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“Pastor” is a con artist.

Have at it but his being white had nothing to do with his con job. He specifically said God told him to set up this crypto and to use his congregation to help. That is using Christianity/religion as an excuse. I question white people daily because of what they do not because they are white unless they use being white as and excuse to justify their behavior like this guy did with Christianity.


No for sure, I’m just saying this is yet another example of why people question white people. He’s on there as an example of white people, and he’s stealing. Just a bad look for the whites. And then you kinda start looking into all the weird and terrible shit white people are into and you get why people question them.
 
No for sure, I’m just saying this is yet another example of why people question white people. He’s on there as an example of white people, and he’s stealing. Just a bad look for the whites. And then you kinda start looking into all the weird and terrible shit white people are into and you get why people question them.
Again that works if those people use being white as an excuse for their actions like this guy tried to use God and Christianity.
 
No for sure, I’m just saying this is yet another example of why people question white people. He’s on there as an example of white people, and he’s stealing. Just a bad look for the whites. And then you kinda start looking into all the weird and terrible shit white people are into and you get why people question them.

This is a good point. I'm most bothered by the pastor using his white privilege than what he did with said privilege.

We just need to get rid of white people once and for all.
 
now do islam

now do trust the science
@BigBlueDave , I'm going to assume that you are a Christian. This type of "now do ..." stuff is very unhelpful. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard instead of comparing what another group does or doesn't do.

It kind of feels like a crowd chanting "Overrated!" when their team is beating a team that was supposedly better.

Also, I’m all in for the honky purge. Can we do it in summer when I have my deep tan?
 
I'm not religious, but to say: "This is why many question Christians" is pretty low reasoning.

How many pastors are there in this country? Thousands and thousands?

If a doctor gets charged with Medicare fraud do you say "welp, no more medical care for me, they can't be trusted. Essential oils only!"
Great example. A LOT of doctors are charged with Medicare/Medicaid fraud. Even more with malpractice.
 
Ok, mission accomplished. This pastor is proof Christianity and religion are a scam. Well done! Go enjoy a Pepsi and rejoice for the rest of the day, your work is done!

I don’t think he was trying to “prove” anything. I agree with him a little bit. I grew up Catholic and was very skeptical about the whole thing by age 12. I knew I was out on religion the day I moved out of my parents house.

Around that time (circa 2000) the priests banging altar boys scandal exploded nationwide. The church did little to stop it and tried to sweep it under the rug. This, to me, lowered my opinion of the Catholic church. I thought, “I am supposed to look toward the clergy for moral guidance, yet many are out here molesting young boys and the Vatican is helping cover it up.”

My opinion of Catholic priests and Catholicism as a whole dropped. I don’t believe every Catholic priest is bad, but I don’t also assume they’re automatically good just because of their profession. Same applies to evangelical pastors who fleece their flocks, cheat on their spouses, get caught having gay sex after making a career denouncing homosexuality, etc.

I think TCurtis is trying to say that when alleged holy men and women commit unholy acts, it lessens the credibility of their message.
 
I don’t think he was trying to “prove” anything. I agree with him a little bit. I grew up Catholic and was very skeptical about the whole thing by age 12. I knew I was out on religion the day I moved out of my parents house.

Around that time (circa 2000) the priests banging altar boys scandal exploded nationwide. The church did little to stop it and tried to sweep it under the rug. This, to me, lowered my opinion of the Catholic church. I thought, “I am supposed to look toward the clergy for moral guidance, yet many are out here molesting young boys and the Vatican is helping cover it up.”

My opinion of Catholic priests and Catholicism as a whole dropped. I don’t believe every Catholic priest is bad, but I don’t also assume they’re automatically good just because of their profession. Same applies to evangelical pastors who fleece their flocks, cheat on their spouses, get caught having gay sex after making a career denouncing homosexuality, etc.

I think TCurtis is trying to say that when alleged holy men and women commit unholy acts, it lessens the credibility of their message.
I am not Catholic. I am Christian, who follows the teachings of Jesus, not religion.

What would you have us believers do when Pastors do not uphold their responsibilities as laid out in the Bible?

I will tell you what any church will do who follows Jesus and the teachings in the New Testament...the Pastor will be removed from his role. He will no longer be a member of the church, until he repents of his sin and asks for forgiveness. But under no circumstance will he be in a pastoral role again. He must be above reproach, which he clearly no longer is.

Jesus preaches forgiveness, so if the individual has asked for forgiveness in a genuine manner, he will be forgiven. But as stated, will not be back in any pastoral role at that church.

