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The same thing with theiro, he was leaving uk and ccc, then follows him to ark. Guess the $ was too good
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You won’t believe me, but I think yall are setting yourselves up for a big letdown. Duke had a historically bad shooting night with a 7 man rotation and led for 95% of the game. While they’re good, no doubt, they’re also incredibly young and you caught them at probably their worst.
You guys can be very good, but you have two massive holes: center and pg. But, I know you all will take this in stride.
Yes and arguably our best player had a historically bad night also lol. Our pg play isn’t elite but it’s good enough. Don’t understand your logic at a massive hole at center. Amari Williams is a double double machine and you’d be hard pressed to find a better big coming off the bench than Brandon garrison. Both are as athletic as they come and highly skilled.
You guys might to okay but you have one massive hole: Head coach. He’s fat. He’s washed up. He’s clearly faking enthusiasm. He was embarrassed by being forced out of the sport’s prestige program to a much lesser job. And he seems incapable of adapting to the game as it must be played today. By March he’ll be an emotional basket case, and will once again choke to a mid-major.
We appreciate the constructive criticism from our so far undefeated season, and we’re not really setting ourselves up for too big a letdown. We’re just happy we finally won at the champions classic for the first time in 5 years! And first time we managed to beat Duke in 10 years! Just finally winning again is great. However this thread isn’t about UKs awesome season so far, it’s about how god awful and terrible Arkansas has been.
What everyone fails to understand (UK fans and Arky fans) is that Cal doesn’t care what the fans think about him. He only cares about what his former, current, and future players think about him.
Cal only cares about players and those players only care about getting to the league.
If you have time to look beyond the massive hole from your coach down, I’m not sure I can take your other thoughts seriously.
We led the first 10 minutes of the game lmfao. Right there you 95% claim breaks down. Unless you can’t math. Williams and Garrison are not massive holes. If you had our PG you guys would be way better. Butler is a better PG than anyone on Arkansas. I guess we could hope for DJ Wagner and his 7 points on 30% shooting in 36 minutes a game.
I mean Fland is a great player, but he’s not a pure PG. He has to score for you to have a chance. I’d take our front court over yours all day. Let’s look at this logically. Arkansas has 4 good players max. Davis, Aidoo, Thiero, and Fland. Big Z can be counted on about 30% of the year. Half the team is already injured. Davis looks nothing like the player he is supposed to be. You have 2 rotation guys and a starter who can’t hit the broad side of a barn. Knox is shooting 17%, Richmond isn’t close to be a scorer, and Wagner is just broken.
If you don’t believe anything we say remember this. No matter how bad Wagner is, pencil him in for 35 minutes a game. He will never leave the court. Cal will gaslight you all year about how close he is and how they need him to win in March! The time he supposedly prepares for that never comes. Enjoy the injuries. Also we already have a better win than you guys will have all year hahahahaha.
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Cal is already working his magic on Johnell Davis. He looks like a shell of the player he once was. 2 million dollars for 8 ppg on 2-5 shooting. Stud muffin.
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In all seriousness, what’s your honest opinion about cal now? Do you understand out frustrations over the last 5-6 years? I know he landed two top 10 guys for next year but as well know too well, it means nothing. Unless he has a rose, John wall, fox, knight type lead guard you won’t win
Beating Duke was fun. The let down is a coach who rarely ever wins any game of importance. That is no longer our problem.
Perhaps we didn't catch them at their worst, we forced them to run TF out of gas.
Enjoy watching Dujohn play. (A lot)
I have no inside info, but seems Adou was promised the starting spot and all the minutes and FGA he wanted. He will end up leading the team in scoring and being drafted. The team will still suck though.
Ecstatic. The defense is elite. No idea on the offense because we are dealing with an incredible amount of injuries that, IMO, they're holding back on purpose. The next three games are basically who Kentucky has played - sans Duke. My assumption is 1 of 2 things happen: 1) either the inefficiency continues because they're still letting Aidoo/Brazile/Davis get healthy or 2) things really take off because guys are healthy and the quality of the opponent dips tremendously.
Listen, you guys had a great win. No one will argue that. Game of the night, center stage, and you won.
