C Rod
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The best way to keep our community safe is to outlaw cars.
What is your axe to grind in this, and who made you privy to all this info out of the blue? Aren't you the same poster that had the LONG thread on here defending our AD's deplorable treatment of the MONEY COW? That didn't bother to reply to my post.
You sure seem to be heavily involved in making this case as bad as possible.
I smell a rat------again.
Nothing, IIRC. Pretty big flap about it.
My opinion has always been that the courts should handle it. If a player goes to jail, he doesn't play. If the courts aren't going to hold him accountable, suspending him from games is just virtue-signaling. I'm awfully tired of virtue signaling.
It's like complaining about oppression while making millions wearing shoes made by people who are actually oppressed. That's all I see and hear when this stuff comes up.
In the end, if the staff has rules, they have to follow their rules or it sets a bad precedent. If they have mercy/leniency built into the rule set, then they have leeway. I don't see why people have to forfeit across their entire life for something for which they are already answering to the courts. This isn't steroids and unfair competition stuff. It's a debt to society incurred by breaking laws.
Employees, sure. Students aren't usually expelled or punished academically for a dwi. That said, if the coaches set a standard, however arbitrary it might be, they should follow it.
That’s not true regarding students.
Nearly every university in the country will initiate disciplinary proceedings against a student the moment the school becomes aware of a DUI arrest.
Penalties can include conduct probation, loss of any scholarships, academic suspension (including forfeiture of tuition), suspension from extracurricular activities, eviction from campus housing and expulsion.
There are hundreds of law firms around the country that generate quite a bit of revenue from advising students with DUIs throughout the disciplinary process at their school.
Here’s just one example:
Arrested for DUI Off Campus, UF Actions | Meldon Law
Yes, The University of Florida, in Gainesville, has very strict policies regarding students charged with DUI, even if the arrest occurred off campus and even if the student is found not guilty of DUI in criminal court. Here is the common course of events: Within a few days of the student’s...
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Go back a read through this thread and you’ll see I was having a back and forth discussion with another poster, and responding to his replies. It was pretty straightforward.
And I’m not sure to what you’re referring with respect to the info I’m “privy to” since everything I’ve been discussing is public information.
In terms of your “MONEY COW” post, I’m also not sure which post your talking about. I’m guessing it’s one of your hourly rants against Mitch Barnhart, so you’ll have to link that for me so that I know which one it is. No offense, but most of your posts are indistinguishable white noise.
I didn't know all the details. If this is true the a 4 game suspension should be the minimum considered. DUI is always very serious but this sounds like this was more than him just being a drink over the limit. He's lucky he didn't hit someone.
Unless UK’s policy has changed in the last couple of years, his suspension for the DUI should be 10% of the season since I believe this is his first offense. So that would basically be a 1 game suspension.
Assuming UK’s policy is still the same, if he ends up with.a much longer suspension then that would seem to indicate one of 3 things:
- This isn’t his first offense under the drug and alcohol policy (I can’t recall him being in trouble previously, so this seems unlikely)
- He’s being suspended for additional games for something else beyond just the DUI
- He’s not being suspended as a disciplinary measure but is instead being held out of additional games due to an eligibility issue
Remains to be seen if there is any truth to this rumored “other” issue and whether that would cause him to miss additional games. However, if the rumors end up being nothing, then I think a 1 game suspension is the most likely scenario.
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The "MONEY COW" is and has been for quite a while Football. You surely don't think the recent SEC bonanza of thirty and more millions is due to the minor sports, do you? You do know that even back in 2010 when football was still being starved to death (leading to TWO two win seasons AND no bowl games for five years) football cleared $18M while the best BB program in the land (with EVERYTHING) only cleared about $5M?
Talk about being asleep at the wheel, I still say if the OTHER SEC football programs hadn't started throwing crazy amounts of money at UK our athletic dept would have been in big trouble.
FACTS, argue with them.
