1 Oklahoma @ 2 Kansas

[The_Answer1313]

**Eh, most of the rest are pretty good too......just two definite very bad teams this year in OSU & TCU. OSU would've been better had they not lost P. Forte for the year.

Yeah but isn't that comparable to other conferences? Baylor 37th Texas Tech 39th, Texas 52nd, K State 55th

ACC take out their first four and you have Miami FL 12th, Pitts 27th, Notre Dame 37th and Florida St at 45.
P12 you got Oregon St (40th), Utah (43rd), Colorado (51st), UCLA (56th)
Big Ten you got Michigan (24th), Indiana (25th), Northwestern (50th), Ohio St (54th)
Big East Seton Hall (41st), Georgetown (67th), Creighton (69th), Marquette (113th)
SEC you got Vandy (26th), UGA (68th), LSU (76th), Ole Miss (79th)

So I think with the Big 12, ACC, Pac 12 and Big Ten at least the mid tier teams are comparable. That's why I think although the Big 12 conference is at the top, alot of that is derived from Oklahoma and Kansas. The Big 12 upper teams are better than the other conferences.

 

[Cali-Hawk]

Yep.

There were some missed calls but overall I thought the refs did good.

I'm not sure how you arrived at that. I think the bad calls were more or less even on both teams, but I frankly thought the refs sucked. In a game with that intensity level and that many pivotal plays each team will have a handful of 50:50's that go against them. There were more than a handful.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

I'm not debating Big 12 vs SEC with that. I was commenting moreso Big 12 vs other conferences. I think everyone knows the SEC has been weak for some time now.

It has, but despite that we outperform the B-12 in the NCAA by a long shot during KU's infamous conference streak. Taking away KU and UK, the SEC has had 4 FF appearances (UF and LSU) and 2 titles (Florida), and the B-12 has had ZERO of either.

BTW, the B-10 blows both conferences out of the water in FF appearances, but they can't win it all. So, let KU continue to puff out their chests with the streak. I'd rather hang banners.

 

[The_Answer1313]

Actually looking at Kenpom I don't understand why the ACC isn't rated higher. They have 5 of the top 12 teams yet their conference is ranked 2nd to the Big 12.

I think it also helps that the Big 12 has 10 teams compared to the 15 the ACC has.

 

[Cali-Hawk]

**Really, Baron?! Looked pretty easy to get a pass off under him when he was jumping to Cousins to his left to me.

I'm personally excited that this was upsetting to Baron Davis. KU fans definitely don't like him and with good reason. And yes, Illinois fans can hate Cliff Alexander for the same reason. Picking up the hat of his runner-up then taking it off.

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

And on that replay, many of you claimed that Mason hacked Hield and it was pretty frickin' obvious that he did NOT!!!!

Ball don't lie (but KU fans do)

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

****Ok, if that 3 foot rule, is an actual rule, I agree with others - I really don't think that's a rule or a teammate could ALWAYS get in front of the defender for them to just hand it off to!!!

And on that replay, many of you claimed that Mason hacked Hield and it was pretty frickin' obvious that he did NOT!!!!

Another "hack" KU fans and Self didn't see.

 

[BBUK]

Ball don't lie (but KU fans do)

A picture worth...Heck at least he was taking his hands off his hips...

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

Jealous you can't play teams like that in the SEC? i don't know how you guys watch those League games. Y'all really need to bolt to the ACC or BIG. Like decades ago

Big 12 doesn't fare much better against us than the SEC. Note Kansas' stellar 6-22 record vs. Kentucky. Now, who's "jealous"?

 

[BBUK]

Big 12 doesn't fare much better against us than the SEC. Note Kansas' stellar 6-22 record vs. Kentucky. Now, who's "jealous"?

Dang, that'll leave a mark...

 

[KneeBurns]

Big 12 doesn't fare much better against us than the SEC. Note Kansas' stellar 6-22 record vs. Kentucky. Now, who's "jealous"?

Dang, that'll leave a mark...

Why would it leave a mark? Most of those came in the 1970s, before basketball was even on TV. In the past 30 years it's what, 7-5 Kentucky? And it'll be 7-6 with the loss you're about to get in 3 weeks.

 

[KneeBurns]

So, let KU continue to puff out their chests with the streak. I'd rather hang banners.

And what banners do you speak of? National Title banners? How many has Cal won - as many as Self has. Kentucky has 3 banners the past 30 years, Kansas has 2. (Duke has 5 and UCONN has 4 and Ville has 3).

 

[Floydboy12]

Why would it leave a mark? Most of those came in the 1970s, before basketball was even on TV. In the past 30 years it's what, 7-5 Kentucky? And it'll be 7-6 with the loss you're about to get in 3 weeks.

Haha. What a troll. Nice play using the 30 yr. marker. Which conveniently removes the 11 losses in a row you had in the years immediately prior to that. But congrats on that 5-7 record since 85

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

Why would it leave a mark? Most of those came in the 1970s, before basketball was even on TV. In the past 30 years it's what, 7-5 Kentucky? And it'll be 7-6 with the loss you're about to get in 3 weeks.

