Bam or bamba?
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Most likely wishful thinking on their part...not wanting him to go to UK.
Me too.Seems like everyone was saying UK and all of a sudden this Texas stuff pops up.I'm just not buying it.
I feel the same way, I hope I'm wrong I think Bamba picks Duke jmo.
Completly different players Bam blocked shots alot better than Randle did and I think played better defense late in the season than Randle did. Bam has excellent footwork if given room which he will in the NBA. He also managed to dunk balls Randle couldnt dream of. Bam passes out to the wings too. Randle attacked the double team which is why he was fouled so much. Bam would pass out. One of the reasons he had 5 dimes vs UNC. If he had a dumpdown big to pass to he would have been even more effective. Bam is a much better passer than Randle was. However the footwork and the passing is also why I think once the workouts and combine begin bam will hear what he wants and stay in the draft
I would like to have both for sure and it could work, but it won't happen.
If Bam comes back, we lose Bamba, and I am okay with that. Bam is a favorite and I would love to have him back and with Richards at the 5 as a rim protector, I think we are in good shape there even without Bamba.
Bamba to Duke is not the best scenario, but it doesn't make them any better than us. Besides, K doesn't usually do well with two bigs. He likes small ball. He will have to play Carter and Bamba together. That goes against his usual M.O. of playing a big SF as a stretch 4.
Bamba might really consider Texas, if Bam comes back. Bamba will know that he will have to spend most of his time at the 5 for Duke. Carter is closer to a Duke 4 than he is, so he won't get many opportunities to prove he can play the 4. At Texas, he probably plays wherever he wants.
At least at UK, Cal will play him and Bam together in a system where they can be interchangeable at the 4 and 5 ("positionless basketball"). This might be his compromise.
Love to see:
G Green
G Diallo
G Johnson
F Bamba
F Adebayo
With Alexander, Vanderbilt, Washington, Gabriel, and Richards off the bench.
But most likely its Bam or Bamba. We can't really lose either way. What would suck is if Bam goes pro and Bamba goes to Duke or Texas. Especially, if he goes to Duke.
If Bam comes back, we lose Bamba, and I am okay with that. Bam is a favorite and I would love to have him back and with Richards at the 5 as a rim protector, I think we are in good shape there even without Bamba.
Bamba to Duke is not the best scenario, but it doesn't make them any better than us. Besides, K doesn't usually do well with two bigs. He likes small ball. He will have to play Carter and Bamba together. That goes against his usual M.O. of playing a big SF as a stretch 4.
Bamba might really consider Texas, if Bam comes back. Bamba will know that he will have to spend most of his time at the 5 for Duke. Carter is closer to a Duke 4 than he is, so he won't get many opportunities to prove he can play the 4. At Texas, he probably plays wherever he wants.
At least at UK, Cal will play him and Bam together in a system where they can be interchangeable at the 4 and 5 ("positionless basketball"). This might be his compromise.
Love to see:
G Green
G Diallo
G Johnson
F Bamba
F Adebayo
With Alexander, Vanderbilt, Washington, Gabriel, and Richards off the bench.
But most likely its Bam or Bamba. We can't really lose either way. What would suck is if Bam goes pro and Bamba goes to Duke or Texas. Especially, if he goes to Duke.
You're reading way too much into a simple question Robert langdon. I was merely asking it after bamba said he was waiting to see who goes pro. I posed the question for conversation. What I ask on a message board has no bearing on what teo kids will do in their future plans.
You are spot on.
Good luck trying to get through to this person. Just a warning, he will come back with another example that will have no relation to Bam and his play, and will make zero sense.
Can we have both? Lol
Btw I'm not concerned about Bamba. I've seen this story 100 times. He's coming to Uk
Btw I'm not concerned about Bamba. I've seen this story 100 times. He's coming to Uk
Our rotation is shaping up like this, IMHO:
Guards(1-3)
Green
Diallo
Johnson (or Gilgeous-Alexander or Baker)
Vanderbilt
Forwards(4-5)
Washington
Gabriel
Bamba (or Adebayo)
Richards
That's a great 8-man rotation, especially if we add Johnson to the guards for some experience and shooting.