But, Duke was 1/9 on wide open threes in the second half, their best defender got hurt, and a team already dealing with C depth had their C either get hurt or so gassed he had to keep getting subbed out. That backup C for them was God awful. And they had the ball tied with :20 left and shit the bed three times in a row.
I know you guys think what happened to Jaxson is an aberration; but, I can tell you after watching this guy for 4 years now - that's the normal when he plays anyone with athleticism.
I think a team like Arkansas - elite defense in the backcourt - will give you guys fits. Additionally on defense, any time Duke wanted it, all they had to do was post up Jaxson, Brea, Kerr, whomever and go at them defensively. Williams, Butler, and Garrison are elite defenders. But they're awful on offense. Put, Williams/Garrison in a ball screen with your post and secondary ball-handler. The pick and pop will be open 24/7. If Butler hedges on the elbow, kick to the corner three which - because Butler had to run at the pop - should be wide open. Duke didn't have a C who could shoot a ball over 2 feet which was a big plus for Kentucky. If Duke was smart - part of this is on Scheyer; he got schooled by Pope - they should have gone Flagg at the 5 and forced Williams/Garrison onto an island.
One big thing I came away impressed with was Carr. He played very well not only on offense but on defense as well vs Flagg. Yeah, Flagg got his own, but he was never able to really get into a groove and take over.
As always, worst of luck to you all,
Inefficiency will certainly continue.Ecstatic. The defense is elite. No idea on the offense because we are dealing with an incredible amount of injuries that, IMO, they're holding back on purpose. The next three games are basically who Kentucky has played - sans Duke. My assumption is 1 of 2 things happen: 1) either the inefficiency continues because they're still letting Aidoo/Brazile/Davis get healthy or 2) things really take off because guys are healthy and the quality of the opponent dips tremendously.
Listen, you guys had a great win. No one will argue that. Game of the night, center stage, and you won.
But, Duke was 1/9 on wide open threes in the second half, their best defender got hurt, and a team already dealing with C depth had their C either get hurt or so gassed he had to keep getting subbed out. That backup C for them was God awful. And they had the ball tied with :20 left and shit the bed three times in a row.
I know you guys think what happened to Jaxson is an aberration; but, I can tell you after watching this guy for 4 years now - that's the normal when he plays anyone with athleticism.
I think a team like Arkansas - elite defense in the backcourt - will give you guys fits. Additionally on defense, any time Duke wanted it, all they had to do was post up Jaxson, Brea, Kerr, whomever and go at them defensively. Williams, Butler, and Garrison are elite defenders. But they're awful on offense. Put, Williams/Garrison in a ball screen with your post and secondary ball-handler. The pick and pop will be open 24/7. If Butler hedges on the elbow, kick to the corner three which - because Butler had to run at the pop - should be wide open. Duke didn't have a C who could shoot a ball over 2 feet which was a big plus for Kentucky. If Duke was smart - part of this is on Scheyer; he got schooled by Pope - they should have gone Flagg at the 5 and forced Williams/Garrison onto an island.
One big thing I came away impressed with was Carr. He played very well not only on offense but on defense as well vs Flagg. Yeah, Flagg got his own, but he was never able to really get into a groove and take over.
As always, worst of luck to you all,
Garrison took over the game on offense for a stretch.
Their center went down with cramping because we ran his big hide into the ground.
We played Carr at the five during the game, so I think that is a non factor.
Elite backcourt defense?
You do know we've seen DJ play before. Ha.
Copium is addictive. We were hooked on it for a while too.
Your inevitable disappointment will amuse us to no end.
It's coming.
Clever.
We really are just trying to help.
No one deserves a lazy unprepared coaching staff.
“I love my coach and think my team is being inefficient on purpose” is certainly a take.
Not inefficient on purpose. Inefficient because of variables outside of any one person's control: injuries. So instead of rushing players back, you're not playing Aidoo, Davis isn't on ball, and you sit guys like Brazile the second half of games.
My assumption is neither Brazile or Aidoo play tonight. Get them healthy; they're not needed against this team.
