Calipari is frustrated with the fan base .
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Glad to see you misinterpreted my post completely. I hope Cal is here next year. I sorely want Cal to fix this mess.
My intent was the same as yours. Most of us run with a small circle of friends who tend to agree on things.
One thing every fan can agree on is that this program is broken right now.
What we are obviously struggling to agree on is how does the program get revitalized and can (will) Cal be the person to do it going forward.
Everyone has an opinion on this issue, and all are entitled to voice their opinions.
Even those who you disagree with.
Like I said in another post. Cal has managed to do something I thought impossible. Cal has divided the most loyal fan base in the world.
IMO, that is the worst thing he has done to our program. He alone has made many fans stop watching or caring.
Yes. And this will ultimately bring about change. When fans return to Rupp Arena and the arena is at about 50% capacity, Mitch will start listening.
Here's the deal, young teams choke in the tournament when the heat really gets applied. That's what happened in 2014 in the title game, it's what happened at the free throw line in 2018 against KSU and it's what happened in the E8 against Auburn, both at the free throw line and with our pg. The 2010 team choked too.
With Cal, we are always going to be young and the only way to overcome it, is by getting an AD or a Zion, but generational players are no longer going to college.
Whether you want to admit it or not, Cal puts the NBA draft ahead of UK's success. It will really come to a head in a couple weeks when 3 guys go to the NBA draft after a year in which we had somewhere around 10 wins.
It is Cal's NBA first draft culture that caused the downturn since 2015 and it most certainly is the #1 reason for this pathetic season.
I refuse to support a guy that prioritizes the nba draft over UK, then gets mad at the fans for being pissed about it.
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No, no, no, we hired Cal when he had no titles and two final four seasons vacated. That's the bar.
To pick at your premise a little . . .
1. If they "easily could have been in the FF" then why weren't we? Why did we struggle to ultimately lose to a short handed Auburn team in a close game?
2. Eilte 8's are not the accomplishment for blue blood teams. It realistically means you beat 1 team in your class most seasons to get there right? The first two rounds you are pretty strong favorites each time and expected to win. Then one toss up game maybe.
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You had previously said you did not want to see Cal fired. You still going with that? I don’t care. Just wondering.
We also hired Adolph Rupp, Joe B Hall, Eddie Sutton, Rick Pitino, Tubby Smith, BCG, and John Calipari as coaches who had never won an NCAA championship.
These Cal lovers who spout off about not hiring a coach without a NC pedigree are oblivious to every coach hired at UK, including JC.
Coaching at UK provides the opportunity for a decent coach to win a NC. Not the other way around.
Cal would still be at 0 NC had he not come to KY. in my opinion.
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So let’s say Cal gets fired Beard comes in here and Billy Gs us. Then we hire Pearl, he comes in and takes us to whole other level of suck. Never again another elite player to suit up here. Is that really what you want?
Suppose this season becomes the normal. Double digit losses, early losses in the tourney, provided we make it, multiple NIT bids. Is that what you really want?
So what you are saying is that Cal IS UK basketball and we are shit and we can never hire a good coach again.UK might as well shut the program down when Cal leaves.
So let’s fire Cal over one damn bad season. Is that what you’re saying?
Dude , there is no way Cal is getting fired. I don’t think anyone believes that will happen.
You realize we have a losing record against ranked teams since 2015 right ? So where’s this one season talk coming from ? Besides, Cal is NOT getting fired , and shouldn’t be .
dude, he knows all this. I’m not saying he is an all out imbecile but just remember you’re clearly having a dialogue with someone rather simple minded. If something is obviously red he will say it’s dark pink. If something is obviously blue he’ll say it’s light purple.
The John Calipari first fans are easy to spot a mile away. Most are so enamored and doe eyed for his “ stance and fight” that they simply ignore the obvious and lap up everything he says and does because, after all, they support John Calipari first and Kentucky basketball second.
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I’ve seen you post some decent stuff before I think. But that’s just crazy.
We all know Cal will not be fired. So why do you keep asking this. I want him to leave.
No, I don't want him fired, but I refuse to support him while he flips us the bird as he satisfies his NBA draft boner.
It’s not possible to fire him, the buyout is too ridiculous and it's a bad look to fire him with what he did from 2009 through 2015.
My only hope is that he changes things, or feels the heat from UK brass, donors and the BBN.