Guards(1-3)
Green
Diallo
Johnson (or Gilgeous-Alexander or Baker)
Vanderbilt
Forwards(4-5)
Washington
Gabriel
Bamba (or Adebayo)
Richards
That's a great 8-man rotation, especially if we add Johnson to the guards for some experience and shooting.
Bam couldn't handle a double team. Randle dominated double teams. They aren't the same player true, Randle is a hellava lot better.
There's a reason Bam is potentially a borderline 1st round pick. He's not the level of our better bigs. Bamba has that potential.
Maybe. Also heard that Washington will start for sure.
So Green, Diallo, Vanderbilt, Washington, Bamba, and Adebayo start. We will win it all for sure if we can start six guys. LOL!
When you have a team with 7-8 studs, somebody has to come off the bench.
The main reason I put Johnson in the starting lineup is because of his shooting. Teams will pack it in against us with Bam and Bamba in there inside. Green can shoot, but if he is the only one, then teams will zone us to death.
Need at least two good shooters in there. Diallo and Vanderbilt are great, but it's going to be tough sledding offensively with them on the wings in a lineup with Bam and Bamba. No stretch 4, so at least two of your guards/wings need to be able to stroke it consistently.
That shooting and his experience will keep Johnson on the floor a lot for us, IMHO.
You cite one and done and I'll take production in its place. I'll take a pass on the Thon Maker's of the world and sign the guys who are tweeners but are very good basketball players. I'm sure Purdue is crying over Swanigan not being a one and done with them. If Bam comes back I'll be more than pleased.
I could really care less about the NBA I'm interested in college basketball.
Their has never been a team win the title with nothing but freshmen. .... I think I'll take some experience over a "what if" player.
Well it's obvious with your comments about Bam not dominating any games that you do not pay too much attention. You want a guy coming in that has done absolutely nothing at the college level, and heap tons of praise on him that is simply unjustified. He has done nothing to earn that praise over Bam. Even at the HS level he hasn't shown the ability to take over games totally. May change it up on the Defensive end in HS but in college he won't be doing so so easily. He will be pushed all around the floor.
Agree. If we could have Bamba for two years, I vote Bamba. But I like a sophomore Bam more than a OAD Bamba.
Well tell me who Bam dominated this year? Also send it to the NBA scouts. They must not have it since he's fallen nearly to a second tier.
Bamba will be a top 5 pick and is the #2 rated player in the class.
Interesting to see some on this board dismiss a OAD stud with the exact tools Cal loves to utilize in favor of a borderline first round pick who disappeared and then cite "experience" as the reason.
Bam is overhyped. He's not going to go down as a top big at UK. The potential for Bamba is a lot higher. And again, for those that want Bam and are willing to send Bamba packing to Duke to line up next to Carter, you will regret that if it happens.
What I'll do is leave it there, and we'll bookmark this thread and revisit it next year.
Funny to see a "uk fan" wish a current player to leave. You ate a joke to me to just wish players to leave. I don't care if porter wanted to come here, I'm not going to wish a current wildcat off the team to make room. You sound just like the duke people last year that wanted that one player to leave (and he did).
I'm a huge advocate for some guys to return and have gone so far as to blame Cal for being unable (willingly or unwillingly) to get that message across. And for the record, Bam SHOULD come back. He's too good to potentially fall to the second round. It shouldn't even be a slight chance. But that's not the point in this situation. As a UK fan I see I massive problem with returning Bam. For one he's limited and his production this season wasn't enough to put UK in the best place possible. On top of the issue of who gets Bamba if we don't.
Look if Bam returns I'm not going to get pissed off. But regardless we could easily pay if a team like Duke gets ahold of him with their incoming big Carter.
