1 Oklahoma @ 2 Kansas

[Kiimohawk]

The University of Southern California Los Angeles has a bigger fanbase than the University of Kentucky. How many of them care about college basketball, however, is impossible to measure. I'm just going off fanbase numbers.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

The University of Southern California Los Angeles has a bigger fanbase than the University of Kentucky. How many of them care about college basketball, however, is impossible to measure. I'm just going off fanbase numbers.

And just where do you get fanbase numbers? Do they register them out there on the left coast?

 

[Floydboy12]

It means nobody even saw it. Few people even followed regular season college basketball ....and it wasn't on TV more than a couple times per year. Coaches lasted forever, and since there was no $$$$ involved in the sport (mostly), there was no real incentive to fire guys. Nobody at KU cared if Ted Owens went 1-11 vs Kentucky nor did they see any reason to cancel the series. Who cared?


But when Tubby and Gillespie struggle, Kentucky moves quickly to fire them. And they cancel the series with Kansas rather than have Bill Self keep ringing the register every year against them.




Dumb. The modern era in TV, tourney brackets, national recruiting, etc etc started early 80s. Plus you were alive then. If you are 15 and only remember the Cal era, then yes: use the 2010s.

So, Your arbitrary timelines are the only ones that are credible? Got it. Thanks

 

[KneeBurns]

So, Your arbitrary timelines are the only ones that are credible? Got it. Thanks

Not at all. KU started 1-8 vs UCLA (mostly at the hands of Wooden) and are since 8-2. There's nothing wrong with UCLA fans clinging to the 60s and 70s to make themselves feel better. When did I say that?

 

[Willy4UK]

The University of Southern California Los Angeles has a bigger fanbase than the University of Kentucky. How many of them care about college basketball, however, is impossible to measure. I'm just going off fanbase numbers.

We got China locked down.

Japan too. Son, we're global.

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

Cool. So uscla, a non-existent school, has a bigger fanbase because...more people live in la?

This is a dumb argument anyway because there's no way to quantify a fanbase, but the one that makes the most sense is to look at home attendance and or tv ratings.

Uk routinely sells out games. Ucla does not. Uk is on national television regularly. Ucla is not.

 

[TexKat]

Proofs in the pudding as they say. KU has always been in the top runners. Big picture counts when it's right in front of ya! Here's link of W/L trends from our grand daddys youth up to 2013. # of teams have some bragging rights through the ages (TV or not!) The "Elites" maintain +/- through the ages. It's a cool thing. KU should be proud of their long run and I'm sure are. I mean geesh..imagine being an Indiana fan for their program fell off a cliff after such a long road of given success. Look see.......

Elites
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/ncaatrends.html

All teams that had their runs
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/ncaaalltimewinstrends.html

 

[Kiimohawk]

uscla.

Ugh. I would screw that up.

 

[TexKat]

Ugh. I would screw that up.

USCLA.....I like that. Combine both LA schools and they still can't match fanbases of either of us.

 

[Mike-D]

This, as a resident of Los Angeles, makes me shake my head. UCLA has a bigger fanbase than Kentucky, they just aren't as vocal about basketball.

 

[BBUK]

Why would it leave a mark? Most of those came in the 1970s, before basketball was even on TV. In the past 30 years it's what, 7-5 Kentucky? And it'll be 7-6 with the loss you're about to get in 3 weeks.

Nice to be sure....

 

[Kiimohawk]

There are 29k students at UK. There are 43k at UCLA. There are 4.4m people in Kentucky. There are 18m in Los Angeles alone.

Are UCLA fans apathetic? Absolutely. Do they care about football more than basketball? Most assuredly. Are UK fans more dedicated basketball fans? Without a doubt. But the comment was that UCLA fans can fit in a Kentucky backyard. There are more UCLA fans than UK fans. It isn't that difficult to understand. I get that you're global and travel better than anyone else. I get that UCLA fans root for whoever is good at the time when they aren't busy slamming tequila in sunglasses at Baja Sharkees. I never said they were better fans. I said they were more numerous.

 

[kyjeff1]

Jealous you can't play teams like that in the SEC? i don't know how you guys watch those League games. Y'all really need to bolt to the ACC or BIG. Like decades ago

Okay so your league has 1 game that was epic and now all the sudden you come over here and cut on the SEC? Might I remind you that the SEC has more titles than the BIG12 and more recent success in the NCAAT than the B12? When was the last time your league put two teams in the same FF? 1988 maybe? Who else in the B12 besides KU has won a title in the modern ERA?
One last thing before I go, is it considered a good league when the same team wins it every year?
The SEC may still be down but watching Texas Tech play Baylor isn't much fun for us to watch either.