I never said any one was objecting to a one game suspension, so I have no clue what you’re referring to.
My reply simply pointed out what Rodriguez’s suspension for the DUI would be if UK’s drug and alcohol policy is still the same as it was a couple of years ago. If for some reason Rodriguez misses more than one game, then I mentioned a few potential reasons that could cause that to happen.
But I never said anyone was objecting to a 1 game suspension so I don’t understand the point of your question.
This is a complete non sequitur.
And if the “MONEY COW” post you referenced above was similar to this post, then that’s likely the reason I didn’t respond to it.
Your concept of debate seems to be anchored on simply shouting the same talking points over and over. It’s akin to an old man yelling at the clouds for some perceived injury that he refuses to let go.
Regardless, I have no clue what this is in response to.
I heard this too, and we tried to think of what that might be... perhaps hanging around with a crowd known to have some stolen property, and receiving some if yourself, though never actually stealing anything. Like say a group stole a few Xboxes from Best Buy, and then distributed them amongst friends. Even if you're unsure where it came from, you might just think "oh well free Xbox" (or car stereo, etc etc). That's all I could think of the way they were describing it.
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It’s not virtue signaling.
Virtue signaling would be if the university simply made statements without any actions, which are basically meaningless gestures intended to project a veneer of morality. It’s a totally different thing to create a code in good faith that is intended to push people to hold themselves to a higher standard.
Honor codes and codes of conduct have been a part of US universities for almost 300 years. There was a time when universities viewed their role not only as educating, but also helping to shape the character of their students. These codes were part of that. Frankly, I think that’s a good thing and also think our society could be doing a much better job at pushing people to a higher standard.
That said, if you want to argue about the scope of these codes and the point at which schools start to overstep their bounds, then I think that is definitely a debate worth having.
It’s also worth having a debate about what is the right punishment for violations that are in scope, and the role those punishments should play.
If a specific violation is something where the student is also going to face criminal penalties, then I think the role of any university penalties needs to be very carefully thought out. If the school adds a penalty for a first time offender, then you need to be sure that the school’s penalty is providing additional value in reinforcing the right path for the student or in safeguarding other students.
But if the school’s punishment is simply piling on, then I’m not sure I see the value in it.
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In todays society it seems we like to convict first then know the facts. I have no idea what CRod did cause I wasn’t there and I’m not privy to the info from those that actually knowthe facts.
if n when I know the facts my opinion on the matter doesn’t mean squat. I’m glad no one was injured n hope whatever lesson that needs to be learned is learned. Other than that this entire thread is about 98% a waste of time
Best of C Rod and Go CATS!!
if n when I know the facts my opinion on the matter doesn’t mean squat. I’m glad no one was injured n hope whatever lesson that needs to be learned is learned. Other than that this entire thread is about 98% a waste of time
Best of C Rod and Go CATS!!
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This is a good theory. Just speculating further, could it have been the car he was driving when he got the DUI? Say it was someone letting him lease a car for free but they hadn’t submitted it to UK as an official NIL deal. Could be why it’s an eligibility issue but potentially fixable.
I am also very sick of rich people acting oppressed, but what do rich whiners have to do with CRod missing a game or two for DUI? There’s zero connection between those two thoughts. In fact, CRod is about to be one of those rich people very soon. It’s ok if they face consequences in my view.
That’s not true regarding students.
Nearly every university in the country will initiate disciplinary proceedings against a student the moment the school becomes aware of a DUI arrest.
Penalties can include conduct probation, loss of any scholarships, academic suspension (including forfeiture of tuition), suspension from extracurricular activities, eviction from campus housing and expulsion.
There are hundreds of law firms around the country that generate quite a bit of revenue from advising students with DUIs throughout the disciplinary process at their school.
