Bush Hamdan
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Team good, coach good.
Team bad, coach bad.
Can a good team have a bad coach ??
Can a bad team have a good coach ??
It is always very difficult to really tell ... but I certainly understand the sentiment that Hamdan has been unimpressive, so far.
Team bad, coach bad.
Can a good team have a bad coach ??
Can a bad team have a good coach ??
It is always very difficult to really tell ... but I certainly understand the sentiment that Hamdan has been unimpressive, so far.
3 games in, and i’m ready to give Gran the reigns.
Honestly I think Gran would have won the game last night. He was a good play caller when it comes to running the football
And Gran definitely wouldn’t have called a pass play at 2nd and 8.
Would have loved to have had 3 more running plays there with DSK and Wilcox. They averaged over 4.5 per carry and rarely got nothing. That being said if you are going to pass there why not roll Brock out instead of having him stand in the pocket which hasn’t really been there for us for two straight weeks. Just nonsensical!!!!
We’re saving a lot of money on fireworks.
I loved Gran. He never got the respect he deserved.
NO screen passes . No Tight End passes. No short passes to running backs. No slants over middle. Only passes that were successful were sideline passes .
I literally said to a buddy that right before we snapped it on 3rd down. “You have to get him outta the pocket with a chance to run if there is nothing there, he might be able to get you close enough for Stoops to actually go for it on 4th, cuz no way are we getting it back with enough time to matter.”
Smart wanted Gran for a reason.
The run game was the only functional part of our offense, and as far as I know Gran is still the run game coordinator, right? Gran probably about maxed out what he was capable of as OC, but his floor was reasonably high, too. Coen is the best OC Stoops has had but clearly he was never destined to stick around. Gran might be 2nd.
I think he is another bad hire but in his defense QB play has been very poor.
What frustrates me is Stoops said postgame that anything less than 4th&8 he would’ve gone for it. I’m not sure I totally believe that but if that’s true, once the 2nd down pass didn’t work, why not run it third down to give yourself a 4th down you’re comfortable with?
And on the 4th down… if you have faith that you can punt the ball and your defense will stop Georgia and get the ball back, why not go for it on fourth down and have the same faith in your defense if you fail to convert? If you do force a punt you’ll have more field to cover, but you’ve also given yourself a chance to basically end the game with a conversion.
Drink had a chance to promote him a couple years ago but let him walk. Now we see why.
We’ve operated this way for years where we really only run or take long developing shots down the sideline, and it’s really frustrating at this point. It’s happened over several different coordinators, so I’m not sure if it’s a Stoops thing where he’s wanting to avoid turnovers at all costs or if it’s more a symptom of having QBs who struggle with the kind of pre-snap reads necessary to succeed with the quick hit passing game, but it really holds us back when defenses don’t really even have to worry about large parts of the field.
Is it Hamden or is it Stoops. Gran offensive guy, comes to UK and is conservative (mostly), Cohen same, Skang (mistake all around), Cohen same (worse than first time) and then Hamden.
Gotta call a spade a spade. Stoops will not allow any good offensive minded OC to use a playbook. I am guessing Stoops tells them this is the SEC and we play tough nosed hardcore old school SEC football. You will shorten your options, you cannot use the TE much at all, you cannot do this throw, throw, throw game. Stoops is way behind the times and needs to be at IOWA playing BIG 10 crappy football.
Gotta call a spade a spade. Stoops will not allow any good offensive minded OC to use a playbook. I am guessing Stoops tells them this is the SEC and we play tough nosed hardcore old school SEC football. You will shorten your options, you cannot use the TE much at all, you cannot do this throw, throw, throw game. Stoops is way behind the times and needs to be at IOWA playing BIG 10 crappy football.
Yep, bc atleast with gran we wouldn't have been in that 4th down punt situation bc he would've had the frame of mind to keep running the ball, get us in field goal range, run the clock down, and kick to win.
Instead batted down passes, punt away, game over
I think Gran would be successful in today’s era of the transfer portal. He always made the best with what he had.
The job he did to win 8 games with a WR as his QB doesn't get enough recognition
We haven't thrown a pass to a tight end in what feels like years.
They talk em up then put em on the line to block only.
This is an easily completed pass for a one read dullard qb.
They talk em up then put em on the line to block only.
This is an easily completed pass for a one read dullard qb.
Now now. Our fans said he sucked. Surely they know better.