Maybe the biggest frustration so far is what appears to be poor understanding of guys health. We've got 13 scholarship guys on the team and 6 are injured: Aidoo, Davis, Brazile, Blake, Sanchez, Chavis. Word was they had to bring on managers to even get a practice in the last few weeks of the summer. Not sure if there was a, "let them fight through it," mentality. But that has not helped things.
Hate to tell you this, but that injury issue you are waiting on to work out so your guys can build chemistry....that won't ever go away. Injuries is Cals favorite excuse next to "we're young."Ecstatic. The defense is elite. No idea on the offense because we are dealing with an incredible amount of injuries that, IMO, they're holding back on purpose. The next three games are basically who Kentucky has played - sans Duke. My assumption is 1 of 2 things happen: 1) either the inefficiency continues because they're still letting Aidoo/Brazile/Davis get healthy or 2) things really take off because guys are healthy and the quality of the opponent dips tremendously.
Listen, you guys had a great win. No one will argue that. Game of the night, center stage, and you won.
But, Duke was 1/9 on wide open threes in the second half, their best defender got hurt, and a team already dealing with C depth had their C either get hurt or so gassed he had to keep getting subbed out. That backup C for them was God awful. And they had the ball tied with :20 left and shit the bed three times in a row.
I know you guys think what happened to Jaxson is an aberration; but, I can tell you after watching this guy for 4 years now - that's the normal when he plays anyone with athleticism.
I think a team like Arkansas - elite defense in the backcourt - will give you guys fits. Additionally on defense, any time Duke wanted it, all they had to do was post up Jaxson, Brea, Kerr, whomever and go at them defensively. Williams, Butler, and Garrison are elite defenders. But they're awful on offense. Put, Williams/Garrison in a ball screen with your post and secondary ball-handler. The pick and pop will be open 24/7. If Butler hedges on the elbow, kick to the corner three which - because Butler had to run at the pop - should be wide open. Duke didn't have a C who could shoot a ball over 2 feet which was a big plus for Kentucky. If Duke was smart - part of this is on Scheyer; he got schooled by Pope - they should have gone Flagg at the 5 and forced Williams/Garrison onto an island.
One big thing I came away impressed with was Carr. He played very well not only on offense but on defense as well vs Flagg. Yeah, Flagg got his own, but he was never able to really get into a groove and take over.
As always, worst of luck to you all,
They did? I mean 16% from the 3 isnt good, but they also haven't shown us anything to suggest they will be a good 3pt shooting team, so there's no reason to expect they will be a 40% top-3pt team in the nation. They also made 40% of their FG, and that includes the poor 3pt shooting dragging it down.. so I'd say they shot it just fine from everywhere else on the floor.
I wouldn't say there was anything historically bad that Duke did to themselves. They just played a better team at this very moment.
My assumption is that you, like 92% of all breathing individuals in the city of Lexington, have watched every second of Arkansas' games. How can you not see Davis holding his wrist every time he falls, or Aidoo barely able to run in the 2 minutes he's out there, or Brazile just not playing.
They're not excuses. It's reality. Reality could be that it derails the season because they never got healthy. But, the pieces are there and the team is built really well; they just can't seem to get everyone healthy.
We'll see.
This is exactly the kind of mentality pro Calipari Kentucky fans have had for years, saying the same things.
It's great you feel good about your team and program. We feel great. We've got great reasons to feel that way. By the end of the day, Kentucky may very well already be back to the top ten in rankings, and you'll have Cal and your Hogs around #20.
Just remember what other posters here have said. Especially when it comes to those "pesky injuries".
Enjoy your journey!
Go Big Blue !
If things go like they usually do with Cal, as soon as their bigs get healthy, their guards and wings will get hurt.
We will be hearing Cal repeat what he said last year:
“DJ is hurt but he’s tough, I haven’t seen him, but I think he will play through it.
“Adou has that lingering back issue. I haven’t seen him today. He’s going to try to go tonight.”
“Ivisic is having stomach issues again. I haven’t seen him. He may not play tonight. He’s only been in the country for about a year. It’s still an adjustment.”
We will be hearing Cal repeat what he said last year:
“DJ is hurt but he’s tough, I haven’t seen him, but I think he will play through it.