If his discretions are criminal in nature, then prison time is more than warranted.

What else should the church do to satisfy non believers? We live in a fallen world, which is why I always scratch my head when ppl put pastors, religious leaders, politicians, celebrities, athletes on pedestals, as they always, always, always fail you.

Jesus Christ never does. Follow Him, not people.
 
I am not Catholic. I am Christian, who follows the teachings of Jesus, not religion.

What would you have us believers do when Pastors do not uphold their responsibilities as laid out in the Bible?

I will tell you what any church will do who follows Jesus and the teachings in the New Testament...the Pastor will be removed from his role. He will no longer be a member of the church, until he repents of his sin and asks for forgiveness. But under no circumstance will he be in a pastoral role again. He must be above reproach, which he clearly no longer is.

Jesus preaches forgiveness, so if the individual has asked for forgiveness in a genuine manner, he will be forgiven. But as stated, will not be back in any pastoral role at that church.

If his discretions are criminal in nature, then prison time is more than warranted.

What else should the church do to satisfy non believers? We live in a fallen world, which is why I always scratch my head when ppl put pastors, religious leaders, politicians, celebrities, athletes on pedestals, as they always, always, always fail you.

Jesus Christ never does. Follow Him, not people.
I appreciate your efforts to live your faith. I never bought into the story, so I live my life my own way, which probably is similar to yours outside of the religious aspect - try to be kind, lend a helping hand, lend a friendly ear and try to use empathy and compassion for others even when it’s not easy. The only difference is one of us believes a god is watching us do that stuff, one does not.

I would like it if all clergy who didn’t practice what they preach are excommunicated from their profession. Often times that’s not the case. The offending clergy is usually shuffled off to another congregation elsewhere who is not familiar with the person’s previous misdeeds.

I know the Southern Baptist Convention was dealing with a sex scandal of its own recently (700+ alleged victims of sexual abuse since 1998), and their response was about as toothless as the response from the Vatican.

I am in full agreement about not placing humans on a pedestal. I am the same with professions. Are all military, cops, teachers, nurses, clergy, etc., automatically awesome people because of their profession? Of course not. Are most of them? Probably. I tend to evaluate character on a case by case basis, and profession and which god they do/don’t pray to have little to do with said evaluation. Which leads me to lament that I’ve been called a bad or evil parson many times by believers for not believing in the same god as they do. Two way street there, IMO.
 
I don’t think he was trying to “prove” anything. I agree with him a little bit. I grew up Catholic and was very skeptical about the whole thing by age 12. I knew I was out on religion the day I moved out of my parents house.

Around that time (circa 2000) the priests banging altar boys scandal exploded nationwide. The church did little to stop it and tried to sweep it under the rug. This, to me, lowered my opinion of the Catholic church. I thought, “I am supposed to look toward the clergy for moral guidance, yet many are out here molesting young boys and the Vatican is helping cover it up.”

My opinion of Catholic priests and Catholicism as a whole dropped. I don’t believe every Catholic priest is bad, but I don’t also assume they’re automatically good just because of their profession. Same applies to evangelical pastors who fleece their flocks, cheat on their spouses, get caught having gay sex after making a career denouncing homosexuality, etc.

I think TCurtis is trying to say that when alleged holy men and women commit unholy acts, it lessens the credibility of their message.


One of the main issues with religion are the people following it.
 
I appreciate your efforts to live your faith. I never bought into the story, so I live my life my own way, which probably is similar to yours outside of the religious aspect - try to be kind, lend a helping hand, lend a friendly ear and try to use empathy and compassion for others even when it’s not easy. The only difference is one of us believes a god is watching us do that stuff, one does not.

I would like it if all clergy who didn’t practice what they preach are excommunicated from their profession. Often times that’s not the case. The offending clergy is usually shuffled off to another congregation elsewhere who is not familiar with the person’s previous misdeeds.

I know the Southern Baptist Convention was dealing with a sex scandal of its own recently (700+ alleged victims of sexual abuse since 1998), and their response was about as toothless as the response from the Vatican.

I am in full agreement about not placing humans on a pedestal. I am the same with professions. Are all military, cops, teachers, nurses, clergy, etc., automatically awesome people because of their profession? Of course not. Are most of them? Probably. I tend to evaluate character on a case by case basis, and profession and which god they do/don’t pray to have little to do with said evaluation. Which leads me to lament that I’ve been called a bad or evil parson many times by believers for not believing in the same god as they do. Two way street there, IMO.
First, I would apologize to you on behalf of all Christians, for those who have treated you in that manner. The Bible teaches that we are all sinful and in need of the saving grace we can only find in our belief of Jesus' death on the cross for our sins. I am sorry you were treated that way.