Here’s just one example:
Arrested for DUI Off Campus, UF Actions | Meldon Law
Yes, The University of Florida, in Gainesville, has very strict policies regarding students charged with DUI, even if the arrest occurred off campus and even if the student is found not guilty of DUI in criminal court. Here is the common course of events: Within a few days of the student’s...
So how many of the students arrested for DUI actually get expelled? One example doesn't negate my point. I know quite a few people that neither got expelled, nor were fired/disciplined from their jobs when they got their DUIs. 2 different people had 2 of them. One was a teacher.
And there you go again. Writing about things I did not write.
What part of "CRod did the crime, and CRod has paid the fine" could you even remotely derive that I am looking for anyone other the CRod to blame?
Conversely, this strong pushback that you are making about the need for additional punishment outside of the criminal offense that CRod has already pled guilty to and is making the proper restitution according to the courts, makes it appear that you have an issue with CRod or other football players.
Were you also one of the morality police that wanted all the Frat Party Seven football players kicked off the team permanently or suspended for the entire season, even though there was no evidence of any wrongdoing other than some he said, she said from some butt hurt frat boys?
Did a football player steal your girlfriend while you were at UK or just what is your reason for adamantly demanding more punishment for CRod? Or, is there some other reason? Just curious.
Have you ever thought about the possibility that what CRod needs is HELP instead of more PUNISHMENT for this bad decision?
We know that he was having problems last year, because CMS told us CRod was dealing with some personal issues that was impacting his play on the field.
Now, we don't know, and don't need to know what those issues are, but shouldn't we at least show enough grace toward someone who is struggling to petition that the high and mighty, morally superior, UK admin, and the all-powerful UK student council, actually consider what may be behind the problem that CRod is having rather than screaming for more punishment to kick a man while he is down?
But that's just me. You do you. We will just have to disagree on this one. So glad we have some perfect people posting on here.
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If this is the case, wouldn't it have shown up in an arrest/court record by now?
Many times. But I wouldn't go around saying such and such cop is a great man because he let me off the hook once while these other cops are terrible cops and attention seekers because they arrested someone for breaking the law.
If you’re talking strictly about expulsion, not that many. You’d have to have a pretty egregious offense or be a repeat offender to get to the point where the school would consider expelling you. But expulsion is only one of several types of punishments universities might impose on a student convicted of a DUI.
As of a few years ago, roughly half of the University of Florida students convicted of a DUI were suspended for one semester. They were administratively withdrawn from all classes, did not receive a refund of any paid tuition and had to apply for readmission the next semester. Those who weren’t suspended generally were placed on probation for the semester, had to perform community service and attend counseling.
There are other schools that have much stricter policies and mandate things like an automatic one semester suspension without the benefit of a hearing for any underage student convicted of a DUI.
Point being, most students convicted of a DUI receive some form of school punishment. The severity of that punishment will vary based on policy differences and factors like whether it’s a first offense and degree of intoxication.
Maybe they didn’t charge him because he legit didn’t know? Just spitballing. It was really weird to hear them discuss it.
That seems more like a legal issue than an eligibility one though. I do wonder if the car he was driving was associated with an unregistered NIL deal.
I don't know anything about CRod's situation other than what I have read here. But I think the majority think he is facing a suspension for the DUI. Most thinking 1 game. But there is some question about whatever else is involved which could result in more games.
Here is what I think is happening, suspended first game, with questions about how many games he is suspended. Well if UK fans don't know if he is playing against UF. A very good chance the UF coaching staff doesn't know either. They have to prepare for him, which takes time away from preparing for UK's passing game.
Here is what I think is happening, suspended first game, with questions about how many games he is suspended. Well if UK fans don't know if he is playing against UF. A very good chance the UF coaching staff doesn't know either. They have to prepare for him, which takes time away from preparing for UK's passing game.
Grumpy. This makes too much sense for most people to understand. UK should announce he is suspended until he has completed his repentance - then announce he is playing in Florida game has he enters the field for the game - lol!
Go Big Blue!
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