Here is my question for you, did UK get called for shoving etc under the basket, as long as they call if fair both ways, then the onus is on UK for being weak.
22 calls from one ref all against UK?
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We got called for some of the weakest shit I've ever seen. Did you watch the game? It was unfathomably bad, as indicated by Orlandis Poole turning the absolute screws on us.
Just play the MOST PRODUCTIVE unit the most minutes together!!!
Hurley is one of THE biggest ref antagonists in college basketball. Even in his very young career he has made a name for himself. Heck even last night there was an incident of him yelling at the refs over some fan (regardless of how he tried to explain it as nothing).
So if you think trading in Cal for Hurley, and expecting this situation to change, think again.
And there is now way our fans attacking a ref's business and person wasn't picked up and taken up by other officials. I find it a little silly to think our coach has to play nice with officials but what we did wouldn't have some possible ramifications going forward.
Cal is going to be gone soon, and you won't be able to blame him for everything. I think you'll be shocked to find that Kentucky still face some hurdles whether he's our coach or not.
This is the very reason I have said that the ONLY way to get the SEC to do something about it is for UK fans to STOP attending the SEC Tournament for a year or 2. Without the UK contingent, Nashville would be a GHOST TOWN for the weekend and the arena would be nearly empty. UK fans are the ONLY ONES that even give a crap about SEC Basketball!!!
When you watch Big 12 or ACC games that involve KU, Duke or UNC, they ALWAYS get the BEST whistle!! Those leagues take care of their Blue Bloods, the SEC does NOT.
@ tenn is a good example of a decently officiated game (although not perfect). Neither team seemed to have a glaringly clear advantage. They missed a shot block on us, but they also missed a Reeves OOB. Dalton got hammered a few times for no call, yet some ticky tack fouls were called on us, such as the DJ foul in the final seconds.
When the calls are relatively even, we're hard to beat. @Tenn is a perfect example of this.
When the calls are relatively even, we're hard to beat. @Tenn is a perfect example of this.
Cool story...you think we win more or less than 2 SEC Tournament games in five seasons?
If it’s true that he called 22 straight against UK and none against TAM, I’d say that would be mathematically impossible to not be cheating and should be sent to the sec. Although they would probably ignore it
Poole has ALWAYS been bad for us. Lot of people on Shows but if you want to blame a ref I could have told you before the game that Poole is anti UK for whatever reason.
I noticed this guy's calls multiple times. I don't remember him making any calls against Texas A&M. This sounds legit to me.
I’m right there with you. I did go to the the st Pete game ( short drive for me so no expense for hotel)which is my last until Cal is gone. I can’t believe people bought tickets thinking they would win the sec tourney. Wonder how many will follow them in the big dance? What a waste of money.
Yes it would have to be mathematically next to impossible for this to happen without bias. The sec is cool though. They got a&m in the dance so they’re counting their dollars. The only way to combat it is boycott it all completely until it changes or find a whistle blower to expose the corruption.
Yes I did, and I am tired of people crying about ref's. The fact is look at the stats, and the box score don't support your claim to the extent you claim. Yes I do agree I saw some bad calls both ways, but the fact is UK had superior talent, and did not win the game. If you look at the box score from the regular season and this game, the are almost identical, which tells me, Cal made no changes or adjustments and they beat our butts again.
You a ref yourself or related to one?
I just rewatched the whole game. I noted all foul calls that were only called by Poole. He called 12 on UK and 1 on TAMU. Toss out the last two fouls because they were intentional. So it was 10 on UK and 1 on TAMU.
First Half
15:11 Calls foul on Z
12:39 Charge foul on Reeves
11:38 charge foul on Wagner
8:57 goaltending call him and shows-confirmed
6:57 foul on shepherd
2:44 foul on edwards
:53 foul on Thiero trying to offensive rebound
:28 foul on TAMU-Washington
End of Half
Second Half
18:16 calls foul on Reeves (3rd) Taylor wasn’t shooting
11:18 foul on Dillingham
8:06 foul on Reeves (4th)-very bad call
:51.8 foul on Mitchell
:20.9 fifth foul on reeves
First Half
15:11 Calls foul on Z
12:39 Charge foul on Reeves
11:38 charge foul on Wagner
8:57 goaltending call him and shows-confirmed
6:57 foul on shepherd
2:44 foul on edwards
:53 foul on Thiero trying to offensive rebound
:28 foul on TAMU-Washington
End of Half
Second Half
18:16 calls foul on Reeves (3rd) Taylor wasn’t shooting
11:18 foul on Dillingham
8:06 foul on Reeves (4th)-very bad call
:51.8 foul on Mitchell
:20.9 fifth foul on reeves
We were damned if we do and damned if we don’t. I’ll just hope it’s more a calipari thing than a kentucky thing. A few of them admitted they don’t like him, but anonymously, in an article a few years back.