Second, if anyone else is interested, below is text directly from the Bible, describing qualifications to be a Pastor/Elder:

1 Timothy Ch 3: "Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer (pastor) desires a noble task. Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.”

Titus Ch 1: "The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you. An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.”
 
Have at it but his being white had nothing to do with his con job. He specifically said God told him to set up this crypto and to use his congregation to help. That is using Christianity/religion as an excuse. I question white people daily because of what they do not because they are white unless they use being white as and excuse to justify their behavior like this guy did with Christianity.

lol, how can a pRoGrEsSiVe question people for using their skin color or identity as a justification for their behavior? By applying the Woke Privilege Hierarchy, of course. And white Christian males are at the bottom of the list. Thus this thread.

You might want to focus on cleaning up your own house of corruption, comrade.
 
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Hahaha. FALSE. They get popped all of the time. You rarely hear about it.


Depends on your definition of a lot. There are over 1 million licensed doctors in the US. While I can’t find a specific number, what I have found is less than 500 were charged with fraud last year. You can’t go a single day without at least one “pastor” in the news for nefarious reasons. In 2021, approximately 455k were employed as clergy which includes more than just pastors.
 
Depends on your definition of a lot. There are over 1 million licensed doctors in the US. While I can’t find a specific number, what I have found is less than 500 were charged with fraud last year. You can’t go a single day without at least one “pastor” in the news for nefarious reasons. In 2021, approximately 455k were employed as clergy which includes more than just pastors.
How many pastors did you find in your study?
 
It’s not like the guy raped hundreds of thousands of boys then hid the evidence for decades or anything.

I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
 
His actions make me a suspect?

Have you thought this through?

His actions make me a suspect?

Have you thought this through?
His actions as a Christian pastor bring your actions into question as a Christian when added to Kim Davis actions and every other incident where Christians use their faith as an excuse for bad behavior. Christianity as a whole gets more doubts and by default you as a Christian deal with more doubts. You can disprove those doubts by your actions but until you do, you face those doubts IMO.
 
The guy took advantage of rubes who also were being greedy. This is quite a bit different than a Jerry Falwell type. At least with Falwell you can feel bad for the people who donated.
 
No for sure, I’m just saying this is yet another example of why people question white people. He’s on there as an example of white people, and he’s stealing. Just a bad look for the whites. And then you kinda start looking into all the weird and terrible shit white people are into and you get why people question them.
Same applies to “black” people, “red” people, “yellow” people, gay people, women, men, CEOs, teachers, rural people, urban people, union workers, Mexicans, Canadians, French people, French Creole people, southerners, northerners, New Yorkers, Californians, Bostonians, UK fans, Reds fans, Louisvillians, old people, young people, teenagers, yada, yada, yada.

In a word, people.
 
Kim Davis actions and every other incident where Christians use their faith as an excuse for bad behavior.
Kim Davis did nothing wrong. We allowed gay marriage and 10 years later doctors are cutting off 10 year olds’ dicks and grown men are allowed to play women’s sports. Kim knew what the f was up and tried to protect society.
 
Kim Davis did nothing wrong. We allowed gay marriage and 10 years later doctors are cutting off 10 year olds’ dicks and grown men are allowed to play women’s sports. Kim knew what the f was up and tried to protect society.
Kim Davis did do something wrong. She violated a Supreme Court order and refused to perform the job responsibilities she was elected to do. She used religion as an excuse for her bigotry. Don’t like gay marriage then don’t marry another man (assuming you are a guy). I have yet to hear of any doctor cutting off 10 year olds dicks. I guess those of us who have an issue with Christianity (or maybe I should say most Christians) are just trying to protect society as well.

I’m sure this is just an attempt at a troll post based on other posts by you through out the years.
 
Kim Davis did do something wrong. She violated a Supreme Court order and refused to perform the job responsibilities she was elected to do. She used religion as an excuse for her bigotry. Don’t like gay marriage then don’t marry another man (assuming you are a guy). I have yet to hear of any doctor cutting off 10 year olds dicks. I guess those of us who have an issue with Christianity (or maybe I should say most Christians) are just trying to protect society as well.

I’m sure this is just an attempt at a troll post based on other posts by you through out the years.

The Supreme Court makes mistakes (see Roe v Wade). Strong men and women stand up for what’s right.
 