 

[Willy4UK]

There are 29k students at UK. There are 43k at UCLA. There are 4.4m people in Kentucky. There are 18m in Los Angeles alone.

Are UCLA fans apathetic? Absolutely. Do they care about football more than basketball? Most assuredly. Are UK fans more dedicated basketball fans? Without a doubt. But the comment was that UCLA fans can fit in a Kentucky backyard. There are more UCLA fans than UK fans. It isn't that difficult to understand. I get that you're global and travel better than anyone else. I get that UCLA fans root for whoever is good at the time when they aren't busy slamming tequila in sunglasses at Baja Sharkees. I never said they were better fans. I said they were more numerous.

And as I pointed out. There are billions of Chinese who call UK the Supreme Leader.

China---------->L.A

 

[kyjeff1]

I don't think it hurts you either. I never bought into the "getting tougher thru conf play" stuff. Your team is what it is: good or bad.


But I'm talking only entertainment value. I tuned into some of your game vs. Ole Miss the other night and they coudln't even complete a pass into the post guy. It was pathetic. Football is impossible for you guys in the SEC, and hoops is pointless

Stay tuned. Wait til you see what happens when UK goes on the road. All these teams that "suck" go all pro as soon as UK is the opponent . they all play like their lives depend on it and we aren't talking about chumps either, the SEC has top notch athletes, what the league lacks is good coaching. When good athletes decide they want to play hard they do it. Problem is they only do it when a big name is in their gym.

 

[Bkocats]

This, as a resident of Los Angeles, makes me shake my head. UCLA has a bigger fanbase than Kentucky, they just aren't as vocal about basketball.

Kiimo - you know I generally like your posts ,but this is a little off.
You are aware, of course, that UK fans aren't just from Lexington, right? I have yet to go anywhere in this country - or even outside of this country, where I didn't meet other UK fans; many of whom have never even been to this state.
If there are so many UCLA fans - why aren't they at Pauley on game nights? Their attendance when UK was there was just over 12K; I believe I read around a third of that number were UK fans. They had been averaging around 6K prior to our game with them.
Don't mistake the fact that Lexington is much smaller than LA has anything to do with the number of UK fans there are.

 

[kyjeff1]

Since 1990 the SEC has 6 National Championships. The Big12 has 1.

@KneeBurns
Dam that hurts doesn't it? I mean 1 title in 25 years… 26 actually. For a league that is consistently thought of as the best conference that is not a good stat. But our league is boring??? OKAY!

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

There are 29k students at UK. There are 43k at UCLA. There are 4.4m people in Kentucky. There are 18m in Los Angeles alone.

Are UCLA fans apathetic? Absolutely. Do they care about football more than basketball? Most assuredly. Are UK fans more dedicated basketball fans? Without a doubt. But the comment was that UCLA fans can fit in a Kentucky backyard. There are more UCLA fans than UK fans. It isn't that difficult to understand. I get that you're global and travel better than anyone else. I get that UCLA fans root for whoever is good at the time when they aren't busy slamming tequila in sunglasses at Baja Sharkees. I never said they were better fans. I said they were more numerous.

Trying to quantify the size of a fanbase based on school enrollment and city size is like saying that there are more sharks in the Pacific Ocean than the Atlantic.

There is no way to measure this, but I do know that Kentucky sharks would make chum out of ucla sharks

 

[kyjeff1]

***Sorry, but if you had to deal with the Iowa State extremists of recent years, your blood would be boiling too.

They always and I mean ALWAYS make that claim - "KU ALWAYS gets the calls", "They LEAD the nation, or at least the conference in FTAs", "Or they at least lead in FTAs at home", etc, etc.

Yet, you go and show them facts such as KU was toward the bottom 3 in both of those categories in the conference and they ignore the facts.

Yeah, you're the same fanbase that said Missouri's fans would embarrass the SEC and called them METH-U. You guys said "you'll see, you will hate them ". We haven't heard a peep out of Mizzou fans. Now it's Iowa State that is really bad. Nice work.