“Adou has that lingering back issue. I haven’t seen him today. He’s going to try to go tonight.”
“Ivisic is having stomach issues again. I haven’t seen him. He may not play tonight. He’s only been in the country for about a year. It’s still an adjustment.”
I get y'all are jaded.
I get y'all won a big game.
I think you guys are bigtime getting the cart before the horse.
Time will tell.
Maybe you guys are right.
I get y'all won a big game.
I think you guys are bigtime getting the cart before the horse.
Time will tell.
Maybe you guys are right.
You can break down how good or bad any player is, but you keep forgetting the important thing. COACHING. UK doesn't have the most talented players, any UK fan could of told you that. UK beat Duke due to teamwork and where do you think that teamwork came from?Ecstatic. The defense is elite. No idea on the offense because we are dealing with an incredible amount of injuries that, IMO, they're holding back on purpose. The next three games are basically who Kentucky has played - sans Duke. My assumption is 1 of 2 things happen: 1) either the inefficiency continues because they're still letting Aidoo/Brazile/Davis get healthy or 2) things really take off because guys are healthy and the quality of the opponent dips tremendously.
Listen, you guys had a great win. No one will argue that. Game of the night, center stage, and you won.
But, Duke was 1/9 on wide open threes in the second half, their best defender got hurt, and a team already dealing with C depth had their C either get hurt or so gassed he had to keep getting subbed out. That backup C for them was God awful. And they had the ball tied with :20 left and shit the bed three times in a row.
I know you guys think what happened to Jaxson is an aberration; but, I can tell you after watching this guy for 4 years now - that's the normal when he plays anyone with athleticism.
I think a team like Arkansas - elite defense in the backcourt - will give you guys fits. Additionally on defense, any time Duke wanted it, all they had to do was post up Jaxson, Brea, Kerr, whomever and go at them defensively. Williams, Butler, and Garrison are elite defenders. But they're awful on offense. Put, Williams/Garrison in a ball screen with your post and secondary ball-handler. The pick and pop will be open 24/7. If Butler hedges on the elbow, kick to the corner three which - because Butler had to run at the pop - should be wide open. Duke didn't have a C who could shoot a ball over 2 feet which was a big plus for Kentucky. If Duke was smart - part of this is on Scheyer; he got schooled by Pope - they should have gone Flagg at the 5 and forced Williams/Garrison onto an island.
One big thing I came away impressed with was Carr. He played very well not only on offense but on defense as well vs Flagg. Yeah, Flagg got his own, but he was never able to really get into a groove and take over.
As always, worst of luck to you all,
This is another cart before the horse.
Pope has literally never done anything in his career. In fact, there's a strong argument BYU regressed under him. His best year, from a record standpoint, was his first year.
Half those guys you mentioned are essentially preferred walk-ons who were rewarded scholarships
Blake, yes. Chavis was supposed to be the 10th guy. He was signed with Washington but they snagged him late. Sanchez was one of the best scorers in D2 and was seen as a "if we need shooting" guy. Blake was going to be the 4th big off the bench but tore his achilles in the summer. Only Blake was seen as a non-scholarship guy who ended up getting a scholarship.
But, I'm spitting into the wind. Time to get back to work.
"I think (Casmir Chavis) has done a good job, he’s one of the few that’s not injured," Kenny Payne said.
That was before the Kansas exhibition where he played 2 minutes and then hasn't played since. Did he get hurt since then?
Regardless, I don't think any of them move the needle on a game day. Your all's coach likes excuses and his teams are routinely beat up throughout the year, magically more-so than their opponents for some reason. I don't think Aidoo and Brazille make the offense much better even if they are their best selves.
Pope would of never truly gotten the type of players he needs to run his offense like he will at UK. Not many college aged kids want to go to BYU for obvious reasons outside of basketball. UK will be Pope's biggest test and chance to actually prove himself. Regardless, this is comparing Pope/UK now and Calipari/Ark now. Enjoy the "hype" while it lasts there because unfortuantely, that is all it will end up being.
I remember trying to convince myself, like you’re doing right now, about a Cal lead team the last 4 years. Take him at his word, and enjoy the big summer and recruiting wins; that’s about all he cares about nowadays.
