Surprised, just read that Pete Thamel said that Kiffin and Stoops are the two top targets for Auburn.
Are you ready to move on from Stoops yet?
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I'm not advocating for replacing Stoops, just him changing philosophy on the most important aspect in cfb in 2022 and going forward...SCORING POINTS!
Sorry, just a NY6 bowl and a playoff the next year. Point still stands. How they can achieve this success with far worse recruiting than we have had. Hell, most of UC's recruiting classes from 2013 on weren't even in the top 50.
If UK played in the AAC, and if they still had the same level of recruiting and funding in that conference, then UK would be in a NY6 bowl on a near yearly basis. Keep in mind that at least one midmajor is guaranteed a NY6 berth, so it would usually be UK, if UK was in a crap conference. I will give Fickell credit for UC being that team twice in a row, but this year is not looking like it's a third time for them.
The 2022 UC team was good but would have been lucky to finish above .500 in conference play against a SEC schedule. It's a limited sample, but they have never beaten any SEC team in their history not named Kentucky, Vanderbilt, or Mississippi State, and the overall record against UK is pretty terrible.
You answered your own question. LSU has the recruiting base. We don’t. Stoops has tapped into the Ohio and Penn pipeline and it’s worked well for us
You don’t know anything about college football. It’s not your fault. It is what it is. LSU has the recruiting base. We don’t. Period.
I loved brooks. Loved his teams. He caught lightning in a bottle with that group of kids. He had that one great year. You want to pump up our results all those other years? I’m sure we had an easier schedule at times.
just stop arguing. At this point you’re doing it for the sake of arguing.
Dude. Stop. There are posters trying to tell you what time it is. You need to listen. We all want the same thing in the end. You just don’t seem to grasp some common knowledge.
you mentioned cincy. A decent example of success in our area. Remind me again, are they in CUSA or the sunbelt? Maybe the MAC? They had some great offense for a long time. We should totally hire an ex cincy OC. Oh wait…..
I’m just saying that the state of Louisiana has a plethora of Top tier college football players… players, that will go on to become professionals. They sign, generally , the very best from their state. LSU won three national championships in the last 19 years as long as there is a good head coach. Saban, Miles , Coach O…now Kelly, the majority of their good players stay in state. There are so many of them, some leave to go to Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee, and Texas A&M, which is only about four hours away
I am skeptical of that. I don't think we would consistently win there either. We wouldn't have beaten those last 2 Cincy teams for instance.
It's normal to step back after a couple of good years. Really after one most teams regress for a season or two.
Lol, we have a pipeline with Penn and only have 1 player from the state? Levis is from CT, btw.
OH, yes! But half of the OH recruits are from Cincy, which is literally a boarding town to KY.
Oh, okay.
They were good the year before that, too. Not quite as good, but still a bowl team.
We definitely didn't have easier schedules. The SEC was stacked, including the west. Even UL was really good then. The SEC is honestly probably the easiest it's ever been right now. Bama is consistently good in the west, GA in the east. Otherwise, it's been a crapshoot the last few years. LSU had a good year. Auburn had a good year or 2. Now it appears to be Ole' Miss having a good year in the west with Bama. And this year, TN is the only other good east team besides UGA.
Neither of those, but why would it matter what conference they are in if we can't beat them? Have you even looked at their strength of schedule in those years? Considering a committee voted them in based on their body of work for the season, I would bet it wasn't that bad.
Okay, so LSU was just one example. If all the talent is coming from there, how are all these other programs competing as well? We are 80 miles from UC, who were just in the playoffs. We are less than 200 miles from OSU and TN, sitting dead center of them both, and they are both looking for playoff spots this year. Sounds like there must be something we could do, right?
I agree. Gran did a amazing job with what he had to work with a few years. (Due to injury ect)
He may have been the best I have seen here in scheming the run game.
The problem was you have to be a able to throw the ball, He wasn't able to get that done here. Injuries might have caused some of that, regardless QB/WR we're not interested in coming here to play til coen was hired. That changed big-time in one year. But if stoops does not get this offense untracked,he will have a very very difficult time recruiting that type of talent!
Do me a favor- tell me what it would take for you to want Stoops fired. How many years without even winning our half of the conference? Being dominated by Tennessee. Another decade? Does he deserve 20 years? Thirty?
Sure. A sustained downward trajectory. 6–6……5-7….5-7…….6-6…….4-8…..
he’s earned a bit of a grace period from hence forward. But 3 years or so of declining results would be too much for him to weather.
Okay fair enough. I can’t imagine giving him 5 more years but at least you are willing to place some expectations out there.
imo I’m not sure counting OOC wins really tells us anything tbh, especially given the ever-widening gap between the SEC and everyone else. Beating Youngstown State really shouldn’t factor in imo. Failing to have winning records in conference, even with Vandy on the schedule every year, would seem to be a more accurate gauge.
Hard NO! I have been a fan through John Ray, Fran Curci, Jerry Clayborne, Bill Curry, Hal Mummy, Guy Morris, Rich Brooks. Joker Phillips and now Mark Stoops. Going back to about 1966 Stoops is the best head coach in my memory. I don't see UK getting a better one.
Juxtapose this with "10-2, "11-1" and "Atlanta" and "best talent ever'.
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Always these guys 😆
If you compare our numbers to the teams that wore leather helmets, Stoops looks like a ****ing offensive wizard. Maybe, just maybe, some of these comparisons are not relevant 🤷🏻♂️
His overall style is boring. Conservative D, stale O and Im not going to mention the shit show that is the special teams. I started at 8-4 before the season, looks 7-5 or 6-6 might be realistic. Stoops has reached his ceiling, KY doesn't have the recruiting base, UK has to recruit outside to be competitive or expect to win.
Hypotheticals are a waste of time. We can’t see into the future so I will never chant “fire the coach” based on what “might” happen. We don’t know what will happen. Who expected tenn to be sitting at number 1 and Oklahoma/Notre dame to suck?
The truth is we are coming off a 10 win season and there’s less than zero percent chance that stoops will be replaced anytime soon and he doesn’t need to be. So all this “replacement” talk is just ignorant. it’s a waste of time. But it is a message board and I suppose it’s how people vent their frustration.
I gotta say it’s not fair the way you are downplaying our ooc wins. You act like Kentucky is the only team who plays cupcakes ooc. Each and every sec team does it. Most teams have at least one competent ooc opponent. Ours is Louisville. Some teams like Georgia and bama play more marquee opponents but Kentucky can Ill-afford to be that ambitious at the moment. A win is a win. History will remember the overall record. Be happy we aren’t losing to wku and Ohio anymore.
I realize you all have short attention spans, but we’ve clearly been better than South Carolina recently. Not defending this year’s loss, but that’s not the comparison you want to make.
So having actual objective evidence never would have made a difference? Interesting…
Just in it for irritation at this point I see. The fan base thinks you are a loon. Accept it.
Troll is obvious…the fact you couldn’t even get majority support on here should be particularly disheartening.
I can’t put my finger on it. I know I recognize his posting style. He’s one of our long departed nutty brothers from rafters. Back with a shiny new account.
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