 

[Kiimohawk]

^^^edit: gosh what has MU done recently to be embarrassing? Hmmmm.

Okay I'll let this go since you're right it is impossible to prove. I'll just say you can take every single person in the state of Kentucky, multiply it by 4 and LA would still have more people. That's just one city. It's just silly to think that UCLA doesn't have any fans because you don't interact with them and they don't go to Pauley, which incidentally is awful, seats only 12k people, and is populated by fair-weather fans.

 

[kyjeff1]

No, they couldn't say that. The Big 12 has been better in the computer ratings for ages. Including Sagarin's all-time ranking. It's not a blip, it's not a short term trend, and it's not debateable numerically.


Last year, the Big 12 was +5 better on average than the SEC per Sagarin. (Which correlates 95% to Vegas lines, so we know it's a good proxy). But when you took out Kentucky, that jumped to +7.


Since Kentucky cannot play itself, we can therefore conclude mathematically that your conf slate last year was on average 7 points worse per game. That is not conjecture. That is math.

Results in the NCAAT the last 26 years tells a different story.

 

[kyjeff1]

In the last 8 years, the American Conference has as many as the entire SEC.

And the BIG12.

 

[kyjeff1]

I'm not debating Big 12 vs SEC with that. I was commenting moreso Big 12 vs other conferences. I think everyone knows the SEC has been weak for some time now.

Easy now, not everyone knows that. Ulismyman is still unaware of this fact. He still thinks the SEC is a top conference. Poor fella.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

Now KU fans are praising AD. When he was here they laughed about him and called him difference maker.

And KU has a losing record to the other 5 dynasty programs....if you count IU.

 

[kyjeff1]

I'm not sure how you arrived at that. I think the bad calls were more or less even on both teams, but I frankly thought the refs sucked. In a game with that intensity level and that many pivotal plays each team will have a handful of 50:50's that go against them. There were more than a handful.

Well I must apologize to my fellow UK fans. I was wrong. I thought UK fans were the worst in the world at blaming refs after every game. Yup, I was wrong.
Here we have a bunch of KU fans on someone else's board crying non stop about the officiating in a game that they won.
Dear KU fans, the refs were trying to let both teams play, you guys hack more than Oklahoma when you play D so you were called for fouling more often. So what, big deal. Take your cheating win and be happy with it.

 

[kyjeff1]

Honestly, you're the only fanbase who talks about long-ago history. At least that I've encountered. Nobody on the UCLA board brags about still having a 10-9 lead on us. Or Indiana being 7-6, or UNC being 6-5. I really only encounter the "all time series" stuff here.


I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm not saying you're wrong to feel that way. Only that I don't see it elsewhere.

It's brought up because every time you fools witness your basketball team accomplish something of Merit you bring your happy a$$es over here to puff out your chest. Then we are forced to remind you that your program is STILL beneath UK.

 

[kyjeff1]

Huh. Well then, I don't understand UNC's behavior either.


Fun fact: KU is 3-9 all time vs Notre Dame. That sounds hard to believe, until you realize they (like Kentucky) ran up a huge margin in the 1970s. I guess they can puff their chests out too if it makes them feel better.

You guys talk about your dominance over all BIG12 teams, what's the difference? If KU had a 22-6 lead over UK you guys would make sure we knew that fact very often.
Jeez, is there a non BIG12 team that you have a positive record against? Seems every non-BIG12 team has you guys down.

 

[kyjeff1]

This, as a resident of Los Angeles, makes me shake my head. UCLA has a bigger fanbase than Kentucky, they just aren't as vocal about basketball.

Man, you have no idea just how wrong you are. If UCLA had a fanbase that was worth a dam they would attract more than 6k a game. You would have a hard time believing that they have 11 titles because those fans seem like they could care less. They might have more people that are fans of tge school but they don't have a sports fanbase that is anywhere near what UK has.

 

[kyjeff1]

Well, you're eaten up with UNC's dominance in your series so we're both in the same boat.

Huh, where did you get that? You just fabricated this bs. You asked if UNC fans brag about their lead over UK and a couple of people said yes now all the sudden that means we are ate up about it?

 

[Bkocats]

isn't this thread done yet?

 

[JohnBlue_]

The only people that attempt to sell history short are those without any. Also, no one comes close to UK Basketball's fan base, no contest there no matter how many people live in the city the school resides.

 

[JohnBlue_]

isn't this thread done yet?

Good ideal.