Alec Baldwin - UPDATE
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I never said it did? What about you? The difference between the two of us is that I'm speaking from a place of belief and I understand my own biases and I also understand that nearly everything in life operates in the gray area.
Your beliefs have turned into statements of fact based on your own refusal to accept that you are speaking from a place of internal bias.
With that being said...do you think Baldwin will be charged with murder and sentenced to prison time? Because at the end of the day that's all that matters to you. Law and order baby. **** the facts. Someone has got to do the time am I right?
The only thing you can think of is 2 things? Says more about you than anyone else if the only 2 things you can think of are gay people and white supremacy.
He would tell you he would have done the same thing because of his implicit trust of the gun wrangler. Of course he would have checked it.
You don't get to say that. Baldwin is involved. Baldwin pulled the trigger. Nothing else matters beyond that. He was the last line of defense against an accident and he failed. Now he has lied about it. Can't think of any actor that wouldn't be under scrutiny at this point.
Do you ever talk about anything at all where you would be considered well versed on the subject?
Who’s movie set was it? Who pulled the trigger?
ignorance doesn’t get you out of legal trouble. If I don’t know the speed limit I’m still getting a speeding ticket for going over. If I don’t know gun safety rules and I pull the trigger that fires the bullet that ends a life I am responsible
Read his words. Marion’s own words. If you support that then I can’t relate to you at all.
In the past I posted the weapon safety recommendations from one of the two major actors unions. One pertains to training and if you do not have sufficient training that you should demand it. Of course since Alec was in charge of the movie, he could demand of himself that he get more training. He violated many safety protocols.
Sure but who's to say that he understood that the gun was loaded? And I'm legitimately asking you. Have we been told whether or not that he knew the gun was loaded and the safety was off? I haven't dived very deep into this so I don't really know.
You’ll never hear anyone associated with him admit he knew the gun was loaded whether he did or not. That would be a dumb thing for him to admit
Well that changes things. Would he have been in charge of bringing the firearms onto the set or would a separate entity have provided them with the guns? And assuming that he was in charge of the movie I'm going to say he knew that the gun(s) were loaded?
Then that sounds like he should be charged with something.
I still don't understand why anyone would use a loaded gun on a movie set.
Clear the chamber is a good place to start.
don’t point at anything you don’t intend to shoot would probably also be a good one to follow.
I think....and this is just coming from a place of my own understanding of the law and what I know right now....that if he knew the gun was loaded and there is evidence of that then he should be charged with the murder.
If they can't prove that he knew the gun was loaded then there are too many moving variables and I'm not sure the man can be charged with anything.
I was confused after you came to the conclusion this was political and not negligence or murder from reading previous posts while assigning him financial penalties and exonerating him from most everything else. Oh, you also added where you were born and raised as if those are in anyway relevant to a shooting on a movie set.
My apologies and I'll try to avoid using any facts when trying to understand what in the actual fvck you're talking about.
Do I think he should be charged with murder? If the investigation determines he committed murder then yeah, I'd probably be good with that.
And don’t hire a person whose sole responsibility is to check and maintain weapons on a movie set. Let the actors do that job. They all are probably well versed on weapons. No reason to trust a “professional “ who tells you the gun is cold.
There are many rumors going around, but I don't know how true they are. He hired the weapon experts. The weapon was in his hand. People had walked off the set over prior safety incidents. Other than that, I'll wait for the trial.
I said the conversation (on here) was political. Not the investigation. The investigation is warranted.
I also think that if the investigation determines he committed murder that he should be charged with murder.
The actor's union's safety recommendations state the actor should ask for more training if they aren't well versed.
Exactly. That's what most of us have been saying all along. When someone hands you a gun and you voluntarily take possession of it, it doesn't matter whether they are a professional or not. Additionally, it doesn't matter if they 'tell' you it's cold or clear. It is your responsibility to handle the gun in a safe manner. This begins with checking its condition yourself each and every time, even if you personally witnessed them clear it before handing it to you.
This shit ain't hard.
You are like a skipping record or a GIF on a loop.
If you get new brakes put on your car do you inspect them before you drive? If you get a prescription do you check to see you got the correct medicine? He will have some responsibility. Financially of course. But your dream of him being put in prison is just not going to happen.
Seems his whole purpose is to bait. He is a woke stereotype.
Of course not. However, if I were picking up my car after the brakes were replaced and chatting with my mechanic, I would absolutely clear any gun he handed to me and I sure as hell wouldn't point it at anyone else in the garage.
Wrong. There are gun owners in New York.....and they follow the same principles. Also, this isn't Baldwin's first encounter with a firearm. He's dealt with them a lot of times in his past.
I see what you are saying but isn't it his responsibility, and the responsibility of anyone holding a gun, to know if it's loaded or not. Are you saying a person who holds and fires a gun without checking should bear no responsibility for what happens after?
Nothing illegal about it. Just two American citizens bartering tools
So you are arguing that the person in possession of a firearm has no responsibility to check it before pulling the trigger if someone else has told them it's not loaded?
Actually I just disagree with 90% of the posters on here. That’s not baiting. You all are so used to being around people who agree with you that you can’t take someone that doesn’t. Every time someone on here disagrees with me it validates my beliefs.
Baldwin has a 30 year record of being an asshole to people and violently attacking people in public. He constantly gets the benefit of the doubt because he says the right things and gives money to the right places. This is a case of a female on set asking Baldwin to do something that he got pissed over and decided to be an asshole and point the gun at her and pull the trigger. He didn't load it but, out of anger, he pointed the gun at her and pulled the trigger. It fits his character for his entire life.
It's not intentional homicide but he committed manslaughter at the least. The politics of this is because if he wasn't who he was he would already have been charged.
No. I check the chamber though
Sometimes, sure. I've also purchased guns from plumbers, electricians, and carpenters (not the waterhead twin singer* kind though), among others. There's nothing illegal about private citizens selling guns to each other.
*H/T CastleRubric
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Assuming that we don't know the entire situation, what I'm trying to say is that anything could have happened during the filming of the movie. He could have been told that it was a fake or a prop. He could have been told that it was cold. Its not the first time someone has ever had a gun pointed at them on a movie set. Where do we draw the line between accident and murder? Would you charge the guys who controls the rig on a bungee jump with murder if they hooked someone up and didn't check the rig and the cord broke? No one would get charged with murder. The family would sue the company...and thats where I think this ultimately ends up. Baldwin will get sued out of the ass.
You said nothing wrong with two Americans doing gun deals. But you don’t check
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