Ok, we'll play that game. Remove 3 of the banners (2 Helms...lol) They were won pre-70's. Also, since you're using the 70's as a starting point in your team's history, remove all of Phog Allen's accomplishments from the Phog. Destroy the official basketball rules documents written up by Dr. Naismith.

 

[KneeBurns]

Haha. What a troll. Nice play using the 30 yr. marker. Which conveniently removes the 11 losses in a row you had in the years immediately prior to that. But congrats on that 5-7 record since 85

I'm not ignoring them at all. Clearly they happened. I was a toddler in the 1970s so I didn't know it was happening, and since college basketball didn't hit TV until the early 1980s, nobody saw them in Kentucky either.


We used to have the same problems with UCLA. We've won 7 of our last 8 against them, but I'm sure there are some Bruin fans who will still bring up John Wooden's dominance of us. I read on Wiki that happened, too.

 

[KneeBurns]

Ok, we'll play that game. Remove 3 of the banners (2 Helms...lol) They were won pre-70's. Also, since you're using the 70's as a starting point in your team's history, remove all of Phog Allen's accomplishments from the Phog. Destroy the official basketball rules documents written up by Dr. Naismith.

I agree with you, Naismith & Phog's coaching achievements aren't all that interesting or relevant to today's fans. They're both only interesting for their contributions to the game. I really don't care if Phog won 1 or 3 titles. Not in the least.

 

[Sawyer]

Who ya got? Looking forward to a good matchup. I'll go with KU at home.

Kansas tradition and Allen Fieldhouse is number one in college basketball as much as I hate to admit to it. Hell, even the original rules of the game are enshrined there. A game there should be on everyone's bucket list.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

I'm not ignoring them at all. Clearly they happened. I was a toddler in the 1970s so I didn't know it was happening, and since college basketball didn't hit TV until the early 1980s, nobody saw them in Kentucky either.


We used to have the same problems with UCLA. We've won 7 of our last 8 against them, but I'm sure there are some Bruin fans who will still bring up John Wooden's dominance of us. I read on Wiki that happened, too.

Uh..... anybody remember Bird vs Magic on the radio....Bobby Knight's wife crying on radio...Bill Walton's team losing at Notre Dame on the radio? David Thompson hitting his head?

Basketball was on TV and got huge ratings.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

Selective timing is so UL.

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

I agree with you, Naismith & Phog's coaching achievements aren't all that interesting or relevant to today's fans. They're both only interesting for their contributions to the game. I really don't care if Phog won 1 or 3 titles. Not in the least.

Do you care about this?

 

[TexKat]

Why would it leave a mark? Most of those came in the 1970s, before basketball was even on TV. In the past 30 years it's what, 7-5 Kentucky? And it'll be 7-6 with the loss you're about to get in 3 weeks.

It gets so old when particular schools elect their own timeframe to make them feel more successful in the big picture than they really are. We've heard that from so many different schools through the decades it's sickening. BIG picture counts! It's real.

And hoops was on tv before the 70's dude.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

And what banners do you speak of? National Title banners? How many has Cal won - as many as Self has. Kentucky has 3 banners the past 30 years, Kansas has 2. (Duke has 5 and UCONN has 4 and Ville has 3).

The issue was conferences. Do try and keep up. And again, that's 3 titles for the SEC during your streak. 1 for the B-12. 8 FFs for the SEC, 2 for the B-12.

Damn, son, you need to pack your books cuz I'm taking you to school.

 

[CharlieT71059]

I watched the last 3 minutes which turned out to be 3 minutes PLUS 3 overtimes. Oklahoma had several chances to win, but they threw it away. The last 15 seconds, they turned the ball over 2 times and they were up by one. It sucked

 

[KneeBurns]

It gets so old when particular schools elect their own timeframe to make them feel more successful in the big picture than they really are. We've heard that from so many different schools through the decades it's sickening. BIG picture counts! It's real.

And hoops was on tv before the 70's dude.

Honestly, you're the only fanbase who talks about long-ago history. At least that I've encountered. Nobody on the UCLA board brags about still having a 10-9 lead on us. Or Indiana being 7-6, or UNC being 6-5. I really only encounter the "all time series" stuff here.


I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm not saying you're wrong to feel that way. Only that I don't see it elsewhere.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Honestly, you're the only fanbase who talks about long-ago history. At least that I've encountered. Nobody on the UCLA board brags about still having a 10-9 lead on us. Or Indiana being 7-6, or UNC being 6-5. I really only encounter the "all time series" stuff here.


I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm not saying you're wrong to feel that way. Only that I don't see it elsewhere.

The UCLA fanbase could fit in my backyard. Other schools don't talk about it, because they don't have the record to brag about.

 

[KneeBurns]

The UCLA fanbase could fit in my backyard. Other schools don't talk about it, because they don't have the record to brag about.

I'll trust you on that one, I guess. Does the UNC board hammer the 23-13 lead they have on you? Or do they care mostly about recent results? Honest question.

 

[TexKat]

The UCLA fanbase could fit in my backyard. Other schools don't talk about it, because they don't have the record to brag about.

This. No more, no less. Nothing personal.

