Both are really good. No idea who will be better in five years. Tre works great for Duke and Hagans seems to be working great for UK.
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YesI will physically bet you $100,000 Hagans gets drafted before Jones. Want action?
This.Both are really good. No idea who will be better in five years. Tre works great for Duke and Hagans seems to be working great for UK.
So you don't want Hagans back next season? Win/winIt really aggravates me to no end how Tre Jones gets called the best defender in the country and how he's considered a 1st round pick and Hagans isn't. What is Jones better at than Hagans exactly? He's smaller than Hagans, he's less athletic, neither one are shooters but Hagans is the better shooter, and Hagans is the better defender, what am I missing?
I got tired of hearing them say things like Hagans is our Tre Jones. No he is our Ashton Hagans. He has averaged 6 less minutes per game on the year than Jones. I went back and looked at every Duke game stats wise and didn't see a single game where Jones just completely took over the way Hagans did last night.
Hagans
35 minutes 23 points 5 rebounds 4 assists 4 steals 1 turnover 9/18 shooting 1/3 three pointers
The only thing Jones is really better at right now is his assists and turnovers. Who couldn't get a bunch of assists though throwing the ball to the top 2 picks in the incoming NBA Draft?
Hagans has already improved his assists to turnover ratio since he became the full time PG after Green left. He has like 32 assists to 17 turnovers. So he has brought it up the last 7 games to 1.9/1 compared to the first 9 games with 24 assists and 16 turnovers for a 1.5/1 ratio (hopefully I got those numbers right, was going through the stats and trying to keep the assists and turnovers for each game in my head). By the end of the year he probably will get it up somewhere around 2.5 to 3/1.
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We can hold it in my bank account.Ok. How are we going to escrow the money?
Both are really good. No idea who will be better in five years. Tre works great for Duke and Hagans seems to be working great for UK.
Well Tre has points produced rating of 168 to 117 for Hagans. Tre assists on 27% of all duke fgs to 24% for Hagans. Tre has a 10% turnover rate versus 26% for Hagans. Tre’s wins shares are at 2.3 to 1.2 for Hagans. Tre has a box +\- of 7.3 to 5.6 for Hagans.
So basically Tre has far superior advanced stats and he compiled these versus the 18th strongest schedule versus the 77th strongest for Hagans.
Nice game vs Georgia but I wouldn’t get carried away. Hagans is a nice player but Tre is the best pg in college hoops.
Is Jones out for the season? What happenedHagans is healthy and Jones ain’t playing again this season
Shoulder injury against syracuse. Out for the season is conjecture at this point.Is Jones out for the season? What happened
One plays for a fake and phony rat faced bastard , that will try to shame into coming back to collage next year because he owe's to him and Dook and the other plays for Coach Cal , that's the way I see it .Well Tre has points produced rating of 168 to 117 for Hagans. Tre assists on 27% of all duke fgs to 24% for Hagans. Tre has a 10% turnover rate versus 26% for Hagans. Tre’s wins shares are at 2.3 to 1.2 for Hagans. Tre has a box +\- of 7.3 to 5.6 for Hagans.
So basically Tre has far superior advanced stats and he compiled these versus the 18th strongest schedule versus the 77th strongest for Hagans.
Nice game vs Georgia but I wouldn’t get carried away. Hagans is a nice player but Tre is the best pg in college hoops.
One plays for a fake and phony rat faced bastard , that will try to shame into coming back to collage next year because he owe's to him and Dook and the other plays for Coach Cal , that's the way I see it .
Beat me to it. Comparing the two point guards right now is one thing, let's broach the subject again in mid March and see what their stats and eye test look like.One of the few non bias takes on here......You can put either as the top defender and you wouldn’t be wrong. Both have taken over games via defense. Trae is rated higher due to playing better early and everyone (including me) had Trae much higher. He’s still higher overall and if the draft was held today he would go before Hagans........
Now with that said you are blind if you don’t see the momentum that is coming with Hagans and I’m talking SGA type momentum. Other pg were ranked way ahead of him early in the college season but in the end he was one of the best. I see Hagans on that trajectory and think by the end of the year he will be a first round lock and likely lotto guy as well as being ahead of Trae overall and that’s even if Trae wouldn’t have gotten hurt
Lol right.
Hagans didn’t even get major clock til Quade left. Jones has been logging major min all season.
I’m gonna bring up one stat since every one in America thinks Jones is the best freshman defender in the country.
Steals-Jones has 33 steals in 468 min
Hagans has 35 steals in 385 min.
Stop slurping soo much duke kool aid.
You have to explain to where he understands it. If Hagans played 468 minutes, the same amount Jones has played, Hagans would have around 42 or 43 steals.
I agree with your statement. If he continues to ball out and dominate then he will def blow upWell Hagans has really just now started coming. If he has a big game against Aubirn line he did today and we win...hes gon a explode...hes on the verge right now
Reminds me of Packer chirping about Wojo being the best defensive player in the nation. Turner exposed him. He went by Wojo like he was standing still. "Their killing Wojo." Packer was about to cry.
Yea I remember that very well , I was so happy as Wayne Turner simply abused that little prick lol !Reminds me of Packer chirping about Wojo being the best defensive player in the nation. Turner exposed him. He went by Wojo like he was standing still. "Their killing Wojo." Packer was about to cry.
Reminds me of Packer chirping about Wojo being the best defensive player in the nation. Turner exposed him. He went by Wojo like he was standing still. "Their killing Wojo." Packer was about to cry.
Hey Wyld it would be "wild" to have him back next year. But I don't think it's going to happen Hagans jumped onto the mock drafts at the top of the 2nd round. We have to figure he is only going to get better so the 1st round is most likely in his future.How great would it be to have Hagans back next year with Maxey and Whitney!! Boom!!
I will physically bet you $100,000 Hagans gets drafted before Jones. Want action?
Plus the guys Tre is throwing to anywhere close to the rim. Someone might have already said this not sure, but it makes a difference when your a PG playing with that level, #1-2-3 players. They would make a lot of avg PG's look good. They put a lot of pressure on teams also looking over their shoulder constantly. I really don't think Jones is anything special or a PG that will do much in the NBA. Hagan's on the other hand is doing so much more with less. I haven't checked, but I would assume the NBA would take Hagan's over Jones all day.Tre got off to a much better start, but Hagans has come on of late. I don’t know the statistical breakdown, but I doubt Jones has been any better than Hagans since around our UNC game.
You wouldn’t win that bet espn has already decided dukes top 4 should all go in the top 5
kyups01 ?You don’t care for Hagans though? Or have you changed that tune?
I will physically bet you $100,000 Hagans gets drafted before Jones. Want action?
NeverPlus the guys Tre is throwing to anywhere close to the rim. Someone might have already said this not sure, but it makes a difference when your a PG playing with that level, #1-2-3 players. They would make a lot of avg PG's look good. They put a lot of pressure on teams also looking over their shoulder constantly. I really don't think Jones is anything special or a PG that will do much in the NBA. Hagan's on the other hand is doing so much more with less. I haven't checked, but I would assume the NBA would take Hagan's over Jones all day.