If you want to pretend Bam was dominant and Bamba is another Skal, that's fine. It's not true and it's not going to happen.
I don't "wish" for players to leave. Most of the time I think we overplayed the OAD and it's cost us. It's a very unpopular opinion around here.
I've told you already, each case is different. My ultimate hope each year is that UK cuts down the nets. Bam imo is not the kind of dominant big that's going to take us there in a year or two. I've already given plenty of reasons why which no one here takes on.
I think Bamba is the better prospect and definitely fits the mold of a player that is successful in our system. This team has the capability of being in the mold of 2012. Bamba in the middle is just a better situation.
Bam will go pro and Bamba will commit to UK. That's going to be the reality when the chips fall. And we will be a better team because of it.
Because it's relative and Duke recruits the damn near EXACT players we do. It's incredibly important. If Southwestern Tech was after our crop every year I'd say the same thing. Not about Duke, it's about UK.
Dude I just gave you a list on his stats in his last 10 games. And if he is so terrible then why were we one bad ref from another title. It's amazing that a guy could put up some monster numbers in some games and you blow them off as unimpressive.
What are Bambas stats going to be next season?
Many said the same thing last year with Bolden and keeping him from Duke. Guess what he sucked and was vastly overrated. I was not concerned in the least with him going their. I wanted the kid who wanted UK but we slow played him and he went to Texas instead.
Also with being a high draft pick in the draft I frankly don't care. Harry Giles sucked and will be a high draft pick. I'd rather have Swanigan than Giles
Pretty sure every team in the country wants the same players we want. It's a matter of who is a finalists on the kids list. Also duke goes after some kids we don't go after.
I will gladly say Go Bam and F Bamba if Bam wants to be here and Bamba doesn't.
I think a lot of fans are afraid to say Bamba because he might commit to a different school or they're paranoid that he'll be another Skal.
Neither have great offensive games. Bam has a better body, if it's a Mr. Universe contest. Bamba has a better body, if it's a basketball game (insane wingspan for shot blocking and switching on defense). If given the option (which none of us have), with their offensive games being close to equal, you take the better defender. You take Bamba.
That's not a knock on Bam and I'd love to have him back should he decide to return (which I don't think he will), I just feel that of the two Bamba gives us more of what we need defensively.
Neither have great offensive games. Bam has a better body, if it's a Mr. Universe contest. Bamba has a better body, if it's a basketball game (insane wingspan for shot blocking and switching on defense). If given the option (which none of us have), with their offensive games being close to equal, you take the better defender. You take Bamba.
That's not a knock on Bam and I'd love to have him back should he decide to return (which I don't think he will), I just feel that of the two Bamba gives us more of what we need defensively.
No, actually they don't. Duke and Kentucky have had more head to head battles for recruits than anyone lately. Believe it or not, not all teams go after the same players. Duke is actively going after our top targets especially at the bigs positions.
And you're right that we don't always go after the same guys. K dips down to the 4 stars like Allen and tires to find a few good fits to hang around. Obviously we're not after those.
This year Duke landed Carter who's really really good. If you plant Bamba with his length and ability on the defensive end next to him, it will be hard for anyone to beat them. I'm very leery of that. To not put that part of the reality in place and pretend it doesn't matter because "they're not UK" is foolish imo. The championship next year is between 5/6 teams. They are one of them.
This is spot on. Bamba is just better suited for us. Bam is a good player and would get better, but missing on Bamba for Bam, especially considering where he'd go, no way.
I didn't see it. Must have passed it.
Bam didn't dominate in games we needed him to. He didn't play well against better big men. He disappeared against UNC because of (aside from the officiating) his size.
I'm just not that high on Bam. I'm not the only one. Cals really dominating big men (cousins, towns, Jones, AD, Noel, Randle etc) went really high in the draft; most lottery. Bam is teetering between the end of first and early second. He's clearly not that level so surely you agree with that?