"how is it possible that the official who was a part of the nba scandal that did the UK game"
"Made 22 calls all against UK"
"Every single one"
"In 3 of the last 4 Kentucky games he officiated Antonio Reeves fouled out lol."
"Made 22 calls all against UK"
"Every single one"
"In 3 of the last 4 Kentucky games he officiated Antonio Reeves fouled out lol."
Curious thing about that is since 2017 is when over half of our losses in his games have occurred...wonder why
Approximately 20-22 over the entire game. Total fouls called against us was 24. I only saw Shows call one himself. Several of Orlandis's calls were in conjunction with another ref but he was not always the one that called out the player number towards the scorer's table on those. He was very Phat Adams-esque last night with his attitude.
Oh and UK's record over the last 9 games he's called: 5 losses, 4 wins.
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Did you also count the ones where he called them along with someone else? If you look close enough, some of the fouls called by the other guy not named Shows were also called by Poole. Even if he wasn't the one making the player number call to the scorer's table, he still whistled them.
We had 24 total fouls. Even if by chance your count is dead accurate, that's nearly half called by one ref. And they rotate positions at each end of the court so it's not like he was always in the same spot each possession.
Poole needs investigated.
One of my buddies is a retired big time coach at a big time school. (Not basketball or football) He says the same thing.
The big tell is referees who set up front businesses to help layer and place gambling proceeds or other transactions. They used to deal in cash and use friends and relatives to serve as a go-between. In the era of online betting, it would be very easy to obscure who is actually placing bets, especially if you've got a group of folks in on the scheme.
This needs to be investigated and the outcome publicly announced. It wouldn't surprise me if it was intentional to get A&M in the T to pad SEC pockets.
Never can depend on the Refs I still blame Cal not having his team ready to match AM D, Cal got to be the worst coach in the SEC and beyond.
Called it last night. This guy was shady as hell.
Pretty wild he had a better record in games against the spread as an NBA official than Tim Donaghy.
I watched it live. Don't have to see the tape.
I told my friend and even mentioned it in the game thread.
EVERY call he made was for A&M.
Too much to be a coincidence..
Like I said in another thread, dude was either on the take,
OR he hates Cal.
You know you are in trouble when Doug Shows is the most unbiased official in the crew.
The other official, the young dude from Arkansas appeared to just have a really bad game.
If he blew his whistle, he more times than not made the wrong call, but his bad game was at least somewhat both ways.
Doug Shows made very few calls last night. He only made "look at the monitor " calls.
It still cracks me up when there is horrendous officiating like this (that many of us saw and understood because it looked like what we’ve seen before) and people still feel compelled to say, “but that’s not why we lost” or, “we didn’t deserve to win.”
Anybody care to consider what it would look like if the game was officiated fairly?
You CAN blame officials. In fact, it’s often the safe bet.
Anybody care to consider what it would look like if the game was officiated fairly?
You CAN blame officials. In fact, it’s often the safe bet.
Those “look at the monitor” calls were designed to stop the game.
K was horrible to officials and they kissed his feet.
This goes deeper than the officials.
Once A&M was safely in the field, they quit getting calls today. Buzz just complained on his way off the court that they had five players with two fouls and a crazy amount at the half. He even asked Marty Smith if he had any eligibility left.
I only counted the calls he made solo. I put that in my post.
I watched the entire game again. It was rough. I went by watching who blew the whistle.
I noticed that as well. But last night, I don't think they even have one get 4 fouls in the entire game. Meanwhile, we had 2 foul out who rarely ever foul.
Any sport that allows organized gambling, is nothing more than an offsite casino game, and the refs are the “pit bosses”!
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