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Excellent piece that you wrote up.
dude running around with an improperly tagged vehicle, no operator's license on him, a big bottle of gin, probably drunk, car probably had no insurance, probably all sorts of shit wrong going on, dude had no intention of getting out, no intention of complying with the officer, fully intended to bolt, bolt he did . . .
. . . why the hell did he even bother to pull over to begin with?
dude running around with an improperly tagged vehicle, no operator's license on him, a big bottle of gin, probably drunk, car probably had no insurance, probably all sorts of shit wrong going on, dude had no intention of getting out, no intention of complying with the officer, fully intended to bolt, bolt he did . . .
. . . why the hell did he even bother to pull over to begin with?
That's a pretty horrible post. First off police were unnecessarily shooting black men long before recent times - it was just easier to get away with it back then. Disagree with almost everything else you posted as well - way to generalize an entire profession based upon a few bad apples.
It appears I am talking about the 3rd video...I saw it today and thought it was the second. I am not sure how hard it is to understand that since I said the video I saw started with him running from at least a block away...Pretty easy to determine that I was talking about the 3rd video.
On a side note, do you really want to keep the name Bill Cosby with all that is going on with him?
I am not using the race card here, though I do think the young cop was afraid, one could say those killings are not proportional to the population. 11% or so of the pop, yet 55% of the deaths in comparison to whites? At least something to consider. As I said, I havent mentioned race here, I think it was just a rookie cop who went to far and slipped up bad.Can we please stop with the black people getting shot all the time shit. It goes both ways.
"In 2012, according to the CDC, 140 blacks were killed by police. That same year 386 whites were killed by police. Over the 13-year period from 1999 to 2011, the CDC reports that 2,151 whites were killed by cops — and 1,130 blacks were killed by cops."
He left out, "probably just robbed a liquor store and on his way to rape some white girls." And it's the Krogers. Geez.I love the "big bottle of gin, probably drunk" part. First, that's not a "big bottle," it's an effing pint (or half pint). It also appears to be unopened, or at least full. If you get pulled over with a brand new 12 pack in your car, does that mean you're "probably drunk," or that you're just coming from the kroger up the street?
Can we please stop with the black people getting shot all the time shit. It goes both ways.
"In 2012, according to the CDC, 140 blacks were killed by police. That same year 386 whites were killed by police. Over the 13-year period from 1999 to 2011, the CDC reports that 2,151 whites were killed by cops — and 1,130 blacks were killed by cops."
Considering white people make up roughly 77 % of the nations population and African Americans make up only 12%, it's probably safe to say those numbers aren't so black and white.Can we please stop with the black people getting shot all the time shit. It goes both ways.
"In 2012, according to the CDC, 140 blacks were killed by police. That same year 386 whites were killed by police. Over the 13-year period from 1999 to 2011, the CDC reports that 2,151 whites were killed by cops — and 1,130 blacks were killed by cops."
it's probably safe to say those numbers aren't so black and white.
But instead of remaining calm and respectful, we have people saying you shouldn't have to take that cops shit. "Don't let him disrespect you. Show him who actually has the authority. If the cop asks you to take your seat belt of, and you don't think he asked politely enough, start your car and gun the engine. Until we start showing the cops who has the real authority, nothing will change."
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Have you ever had a cop try and open your door for no damn good reason with the intention of pulling you out of the car? I know I haven't. I would like to think that in that situation I would react in a rational manner, like you are arguing, but you know what? I might not. In fact I will probably panic. Does that mean I deserve to die? Does that mean I deserve to have my ass beat? Does that mean I deserve to be treated like garbage? Everyone knows that Dubose could have done somethings differently. But you're trying to attach rational behavior to an irrational situation. It's flawed. You know what would have saved Dubose? A competent cop that could have assessed the situation rationally and calmly.I think the thing that annoys me the most about this topic is the flat out refusal from some people to acknowledge Dubose should have acted differently. No, he didn't deserve to get shot. He didn't deserve a death sentence for his actions. Everyone is saying the cop was wrong.
But, if you're in the same situation as Dubose, don't do what Dubose did. It's that damn simple. If the cop is being an asshole, what is fighting him going to accomplish? There are better times and places to fight that battle than in a tense situation like that. You have got to play the odds. There's no sense in trying to become a martyr. If a cop is an asshole to begin with, do you think being an asshole back is going to calm the situation down? File a complaint. Sue. Do whatever you have to do. Fighting or trying to flee in your vehicle from a cop with a gun and backup on the way is just stupid.