It's my belief that Bamba is. So that's my reasoning. I get you don't believe it. That's fine. I just think you're way off
I think Bambas numbers next year would be great. Something like AD and the same type of matchup problem for other teams.
Again, please stop posting. You make uk fans look like the most uneducated fans around.
Are you really a uk fan or some dipshit rival fan posting this garbage hoping Bam will read it?
That's it, I am on to you.
Give me Bam all day. 13 and 8 as a freshman with virtually no help inside. Him and Washington would be a dynamite duo down low. I think Washington would thrive more playing alongside Bam that he would Bamba, too. Bamba's somehow turned into the next Hakeem Olajuwon on here, but the fact is he doesn't have much of an offensive game, struggles to finish inside and doesn't always have a high motor (not that I'm worried about the latter with Cal coaching him).
Next year should be a much better defensive team overall so the lack of another rim-protector wouldn't be a devastating blow. Richards isn't chopped liver anyway, and gives us a shot-blocker off the bench. And I don't think his offensive skills are that much worse than Bamba's at this point.
I think some of you are undervaluing Bam and overvaluing Bamba. If I had to bet, Bam ends up going pro and we get Bamba. And I'd be happy with that. But Bam would make us a much better team, imo.
Next year should be a much better defensive team overall so the lack of another rim-protector wouldn't be a devastating blow. Richards isn't chopped liver anyway, and gives us a shot-blocker off the bench. And I don't think his offensive skills are that much worse than Bamba's at this point.
I think some of you are undervaluing Bam and overvaluing Bamba. If I had to bet, Bam ends up going pro and we get Bamba. And I'd be happy with that. But Bam would make us a much better team, imo.
What exactly is it that's got you so worked up? I prefer a 7 foot shot blocking top 5 projected NBA player over Bam? That I think Bam was a bit lackluster compared to other Calipari bigs? That I think Bam disappeared in some much needed games?
Exactly which part is so out of line I that should consider your request?
Everyone's just brainstorming our options and giving takes on reasoning. You've already said I'm a terrible poster and should stfu. Anything in particular you'd like to attack or just me personally?
Its not Bam or Bam....its Andrew Wiggins "lottery"....I dont care, I love the class we have coming in....with or without him
Good point. UK fans sadly raised Bolden to the level of savior a year ago and he wasn't close. Bamba is a freak and could be any kind of good in 3-4 years but not convinced he can be this year's savior as a frosh.
I get the bamba argument, and I don't think you can go wrong with either. That said, I chose bam simply because of one reason.
1. A returning big to a depleted roster that has experience and knows what's expected of him. He may not be the rim protector of bamba but he is more than capable of playing tough. Do I think bamba is capable of being what's expected of him? Absolutely. But the visions of trading bam for bolden scare me, even though I know bamba is ten times the player of bolden. We saw what bam did with literally zero help inside, no imagine him with some help in guys like Richards, Washington, and a sophomore weynen. Another thing bam did a great job of was staying out of foul trouble at pivotal times. What's to say bamba isn't a foul machine. Once again, it's speculation since it's unknown, but I do know what I am getting with bam. In a perfect world, we will have both. Kermit would be in so much pain the sperm banks all over the world would shut down for a year
1. A returning big to a depleted roster that has experience and knows what's expected of him. He may not be the rim protector of bamba but he is more than capable of playing tough. Do I think bamba is capable of being what's expected of him? Absolutely. But the visions of trading bam for bolden scare me, even though I know bamba is ten times the player of bolden. We saw what bam did with literally zero help inside, no imagine him with some help in guys like Richards, Washington, and a sophomore weynen. Another thing bam did a great job of was staying out of foul trouble at pivotal times. What's to say bamba isn't a foul machine. Once again, it's speculation since it's unknown, but I do know what I am getting with bam. In a perfect world, we will have both. Kermit would be in so much pain the sperm banks all over the world would shut down for a year
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