate them even more, so it works for their heel characters.
They also lost track of black’s non compete clause
Also think it’s funny/ironic people on here are saying aew needs to be selective on who they bring in and everyone wwe is releasing zcat says aew needs to pick them up.
they also paid Lanny Poffo 6 figures for years and never once used him
I have a few hot takes. While he is good and knows how to control things with the mic, I’ve never been completely wow’d by CM Punk. To me he’s a very good Indy star with the gift of gab.
Daniel Bryan and AJ Styles are two great ones in the ring that I love watching, but I don’t see either of those being guys to carry companies either. I see those guys as GREAT talents who can keep the show going and will provide great matches that keep you from making a popcorn run but not who you put on the headline of the card. They are key parts of the show but I’ve always been a fan of the larger than life main eventers. No doubt in my mind that Bryan and AJ could wrestle circles and put on a better show than hulk, Roman, drew, Luger, Sting, Taker, etc, but something about them being smaller sized doesn’t give off the superhero thing needed to “carry a company”. They’re perfect for a roster though because as ive always said, wrestling was at its best in the 80’s and 90’s where the under and mid card didn’t have matches, they told stories. Now, all you see are the main events with storylines and half the time those don’t even have them.
Daniel Bryan and AJ Styles are two great ones in the ring that I love watching, but I don’t see either of those being guys to carry companies either. I see those guys as GREAT talents who can keep the show going and will provide great matches that keep you from making a popcorn run but not who you put on the headline of the card. They are key parts of the show but I’ve always been a fan of the larger than life main eventers. No doubt in my mind that Bryan and AJ could wrestle circles and put on a better show than hulk, Roman, drew, Luger, Sting, Taker, etc, but something about them being smaller sized doesn’t give off the superhero thing needed to “carry a company”. They’re perfect for a roster though because as ive always said, wrestling was at its best in the 80’s and 90’s where the under and mid card didn’t have matches, they told stories. Now, all you see are the main events with storylines and half the time those don’t even have them.
I haven’t seen anyone saying they should sign everyone. Andrade and Black were no brainer but there’s been like 20+ others just this year they’ve rightly passed on. Cole is a no brainer due to skill and his history.
Braun and now Bray are the only other two I’d personally consider outside of maybe a women’s wrestler. I’d been leaning no on Braun because he doesn’t exactly fit AEW’s style of having to be a good wrestler plus he isn’t exactly popular with AEW fans, but if he came in with Bray I think fans could get past their feeling towards him just because they like Bray. Only thing is Bray isn’t exactly great in ring either.
Cole should be gone after hard. I’m fine either way on the others.
So WWE has officially pushed Flair off into the ocean on his block of ice.
I really hope AEW doesn’t bring him in. He adds nothing except maybe behind the scenes. Although I did see JR and a couple other AEW employees posting pics of themselves with Ric over the last week or two. Hopefully he was just visiting.
Charlotte would be a different story. No clue on her contract but she clearly isn’t scared of getting fired. She’s repeatedly tweeted about Andrade and aew since he started and I think she’s getting tired of wwe fans. I saw a rumor that Nikki ASH cashing in on her was punishment for Charlotte because management wasn’t happy with her flipping off the crowd. Probably bs but she does seem kinda annoyed with the fans.
But that all happened before Flair was released today. How could AEW have anticipated that? Talking with someone under contract would be tampering.
New Flair AEW shirt:
ARRIVE
DOUBLE CROSS STING
LEAVE
ARRIVE
DOUBLE CROSS STING
LEAVE
Flair is a bitter old man. The most blatant ripoff in wrestling is him stealing Nature Boy from Buddy Roger's and then he's got the nerve to sue over Becky Lynch using The Man. Now he's upset about sexually sensitive material.
1) you’re right. The Becky thing was dumb because everyone in wrestling steals
2) what was the sexual stuff?
I forgot about that. Lol.
At least they’d use the Sheik for some enhancements lol
The stuff with Lacey before she got pregnant. Don't get me wrong, it was tasteless but when did he start caring.
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