 

[TexKat]

I'll trust you on that one, I guess. Does the UNC board hammer the 23-13 lead they have on you? Or do they care mostly about recent results? Honest question.

Honest answer, sure they do re all time.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

I'll trust you on that one, I guess. Does the UNC board hammer the 23-13 lead they have on you? Or do they care mostly about recent results? Honest question.

They have but they don't squawk much anymore since the world knows they've been cheating for years.

 

[KneeBurns]

Honest answer, sure they do re all time.

Huh. Well then, I don't understand UNC's behavior either.


Fun fact: KU is 3-9 all time vs Notre Dame. That sounds hard to believe, until you realize they (like Kentucky) ran up a huge margin in the 1970s. I guess they can puff their chests out too if it makes them feel better.

 

[Floydboy12]

I'm not ignoring them at all. Clearly they happened. I was a toddler in the 1970s so I didn't know it was happening, and since college basketball didn't hit TV until the early 1980s, nobody saw them in Kentucky either.


We used to have the same problems with UCLA. We've won 7 of our last 8 against them, but I'm sure there are some Bruin fans who will still bring up John Wooden's dominance of us. I read on Wiki that happened, too.

I hate to break this to you, but basketball was being shown on TV before the 80's. But, I don't see why that matters anyway. Does not being on TV mean it didn't happen?

I'll trust you on that one, I guess. Does the UNC board hammer the 23-13 lead they have on you? Or do they care mostly about recent results? Honest question.

Um. Yea they do. But maybe we need to try your tactics and only go back to 2000? Cause that's when the internet first became popular right? And really nothing important happened before that. That would make us 8-7 against them.

 

[KneeBurns]

I hate to break this to you, but basketball was being shown on TV before the 80's. But, I don't see why that matters anyway. Does not being on TV mean it didn't happen?

It means nobody even saw it. Few people even followed regular season college basketball ....and it wasn't on TV more than a couple times per year. Coaches lasted forever, and since there was no $$$$ involved in the sport (mostly), there was no real incentive to fire guys. Nobody at KU cared if Ted Owens went 1-11 vs Kentucky nor did they see any reason to cancel the series. Who cared?


But when Tubby and Gillespie struggle, Kentucky moves quickly to fire them. And they cancel the series with Kansas rather than have Bill Self keep ringing the register every year against them.

Um. Yea they do. But maybe we need to try your tactics and only go back to 2000? Cause that's when the internet first became popular right? And really nothing important happened before that. That would make us 8-7 against them.

Dumb. The modern era in TV, tourney brackets, national recruiting, etc etc started early 80s. Plus you were alive then. If you are 15 and only remember the Cal era, then yes: use the 2010s.

 

[Kiimohawk]

The UCLA fanbase could fit in my backyard. Other schools don't talk about it, because they don't have the record to brag about.

This, as a resident of Los Angeles, makes me shake my head. UCLA has a bigger fanbase than Kentucky, they just aren't as vocal about basketball.

 

[Floydboy12]

This, as a resident of Los Angeles, makes me shake my head. UCLA has a bigger fanbase than Kentucky, they just aren't as vocal about basketball.

You may be correct in that Los Angeles has 11 million people or whatever. And I'm sure if you asked all of them what college basketball team they root for the majority would say UCLA. But we are talking fans who actually follow the team closely. Their lackluster attendance at Pauley is all the proof you need to know that they don't have a true bigger fanbase.

 

[preacherfan]

This, as a resident of Los Angeles, makes me shake my head. UCLA has a bigger fanbase than Kentucky, they just aren't as vocal about basketball.

Please explain further. My daugher, who lives out there too, doesn't even know any UCLA fans.

http://www.bruinsnation.com/adminis...ce-ever-at-pauley-pavilion-under-steve-alford

 

[hotelblue]

Why would it leave a mark? Most of those came in the 1970s, before basketball was even on TV. In the past 30 years it's what, 7-5 Kentucky? And it'll be 7-6 with the loss you're about to get in 3 weeks.

you're right. UK's historical domination of every team in your league most notably ku, means nothing now. only in the history books.

 

[hotelblue]

This, as a resident of Los Angeles, makes me shake my head. UCLA has a bigger fanbase than Kentucky, they just aren't as vocal about basketball.

Uh what?

 

[UK till Death]

Kansas fans are just so lame...

Playing the time period game should be below them but they're so damn eaten up with Kentucky they do it anyway.

 

[KneeBurns]

Kansas fans are just so lame...

Playing the time period game should be below them but they're so damn eaten up with Kentucky they do it anyway.

Well, you're eaten up with UNC's dominance in your series so we're both in the same boat.

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

This, as a resident of Los Angeles, makes me shake my head. UCLA has a bigger fanbase than Kentucky, they just aren't as vocal about basketball.

No it doesn't. I live in LA too and when #1 Kentucky played at pauley, there were empty seats all over the upper deck. No way that happens at a school with a signicantly invested, well informed and passionate fanbase.

If you had said the Dodgers or the lakers have a bigger fanbase, then you have a valid argument.

And he probably has a big backyard if he lives in Kentucky