Both are really good. No idea who will be better in five years. Tre works great for Duke and Hagans seems to be working great for UK.
Ashton Hagans vs Tre Jones
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This.
Duke needs a facilitator to get the Big 3 the ball in the right spots, and Jones does that very well. We need a guy who can get to the hole and disrupt teams out front, and no pg does that better than Hagans. I wouldn't want to trade for Jones, and Duke wouldn't want to trade for Hagans. Both views are correct.
One of the few non bias takes on here......You can put either as the top defender and you wouldn’t be wrong. Both have taken over games via defense. Trae is rated higher due to playing better early and everyone (including me) had Trae much higher. He’s still higher overall and if the draft was held today he would go before Hagans........
Now with that said you are blind if you don’t see the momentum that is coming with Hagans and I’m talking SGA type momentum. Other pg were ranked way ahead of him early in the college season but in the end he was one of the best. I see Hagans on that trajectory and think by the end of the year he will be a first round lock and likely lotto guy as well as being ahead of Trae overall and that’s even if Trae wouldn’t have gotten hurt
Now with that said you are blind if you don’t see the momentum that is coming with Hagans and I’m talking SGA type momentum. Other pg were ranked way ahead of him early in the college season but in the end he was one of the best. I see Hagans on that trajectory and think by the end of the year he will be a first round lock and likely lotto guy as well as being ahead of Trae overall and that’s even if Trae wouldn’t have gotten hurt
Good post.
In a 1v1 head-to-head game, Hagans probably wins because he's a better scorer (and hasn't even touched his full potential there yet), and is probably a slightly better defender (though both are really good).
Tre Jones plays sound, smart basketball and is a great facilitator. Hagans is good in that department as of late, but Jones has been rock solid all season. Even if you were to take Zion and Barrett out of the equation, he would still be solid.
But, if you were to switch them, Duke wouldn't be as good with Hagans, and UK wouldn't be as good with Tre Jones. They are great fits for their team.
You're insane if you really think Tre Jones is the best PG in college basketball. All those "stats" you just listed are all because of who his teammates are. The kid is a good defender but that's about it. He doesn't turn the ball over because he isn't a real playmaker and he can't shoot outside of 5 foot floaters. I could name at least 5 point guards off the top of my head that are better than Jones.
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Jones is the better on the ball defender. Not sure he's better in any other way; maybe three point shooting.
AH is a better team defender, anticipating, playing the passing lanes, getting his steals that way. Jones can turn his man. No one on UK can.
Both are important to their teams just in different ways. What does it matter what Bilas says ad nauseum? That's the real issue anyway.
But let's be clear about one thing. Who will go higher in the NBA draft is meaningless regarding UK or Duke success this year.
AH is a better team defender, anticipating, playing the passing lanes, getting his steals that way. Jones can turn his man. No one on UK can.
Both are important to their teams just in different ways. What does it matter what Bilas says ad nauseum? That's the real issue anyway.
But let's be clear about one thing. Who will go higher in the NBA draft is meaningless regarding UK or Duke success this year.
Shoulder injury against syracuse. Out for the season is conjecture at this point.
One plays for a fake and phony rat faced bastard , that will try to shame into coming back to collage next year because he owe's to him and Dook and the other plays for Coach Cal , that's the way I see it .
Beat me to it. Comparing the two point guards right now is one thing, let's broach the subject again in mid March and see what their stats and eye test look like.
Momentum is the perfect word to use for what we are seeing with Hagans right now.
I'm taking a wait and see approach, but if he takes over the Auburn game like he took over the Georgia game, his momentum will be much stronger that Tre's.
You have to explain to where he understands it. If Hagans played 468 minutes, the same amount Jones has played, Hagans would have around 42 or 43 steals.
For real. That guy is goofy.
You can pretty guarantee if something is said about Duke on this board he is quick to defend it with some dumb ratio or idiotic statement.
Just for the record...
If you want to use advance stats their PER is 17.3 to 17.4 for Ashton to Tre.
But that Duke fan also failed to note that in conference play Tre is 16ish and Aston is 31 ish.
Ashton didn't come on strong till recently when Quade transferred and Cal adjusted his rotation.
Tre simply isn't even in his ballpark recently.
Their win share in conference play is .270 ish for Ashton and .130 for Tre.
Of course Ashton's stats have been good even before the conference play.
Only argument is that Tre started the season as a starting point guard on a loaded team and benefited from doing easy lobs to big time players.
Tre's situation didn't change Ashton did and he is completely different player.
If you want to use advance stats their PER is 17.3 to 17.4 for Ashton to Tre.
But that Duke fan also failed to note that in conference play Tre is 16ish and Aston is 31 ish.
Ashton didn't come on strong till recently when Quade transferred and Cal adjusted his rotation.
Tre simply isn't even in his ballpark recently.
Their win share in conference play is .270 ish for Ashton and .130 for Tre.
Of course Ashton's stats have been good even before the conference play.
Only argument is that Tre started the season as a starting point guard on a loaded team and benefited from doing easy lobs to big time players.
Tre's situation didn't change Ashton did and he is completely different player.
I agree with your statement. If he continues to ball out and dominate then he will def blow up
Tre Jones sucks. Ashton Hagans good.
Reminds me of Packer chirping about Wojo being the best defensive player in the nation. Turner exposed him. He went by Wojo like he was standing still. "Their killing Wojo." Packer was about to cry.
Yea I remember that very well , I was so happy as Wayne Turner simply abused that little prick lol !
Hahahahaha so true. I remember that like it was yesterday.
Man, I was 13 years old watching that game with dad and just remember being so damn mad I wanted to cry when the first half ended.
I remember Dad kept saying just wait til the Cats make a run just wait and need I say more.
Hey Wyld it would be "wild" to have him back next year. But I don't think it's going to happen Hagans jumped onto the mock drafts at the top of the 2nd round. We have to figure he is only going to get better so the 1st round is most likely in his future.
You wouldn’t win that bet espn has already decided dukes top 4 should all go in the top 5
Plus the guys Tre is throwing to anywhere close to the rim. Someone might have already said this not sure, but it makes a difference when your a PG playing with that level, #1-2-3 players. They would make a lot of avg PG's look good. They put a lot of pressure on teams also looking over their shoulder constantly. I really don't think Jones is anything special or a PG that will do much in the NBA. Hagan's on the other hand is doing so much more with less. I haven't checked, but I would assume the NBA would take Hagan's over Jones all day.
ESPN doesn’t decide the draft and I guarantee you Hagans goes higher than Jones
Hagans isn't going to compare favorably to Tre Jones if you compare production over the entire season. Hagans just wasn't very good for the first half of this season. In conference play, Hagans is definitely in that conversation. Let's hope it's a permanent status rather than a small sample size blip.
Hagens has been posting a crazy PER, the last few games. You really could not go wrong with either one, Jones is a good defender as well. There is a reason Duke's perimeter defense went all to hell after Jones hurt his shoulder, he already had 4 steals and was inching himself into the Syracuse guards craniums slowly, they did not have to worry about his initial pressure no more and they took advantage of it, blitzkrieg Duke's D with 3 pointers and offensive rebounding..
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