Hamdan doesn’t have the feel or situational awareness for this conference. This isn’t the MWC or WAC or whateverthe**** conference where you can take a 5-7 step drop and sling it all day but he thinks it is. Run the damned ball like we were to loosen up the back seven and then hit some slants or curls or whatever, you don’t have to sling the damned thing 40 yards every time you drop back. Also doesn’t understand that one of BV’s strengths is rolling the pocket, that’s when he looks most comfortable to me. Not a good OC by any means, definitely not in a conference with this much speed and D-linemen.
Exactly my thoughts
He doesn’t have a handful of plays that generate a first down when we have to have it.
And he for dang sure isn’t used to speed of sec defense….which was a risk with any of the west coach guys come to sec….this ain’t. A pansy league on defense
Hamden had 4 years SEC coaching experience as well as NFL and working with Chris Peterson at Washington, one of the best HCs of any era, before he got here...not like he fell off the turnip truck yesterday.
I'm pretty sure Gran had very good passing stats and overall offensive numbers at Cincy as offensive coordinator (I think that's where he came from). Seems to be what happens for every coordinator before coming here and sometimes also after leaving. Even Dawson is putting up over 600 yards of offense at Miami with over 500 against Florida.
People somehow forget how our offense looked in the one half before barker broke his back. All they seem to remember are those awful years where we won games and went to bowls with our "boring" offense.
I saw more out of bush this last game. Play calls much better. Still want to see him not load up on max pro vs blitz. Spread and go hot is our better option. Going to be tough either way until bvg stops holding the ball too long.
I know he was in the sec before but its a different animal at uk because you are usually talent deficient against the top teams. At least this last game he stuck with what worked instead of pulling his bs against sc where we'd run inside with success then randomly try to throw or something to the edge, right into their strengths.
Play calling is a big problem. Hamdan just don’t have the feel for it. Also what worked at his previous places isn’t going to work in the SEC. He needs to step his game up or unfortunately UK will need to find yet another OC. I really think it is the style of offense that Stoops wants to run that is the problem. That style requires you to have superior talent.
This is 100% accurate. Drink gave up play calling duties, auditioned Hamdan last three games of season, and then went out and hired Kirby.
IMO, Hamdan needs to spend a whole lot more time on teaching BV and the receivers how to QUICKLY read a defense and, depending on the read, what adjustments need to be made. I think, if you really look at what's happening on offense, there are plenty of well-designed plays that are called but aren't being executed well/quickly enough. Sometimes it's an OL breakdown. Sometimes it's BV holding the ball too long. Sometimes the receiver doesn't read the defense and continues to run a slow developing route when a quick, hot route is what is called for.
In one of the other threads, the film showed that the 3rd down call was absolutely the right call and would have easily resulted in first down yardage (assuming a catch, of course) as would the 2nd down play that was a swing pass to the flat. However, the ball was released a hair too late (OL breakdown, WR ran 2 yards too deep, BV wouldn't let go of the ball quickly enough - don't know). If he throws to a spot on that play, the receiver will be open and have 10+ yards on the play. That's not Hamdan's failure at calling the correct play. That's failure of educating the personnel on how to execute and/or the players of executing on time. I, too, would like to see a lot more quick, one-read throws for short yardage as that keeps defenses honest. Plus, one missed tackle and the play might go for 20 yards or more. Haven't seen enough of those plays called so I agree with other posters on this point. But, other plays called have been fine but execution has been lacking.
In one of the other threads, the film showed that the 3rd down call was absolutely the right call and would have easily resulted in first down yardage (assuming a catch, of course) as would the 2nd down play that was a swing pass to the flat. However, the ball was released a hair too late (OL breakdown, WR ran 2 yards too deep, BV wouldn't let go of the ball quickly enough - don't know). If he throws to a spot on that play, the receiver will be open and have 10+ yards on the play. That's not Hamdan's failure at calling the correct play. That's failure of educating the personnel on how to execute and/or the players of executing on time. I, too, would like to see a lot more quick, one-read throws for short yardage as that keeps defenses honest. Plus, one missed tackle and the play might go for 20 yards or more. Haven't seen enough of those plays called so I agree with other posters on this point. But, other plays called have been fine but execution has been lacking.
BV appears to be a one read QB. Doesn’t seem very comfy at all when he is forced through progressions. Gotta adapt to his skill set then. Time to zone scheme everything and get the RPO game going. Play to his strengths. The run game is a wash if you can’t run PA off of it with multiple reads.
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