There are times in life you have to bite your tongue. What if your boss is a dick? Are you going to be a dick right back? Or do you stop and think, "Maybe acting like an asshole to the person with the authority in this situation, even though he may unjustifiably be acting like an asshole, would make things worse."
Additionally, you guys get so damn upset about the big bad government over stepping it's authority because a UC cop shot a guy AND WAS CHARGED WITH MURDER. Meanwhile, every single post you've made on the topic is likely logged in a federal government server somewhere next to your other personal data.
Can we please, please just get one fraction of the outrage over that Constitutional overstep as we get over a situation where a cop shoots a guy and is charged with murder.
If everyone behaved like you, citizen of the year, then we wouldn't have these situations. I applaud your self awareness. But people react differently. I expect cops to handle the situations accordingly. When they don't handle them appropriately then I'm going to do what I'm doing right now. He was charged with murder. If he is convicted and the punishment suits the crime then I will praise the system for getting this one right. My suspicion is that he will serve a lesser sentence. I will not be surprised if he is even found not guilty. History, ya know?I've never had a cop open my door for no damn good reason with the intention of pulling me out of the car. But neither did Dubose.
I've also never refused to answer a cop's question about whether or not I had my license on me.
In the situations I've been in, I've tended to answer the cop's questions directly. Given him my license. Informed him I have my CCDW but there are no weapons in the vehicle. Honestly, in every situation I've ever been in, I remained calm, answered the cop's questions, and left with whatever ticket or citation I deserved.
I can't tell you how I'd react if I refused to answer a cop's questions and he tried to open my car door. I can tell you, turning my car on and trying to speed off would be far down the list of things I'd do.
Lastly, THE GODDAM COP WAS CHARGED WITH MURDER. It's beyond me how you're trying to take this situation and stretch it into a systemic problem.
But we already have an 8 page thread on needless violence? Ohhhh, you want us to hold criminals and cops to the same standard. I see.By the way, Bristol, a 4 year old girl was shot in a drive by in Avondale last night. She's in critical condition. Hopefully you sleep poorly tonight and we can get an 8 page thread about the needless violence.
Certainly not something you'd be shot over (assuming you are white)
People keep saying that he should have remained calm and answered the cop's questions. They must've seen a different video then I did..
I think this is the problem.
Literally, every time you've said you saw something in the video, it has been wrong.
Go back and watch the correct videos. If you are watching a video where a guy is sitting in a car and actually answering the cops questions and not being evasive, then you are watching the wrong video. Maybe that could clear up a lot of your confusion.
Depends on what you get pulled over for. No front license plate? I would say no big deal. Petty. Driving under the influence and putting your life and other lives at risk? That's a bigger deal. Still you probably shouldn't be shot over it.So I guess next time I get pulled over I'm gonna act stupid and play dumb and then drive off to avoid the ticket. Because apparently that's not a big deal.
Depends on what you get pulled over for. No front license plate? I would say no big deal. Petty. Driving under the influence and putting your life and other lives at risk? That's a bigger deal. Still you probably shouldn't be shot over it.
I didn't say he had the right. I just said it wasn't a big deal and definitely didn't warrant him getting his brains blown out.Ohhhhhh I get it now. He had the right to drive off bc he was pulled over for something little....against the law.....but little.
At least your tone has changed somewhat in this posting...Yea man they are unjustified. I'm not disagreeing or taking up for the cops. This particular case that we are discussing in this thread though, the driver could've acted differently and not made the cop form a stupid, rash decision. Terrible situation. Nobody on here is justifying the shooting. But until things change with the police what are we supposed to do?
I mean the way I look at it, if you atleast try to follow orders (regardless of how unfair they are) then it might save your life. At the very least it increased our chances right? This driver tried to drive away. Nothing good can come from attempting to flee. Hopefully the police system can change. But until then I hope people can take the high road and just swallow their pride. That seems like the smarter option at this point.
If you don't agree with trying to be civil and follow orders, what do you propose? I'm absolutely willing to admit I'm wrong, but that just seems like the logical choice here till something else is done.
More lie's. She struck an officer, that's considered fighting. .