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i must have missed the era of college basketball recruiting where MSU was so good at getting guys they would "slow play" that many recruits for a spot.
but this is why i never worry about MSU.
but this is why i never worry about MSU.
If UK basketball recruits came to UK because of UK football, our basketball program would be as bad as out football program.
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IF MSU gets Bridges, they'll probably have the #1 ranked class. Two 5 stars and two borderline 5 stars.
If UK basketball recruits came to UK because of UK football, our basketball program would be as bad as out football program.
Don't...even joke about that...
Not if we sign Fox, Monk, Simmons, and Killeya-Jones.
And if Duke signs Giles, Tatum, and Jackson, then MSU's class is third.
That would be a great class for MSU, nonetheless.
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They'd be #1 until Giles goes to Duke and until Monk, Simmons, and Fox go to Kentucky.
No one's arguing that MSU would have the #1 class for the time being, only that at least one or more of the following, Duke, UK, NC State, will likely beat it out in the end. Two "borderline" 5-Stars, still equates to two 4-star players. And while there's no denying that Two 5-stars and two high 4-stars is a great class, the team that pulls in the #1 class almost always brings in a stronger class than that on paper.
I'd also rank that class behind NC State if they land Adebayo and Atkins to go along with Smith.
Though while they seem to be trending elsewhere at the moment according to the latest "insider" chatter, I hope Atkins and Simmons stay on the board for awhile in the event that we do miss on Bridges.
UK and Duke average about 3-4 5*s and a couple high 4*s yearly.. MSU would be #1 for the time being,, but would probably finish around top 4-6 with that class..
True about NCSU.
They would probably rank like this:
1. Duke- Giles, Tatum, Jackson
2. UK- Fox, Monk, Simmons, Killeya-Jones
3. NCSU- Smith, Adebayo, Alkins
4. Michigan St.- Bridges, Langford, Winston, Ward
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Izzo doesnt need a top class, nor a top 5 , nor a top 10 to win a natl title.
He develops guys, they stay a couple of years and chemistry increases.
Now, he got to F4 with NO TOP 20 RECRUITS. Maybe Dawson was about 20, the rest were top 50.
He does need a couple of upper echelon players but has NEVER had THE TOP CLASS.
Seems to me, is with all these #1 classes, not many of those programs win as many titles as you would think.
In fact, look at U Conn. How many top 20 players did they have 2 yrs ago?
I think you guys focus on the wrong criteria
Izzo doesnt need a top class, nor a top 5 , nor a top 10 to win a natl title.
He develops guys, they stay a couple of years and chemistry increases.
Now, he got to F4 with NO TOP 20 RECRUITS. Maybe Dawson was about 20, the rest were top 50.
He does need a couple of upper echelon players but has NEVER had THE TOP CLASS.
Seems to me, is with all these #1 classes, not many of those programs win as many titles as you would think.
In fact, look at U Conn. How many top 20 players did they have 2 yrs ago?
I think you guys focus on the wrong criteria
4 final fours in 5 years with a runner up and a championship says our focusing is spot on..
Honestly man, do you honestly believe that MSU wasn't far and away the worst team in the Final Four this last year?
Michigan State hasn't really been close to winning a title since 2000. Yes, Izzo has done an astonishing job getting Michigan St out of Regionals. But every time he's done it since 2000 (with the possible exception of 2010, which was just a weak FF overall), he's run into someone in the FF who was just vastly better. You guys lost by 19 to Arizona in 01, by 16 to UNC in 05, by 17 to UNC in 09, to Butler in 2010, and by 20 to Duke last year.
It's self-evident that you can't win a title without making the FF, but it's also true that you're highly unlikely to be the last team standing if you always go into the FF as a huge underdog. UConn withstanding, but if you want try and copy that flukeishness, good luck.
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It's more fun watching watching plays stay at least a couple of years if not 3 or 4 to watch their progress.
Dont get me wrong, a couple of one and dones would help but a revolving door of player is ridiculous.
Plus it s not like with all these highly ranked classes you are dominating or even winning back to back titles.
Besides, it turns college into a minor league for the pro's. Now this appeals to a lot of top recruits but it is still what it is.
I want Bridges but I also want a number of 3-4 year guys like Tum and Winston.
Of course, you also get a 4 yr player like Day Day who is now a star in the NBA on a title team. How can u not love that story.
All I am saying there is more to life AND bb than having the best class.
Dont get me wrong, a couple of one and dones would help but a revolving door of player is ridiculous.
Plus it s not like with all these highly ranked classes you are dominating or even winning back to back titles.
Besides, it turns college into a minor league for the pro's. Now this appeals to a lot of top recruits but it is still what it is.
I want Bridges but I also want a number of 3-4 year guys like Tum and Winston.
Of course, you also get a 4 yr player like Day Day who is now a star in the NBA on a title team. How can u not love that story.
All I am saying there is more to life AND bb than having the best class.
I don't really get what you're selling.
Is it that Izzo has done a great job?
We agree.
Is it that we are doing bb wrong?
We disagree.
Is it who will get Bridges?
We'll see.
I'm just not sure what all your paragraphs are about. It plays like you just want to be accepted. Maybe try your own board for that.
This has always been the case. College basketball has always been the minor league for the pros. Kids grow up dreaming to be pros. That has always been the end game regardless of how many years they're in college.
How do you know it's more fun?
Have you ever experienced a team dominated by Freshmen? Not as a Spartan fan.
