CI Wrestling Thread #56
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That’s pretty much line that movie ‘the great white hype’. They convinced an amateur he could go with a pro.
Per Wrestlenomics, the initial Dynamite rating of 801,000 didn't include the 6-minute overrun. Now included, the 801,000 average is brought down to 798,000. That's two weeks in a row Dynamite couldn't reach an average of 800,000. We're watching a weekly show where fans are changing the channel throughout, coming back briefly for the top of the 9 o'clock hour, then leaving again. They've got serious issues if viewers are now turning the show off during the main event too.
I would love for AEW/WWE to come to an agreement for R-Truth to show up in AEW to do a promo only to find out he's not at WWE and say my bad.
Weird show overall. The pacing seemed off all night. Did Rock's segment run over again?
Also I think it was mentioned above but Sasha’s theme is terrible - there’s some music and a constant “CEO” chant.
I guarantee it went long. Hell they went to that tag match with zero introductions.
And the Orton introduction was long. Like I said, the pacing of the show was really off last night.
I doubt the Rock really cares about time cues. Bruce Prichard said that famous ‘this is your life’ segment went almost 20 minutes long and screwed the entire show up
Thought WWE was meh this week. Raw was sort of dull and watching UK not show up last night didn't help my viewing experience with SD but from what I saw, again, meh. They finally hit us with the Hollywood Rock theme though, which was nice.
Saw Nikki Bella on twitter shilling for AEW, saying how she wants and needs to be there because it's a (women's) global revolution with Mercedes there. C'mon TK, pay those twins millions. Everyone knows they're the ones who really kicked off a new era in women's wrestling. It all started with those WWE HOF catalog models. This'll be interesting to watch - not the Bellas - but women's wrestling fans forcing AEW to showcase more and more women's wrestling. WWE can get away with the occasional women's main event or a women's RR or War Games. Not sure AEW can and if Wednesday is any indication, fans will just change the channel.
Saw Nikki Bella on twitter shilling for AEW, saying how she wants and needs to be there because it's a (women's) global revolution with Mercedes there. C'mon TK, pay those twins millions. Everyone knows they're the ones who really kicked off a new era in women's wrestling. It all started with those WWE HOF catalog models. This'll be interesting to watch - not the Bellas - but women's wrestling fans forcing AEW to showcase more and more women's wrestling. WWE can get away with the occasional women's main event or a women's RR or War Games. Not sure AEW can and if Wednesday is any indication, fans will just change the channel.
Brie is married to Danielson, Nikki was in the power couple with Cena. Amazingly, they're both much better than Maxxine which begs the question, why are we seeing her on Raw every week?
Finally went to Cagematch to check out who their contributors listed as the top 10 wrestlers of all-time.
1 Kenta Kobashi
2 Mitsuharu Misawa
3 Toshiaki Kawada
4 Manami Toyota
5 Akira Hokuto
6 Mayu Iwatani
7 Kazuchika Okada
8 Jumbo Tsuruta
9 Hiroshi Tanahashi
10 Lou Thesz
So, yeah.
All those guys were great in Kurosawa's 1954 classic Seven Samurai. Was shocked when Lou Thesz showed up as a wandering basket maker though.
They just don't do Fire Death Mack Truck fever dream bloodbath matches like they used to.
I’d love to see the look on the faces of these guys if they actually watched a Lou Thesz match.
I can listen to about 2 minutes of his online promos. Can’t watch him talk for 8-10 straight minutes. He knows how to talk shit though.
Don't want to hear anyone complain about the overselling of the Fameasser from a couple of weeks ago after seeing this.
Meh, not everything needs to be a competition between the two companies but if you wanna go there...sure, that's needless overselling but ole boy from a couple weeks back took the Fameasser, no sold it and popped back up, walked around to find the ropes, and as Cornette put it, threw himself over the top rope as if he was committing suicide. Both aren't great, but the AEW one was next level ridiculous. Anyway, the king of overselling is HBK during his match with Hulkster.
Alrighty. No one should complain about overselling in one company if it also occurs in another company.
If people want to laugh at the Fameasser spot, let them. If people want to laugh at the spot on SD, let them. Doesn't always gotta be an either/or comparison between the two companies.
If people want to laugh at the Fameasser spot, let them. If people want to laugh at the spot on SD, let them. Doesn't always gotta be an either/or comparison between the two companies.
Dave must be back on the payroll…
Dave Meltzer believes Will Ospreay has "more charisma" and is "much better" in the ring than Cody Rhodes:
"WWE doesn't 'need' him - they don't 'need' anyone. But he is the most talented wrestler in the world, and it was a miss by WWE not getting him. He's got more charisma than Cody Rhodes, and look at Cody Rhodes there, you know?
"I've seen him in programs, I saw him with the Kenny Omega promo, I saw him with Michael Oku, he can do that stuff. There was the question, but even the promo on Wednesday, it's like, he can be that guy.
"It would take him a little while to get to the Seth Rollins level, but once he got there, he would surpass him. And with Cody, Cody has so much goodwill - I'm not saying he would surpass Cody, but in time he probably would just because he's 30 and Cody's 38. He's on the way up and Cody's (already) there.
"In the ring, he's much better than Cody. Cody's fantastic as a character, and his story, he really made the story work.
"The funny part is, essentially, Will can do the same story in AEW. It won't be as big because they don't have a Roman Reigns opponent, and the AEW Title historically doesn't mean as much as the WWE Title to as many people. But they can still do that story."
(Wrestling Observer Radio)
Dave Meltzer believes Will Ospreay has "more charisma" and is "much better" in the ring than Cody Rhodes:
"WWE doesn't 'need' him - they don't 'need' anyone. But he is the most talented wrestler in the world, and it was a miss by WWE not getting him. He's got more charisma than Cody Rhodes, and look at Cody Rhodes there, you know?
"I've seen him in programs, I saw him with the Kenny Omega promo, I saw him with Michael Oku, he can do that stuff. There was the question, but even the promo on Wednesday, it's like, he can be that guy.
"It would take him a little while to get to the Seth Rollins level, but once he got there, he would surpass him. And with Cody, Cody has so much goodwill - I'm not saying he would surpass Cody, but in time he probably would just because he's 30 and Cody's 38. He's on the way up and Cody's (already) there.
"In the ring, he's much better than Cody. Cody's fantastic as a character, and his story, he really made the story work.
"The funny part is, essentially, Will can do the same story in AEW. It won't be as big because they don't have a Roman Reigns opponent, and the AEW Title historically doesn't mean as much as the WWE Title to as many people. But they can still do that story."
(Wrestling Observer Radio)
I don't know if either of them are supercharismatic, but if you don't think that Ospreay is much better in ring than Cody, I'm not sure what you are watching. And that's not a shot at Cody....Ospreay is just that much better than anyone right now.
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