The Supreme Court makes mistakes (see Roe v Wade). Strong men and women stand up for what’s right.
So strong men and women should stand up for the reproductive rights of women. Got it. Glad you agree with that.

Whether you agree that the law was right or wrong, it was the law and Kim Davis was required to follow that law. She didn’t and she was in violation of the law which by default is doing something wrong.

I can think that a speed limit law is wrong and refuse to follow it thereby standing up for what I feel is right. If get pulled over, that defense is not going to hold up in court. Try that yourself. Pick a law that you think is wrong and break it but make sure you get caught. In court, use the defense that you were just standing up for what is right. Report back here and let us all know how it goes. Depending on the law, we may not see you for 5 to 10 years or longer though.

And again, I’m pretty confident this was yet another poor attempt at a troll job by you.
 
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I would like it if all clergy who didn’t practice what they preach are excommunicated from their profession.

Who would decide who gets canceled? You? The person who does not believe, but seems concerned about the clergy of a faith to which you don’t subscribe?


Which leads me to lament that I’ve been called a bad or evil parson many times by believers for not believing in the same god as they do. Two way street there, IMO.
That sucks. If you mean by “two-way street” that believers are called names by non-believers for not believing what they believe, then we agree. Because you don’t have to scroll far to see non-believers calling believers ugly names and belittling believers for faith. Not far at all. You know what I mean.
 
The person who is the subject of this thread does look like a con man which would make most believers, and apparently non-believers, doubt he has a faith in the Biblical Jesus. And, if he does not have a faith, but is just conning people, he may very well be an atheist on the grift.
 
So strong men and women should stand up for the reproductive rights of women. Got it. Glad you agree with that.

Whether you agree that the law was right or wrong, it was the law and Kim Davis was required to follow that law. She didn’t and she was in violation of the law which by default is doing something wrong.

I can think that a speed limit law is wrong and refuse to follow it thereby standing up for what I feel is right. If get pulled over, that defense is not going to hold up in court. Try that yourself. Pick a law that you think is wrong and break it but make sure you get caught. In court, use the defense that you were just standing up for what is right. Report back here and let us all know how it goes. Depending on the law, we may not see you for 5 to 10 years or longer though.

And again, I’m pretty confident this was yet another poor attempt at a troll job by you.
There will be a statue of Kim Davis on the courthouse lawn in 3 years. Trump will restore order.
 

If it's any consolation (and I'm a self-professed Christian, hard as that might be to believe), Jesus Christ wasn't very big on organized religion either. He was pretty outspoken about it LOL. According to the New Testament, that's what got him into hot water. He wasn't rabble-rousing about the government, it was the olden day versions of Jim Bakker, Jerry Falwell, Oral Roberts, Westboro Baptist church etc.

I'm not trying to convert anyone here, I'm just trying to separate the messenger/message, and the vile, self-serving con artists (sometimes individuals, and sometimes enormous conglomerations) that twisted it for gain.
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Yeah I’m pretty sure they were mad at him for saying you DONT need all that stuff, like rabbis and organization, you can just talk to his yourself at home, hence taking power away from the synagogues and govt.
And by default Christians because he is supposed to be that example of Christianity. Then throw in that he is attempting to excuse his behavior by saying "God told him to do a home remodel".
Every Christian is supposed to be an example of Christianity, he’s no different and every single Christian and person sins every day.
I appreciate your efforts to live your faith. I never bought into the story, so I live my life my own way, which probably is similar to yours outside of the religious aspect - try to be kind, lend a helping hand, lend a friendly ear and try to use empathy and compassion for others even when it’s not easy. The only difference is one of us believes a god is watching us do that stuff, one does not.

I would like it if all clergy who didn’t practice what they preach are excommunicated from their profession. Often times that’s not the case. The offending clergy is usually shuffled off to another congregation elsewhere who is not familiar with the person’s previous misdeeds.

I know the Southern Baptist Convention was dealing with a sex scandal of its own recently (700+ alleged victims of sexual abuse since 1998), and their response was about as toothless as the response from the Vatican.

I am in full agreement about not placing humans on a pedestal. I am the same with professions. Are all military, cops, teachers, nurses, clergy, etc., automatically awesome people because of their profession? Of course not. Are most of them? Probably. I tend to evaluate character on a case by case basis, and profession and which god they do/don’t pray to have little to do with said evaluation. Which leads me to lament that I’ve been called a bad or evil parson many times by believers for not believing in the same god as they do. Two way street there, IMO.
Do you think if you mess up at your job and don’t do exactly what you tell your boss you’ll do, maybe take a tissue box or some tape, some printer paper, etc you should be fired from your job and lose any opportunity in your career?
Depends on your definition of a lot. There are over 1 million licensed doctors in the US. While I can’t find a specific number, what I have found is less than 500 were charged with fraud last year. You can’t go a single day without at least one “pastor” in the news for nefarious reasons. In 2021, approximately 455k were employed as clergy which includes more than just pastors.
“News”, I think I found your first problem. I haven’t seen a pastor in the news in years probably.