His whole motto, "it's about the kids" is a farce. You can't say that and watch a bunch of kids leave early and land in the GL or overseas.
You can make it about the kids AND the program and make it to where everybody comes out on top. Right now, it's about NBA draft picks, not the kids. Boston didn't need help, Clarke didn’t need help, Wall didn't need help, Bam, Monk, Fox, Cuz, Knight, AD, Gilchrist, Towns, Booker and Randle, didn't need help. Briscoe, Lamb, Teague, Orton, SKJ, Hagans, EJ, Allen, Baker, Juzang, Matthews, Hawkins and many others, needed Cal's help and he failed them. Yeah, some of them bit the hand that feeds, but that's because his culture is missing communication and individual plans for each player.
This one and done farce needs to end, he will never win a title with it, not when there are 10 + teams out there that are built with seasoned juniors and seniors that don't choke and don’t have 1 foot out the door.
he might not be fired but i sure as hell wish he would leave i can not stand him.
Everyone keeps saying they don’t want him fired but want change. I understand, he won’t be fired. But I want change, and I don’t care if it’s by being fired, him walking for another job, or his ego. Whatever it takes. I want change. And that’s not happening as long as Mr. One and Done is here. It just isn’t. So I don’t mind saying yes, fire him.
Everyone just needs to relax and enjoy the ride. Kentucky Basketball didn't even exist before Calipari got here, well, except those two years with Billy Clyde.
Now, when Calipari leaves, Kentucky Basketball will simply fade away. There isn't a replacement for John Calipari...
Now, when Calipari leaves, Kentucky Basketball will simply fade away. There isn't a replacement for John Calipari...
10 years from now, after another 3 NIT appearances, 0 final fours, 3rd in all time wins, another 20 losses in Rupp, another couple Evansville-ish losses in Rupp and another 30 draft picks (yeah NBA), these Cal fans will have to turn around and say, "you know, you guys were right, we should have ran his ass out back in 2021". They need to physically see the demise happen to believe it.
Trust me, it won’t take that long. Unless the fans I grew up with have died out. There’s still plenty of “older” fans around. And they can still comprehend. Better than most actually. It’s going to work out. Our fans still rule, no matter what Mr. one and done says. He will see.
Your Aunt doesn’t need balls to be your Uncle. She would just have to decide to be your Uncle and presto, you have a ball less Uncle.Now that's funny and valid....
Great post. About the kids my ass, never has been. The guy is a complete Microphone/camera hunting look at me, look what I did narcissist and many people see it now.
I’ve been pretty clear about where I stand. Just read my posts. Not a Cal lover. You and I have a philosophical difference about it all. Nothing more. Well, you also like Andy what’s his name way more than me. There’s that too. But the heart wants what it wants.
Was at a local high school game the other night.
I do care that he insults the fan base and that is where it drew the line for me. He doesn’t get a pass on that. As long as he is coach I will not support anything basketball related at UK. I will support all other UK sports.
You’re being dramatic. He won’t be here 10 more years regardless. I’d say the picture will not be as bleak as you predict either. But your opinion is your own.
If he doesn't change the culture, I bet my predictions won't be far off, if they're off at all.
I got you. I respect your opinion. But You’re on a uk basketball board even still.
No, 5 bad seasons. A vocal number of us have been calling for his termination for years.
Here’s the thing. His culture has never changed. His culture has been the same since day 1. But we were winning and you had no problem with it. How can you not see that? He’s been pro-nba since John wall. His problem is that his monster took on a life of its own and that monster started eating the confidence of the players that needed to be juniors here. It got too big until it finally got scary. So yes he needs to adjust his approach and find away to keep the EJ’s and Juzangs around for a few years. You keep acting like he has all of a sudden adopted this NBA first mentality. He’s done it for 11 years my dude. It’s the kids that are changing how they react to it. So he better adjust something to ease their minds. Even the superstar studs are afraid to come here for fear of failing to meet expectations.
I’ve said over and over I’ll take my chances with Cal fixing this over starting anew from a crop of coaching candidates that I don’t personally like.
Winning is everything. To me anyway. Win games and all these disgruntled fans come back like nothing ever happened. They’ll overlook their wounded feelings and all will be fine.
If you were running around 4-5 years ago calling for Cal to be fired then your parents are related.
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