Let me tell you as a UK fan, it is just as much fun to win with Freshmen every year as it is with 3-4 year guys.
Trust me when I tell you it has been more fun to watch Cal go to four Final Fours and win a title with Freshmen and Sophomores than watching Tubby go out in the 2nd round with Juniors and Seniors.
It has been just as fun watching the young guys go to four Final Fours and win a title as it was to watch Pitino go to three Final Fours and win a title with upperclassmen.
I'm sure six Final Fours and a title under Izzo has been a fun ride, I would take that from my coach and smile, too. But you can't say it is better one or another because you haven't experienced the other way.
Trust me, we older UK fans have experienced it all, and in the end winning is winning and it doesn't really matter who does the winning for you as long as you get the W.
I'm having more fun than ever, because we not only win at a high clip, the league is now littered with former UK stars who rep our program at every turn.
Each to his/her own.
I was just expressing my opinion.
My best analogy that you may not like is that I have been a NY Yankee fan since I was 6 yrs old and I am pretty old. That's 27 WS . When I was a kid they won 8 in a row. Then in the late 90's ,4 in 5 yrs.
They had the resources to do it. Was it fair? No, but I didnt care.
I get that college bb is a different beast but with all the great recruiting is Kentucky winning even 2 yrs in a row? No. To me, with all the edges Cal has , the KY tradition he aint running away.
For me, winning as an upstart, is amore enjoyable path.
Like I said ,each to his own
So if Izzo (or your next coach) started recruiting mostly OAD players, you would quit watching them and switch teams? Nope, you would embrace it, especially if you went to the Final Four almost ever year.
It's funny how fans from other schools change their tune when their coach starts recruiting OAD players (ahem...Duke fans).
Of course, as soon as Cal changes his philosophy or we get a new coach who wants 3-4 year guys, our fans will swear up and down that they prefer the new way and we're tired of the OAD under Cal. LOL!
As for Cal not winning every year, well no one is going to do that. We have had two teams win back to back titles since the Wooden era ended. It's hard to dominate at the college level, regardless of talent. Also, keep in mind Cal is dealing with a new team every year. And no matter who you are, an injury can derail you.
I'm okay with having superior talent every year, getting to the Final Four almost every year, and having a chance to win it all almost every year.
I think I would prefer that over waiting for guys to develop and going to the Final Four every four or five years.
Of course we also get to watch guys like Harrellson, Liggins, Miller, WCS, Poythress, and Lee develop over 3-4 years, too.
Really we get the best of both worlds with Cal.
But like you said, to each his own.
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Will you guys stop engaging COS? It's like picking on the slow kid - it's embarrassing for all involved.
Nice one dcsparty....he's right guys. CousinofSparty is not representative of the fan base. That said, he did say one thing I agree with. I don't like the one and done culture of the modern game...it sort of takes away from the illusion of amateur athletics to which I still cling. All things being equal, I'd rather have kids that stay around for a few years that we can watch develop etc. Of course I'd rather take one and dones and win than have all four years players and miss the tournament...but if our recruiting quality was the same, I'd rather not have the one and dones. I don't blame Cal/Kentucky for taking advantage of the rules at all but this evolution in college basketball might just ruin it.
Just my opinion. Also, I've never bought the "Cal is great at developing NBA players" meme and rather think he is very good at recruiting NBA players. That said, he is amazing at getting these kids to play together at such a high level given their age and potential ego issues. I'm hoping Bridges comes to MSU but couldn't blame him from joining probably the top hoops program of all time.
Best of luck and cheers
Just my opinion. Also, I've never bought the "Cal is great at developing NBA players" meme and rather think he is very good at recruiting NBA players. That said, he is amazing at getting these kids to play together at such a high level given their age and potential ego issues. I'm hoping Bridges comes to MSU but couldn't blame him from joining probably the top hoops program of all time.
Best of luck and cheers
DC, thanks for insulting me on enemy territory.
You are last person in the world I'd want in a foxhole.
Might as well surrender.
You should become a Kentucky fan . How you root for MSU is contradiction of major proportions
I would still root for Izzo/MSU but it would be the way I rooted for NYY for many years. I knew we would win, wasnt that big deal, didnt feel emotional about. Like rooting for IBM when IBM was big.
Dont know if you get that
If ya'll don't like OAD players, why do you guys want Bridges so desperately?
He is right- I am not representative of the fanbase...to wit, I am not a homer and I give other teams credit, where due....and I give the coaches advice where appropriate
I made that quite clear...you need a few top players to win it all...but I could care less about top10 classes.
Bridges is the missing piece to a title. THe rest of the team has NO TOP 10 COMMITS
Cousin, quite polluting their board and trying to fight everyone. It's bad enough our Mods won't ban you on the MSU board. Everyone knows you are a troll. Leave thiese good people alone and go back to your great job, hot wife, and all the other things you like to talk about that no one believes -- or cares.
What a loser and hater idea of thought.
If you had multiple OND leave every year you would love it and embrace it. But you don't so you want to hate on it. Join UL and the rest of the fools who are jealous as fvck.
I thought you're not a homer and you tell it like it is? Whatever dude. I respect Kentucky...they're not the enemy unless we're playing them and then they're just an opponent in a game in which young men associated with my alma mater are competing against young men associated with theirs. I gave my opinion on a topic in which I agreed with you actually - and I acknowledge that fact - so I'm not sure where you're coming from...but that's all I'm gonna say here. There's no need having a spat on Kentucky's board.
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