There are lawyers and accountants and bankers and doctors that break the rules and “oaths” every single day and very likely at the same clip as any other job in the same category because you know, people. They’re the same no matter the job, social or income status.
 
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His actions as a Christian pastor bring your actions into question as a Christian when added to Kim Davis actions and every other incident where Christians use their faith as an excuse for bad behavior.
This is gibberish. You know this, I hope. As best I can tell, you’re promoting guilt by association.

At worst, you display a fundamental misunderstanding of responsibility.

If Jesus told his followers that they should scam others, you’d be on to something and rightfully so. He didn’t. I don’t. This pastor has nothing to do with him. Or me.

This isn’t difficult.
 
My favorite part is “the Lord told them to do a home remodel”. This is just an example of why many question Christians and Christianity.

As a Christian, I agree, but I imagine every religion has its con-artists. We already know the non-religious has them.

That said, no one is perfect nor should they be expected to be so. The problem is people putting their faith in a man/woman instead of their religions teachings.

People are sadly gullible and a sucker is born every minute.

Its good that you don't blindly trust any pastor or nearly any person.
 
His actions as a Christian pastor bring your actions into question as a Christian when added to Kim Davis actions and every other incident where Christians use their faith as an excuse for bad behavior. Christianity as a whole gets more doubts and by default you as a Christian deal with more doubts. You can disprove those doubts by your actions but until you do, you face those doubts IMO.

Burn/Loot/Murder, massive protests calling for Jewish genocide, insane, divisive, destructive DEI bullshit, Postmodern moral relativism, nihilism, ..., I could write pages, but there's no need.

The record of the followers of your pRoGrEsSiVe ideology (religion really) and it's civilization destroying doctrines give you no right or authority to condemn any other entire group of people for the actions of some. WTH do you think you are? GTFOH with that uppity hypocrisy.

I've criticized religion as much as anybody on here, and I agree that the dirtbag in this example deserves it. However, unlike Christianity, your religion has zero redeeming qualities. It certainly has no record to justify your pompous ass, holier-than-thou attitude talking down to people about their faith. They could easily use the same ridiculous argument against you.
 
Do you think if you mess up at your job and don’t do exactly what you tell your boss you’ll do, maybe take a tissue box or some tape, some printer paper, etc you should be fired from your job and lose any opportunity in your career?

Misuse of office supplies isn’t comparable to someone being a beacon of moral light for others bilking their flock out of money to build themselves a home and saying “God told me to build this fancy home with your money”

A better comparison would be if I worked at a bank and was stealing money out of the vault and was caught. I would never be able to work in the financial sector again. Clergy caught in money or sex scandals including adultery and pedophilia should no longer be guiding others on how to live a godly life. I know, repentance and forgiveness and whatever but a good person doesn’t do that shit in the first place.
 
Misuse of office supplies isn’t comparable to someone being a beacon of moral light for others bilking their flock out of money to build themselves a home and saying “God told me to build this fancy home with your money”

A better comparison would be if I worked at a bank and was stealing money out of the vault and was caught. I would never be able to work in the financial sector again. Clergy caught in money or sex scandals including adultery and pedophilia should no longer be guiding others on how to live a godly life. I know, repentance and forgiveness and whatever but a good person doesn’t do that shit in the first place.
Sure that’s a better comparison but what I was responding to wasn’t, at least didn’t say it was, talking about pedophilia. If you commit that crime you should probably die so I don’t think you need to worry about working.

I was responding to a post saying how can you look up to a holy man who sins? Well we all sin even holy men.
 
Sure that’s a better comparison but what I was responding to wasn’t, at least didn’t say it was, talking about pedophilia. If you commit that crime you should probably die so I don’t think you need to worry about working.

I was responding to a post saying how can you look up to a holy man who sins? Well we all sin even holy men.
Yes "holy men" sin but how many fleece their congregation of 1.3 million dollars and then basically say God told me to do it. Don't act like this guy is guilty of eating a few grapes in the grocery store prior to weighing them and paying for them. Not all sin is the same.
 
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