you'd think this is common sense. Apparently not.
He was about as calm as you could be until the cop put his hands on him without provocation.
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you'd think this is common sense. Apparently not.
Hahahaha cb you're just as dumb as the driver. I agree with you. The cop IS WRONG!!!! But what the hell are you gonna do in the situation? I'm gonna do what he says. I don't want to, but if it saves your life why not? I don't know how to fix the police system and if you do, I hope you do it. But till then I'm gonna make the smartest decision possible which is just cooperating. Then turn the cop in afterwards.
If I die bc I was being smart by following orders then I'm just shit out of luck.
He was about as calm as you could be until the cop put his hands on him without provocation.
Man I'm afraid we may lose some posters if they get pulled over and don't agree.
Unfortunately it looks like it will be only the African American ones.
Well apparently there are cops who will shoot you in the back just for reaching for your license after they asked you to get it, so I'm not sure "doing what you're told" is sufficient.If so, hopefully they do what they're told.
Well apparently there are cops who will shoot you in the back just for reaching for your license after they asked you to get it, so I'm not sure "doing what you're told" is sufficient.
No, talking about one of the SC shootings from earlier this year.Oh so the driver didn't try to drive away and escape? Ok.
No, talking about one of the SC shootings from earlier this year.
I know, there have been so many unjustified police shootings as of late that it's tough to keep track, so I sympathize.
Getting pulled over by the cops shouldn't be a terrifying, life-threatening experience. It should probably suck, because you're about to get a ticket, or maybe they'll find some weed and take you to jail, or whatever may be the case, but you shouldn't have to fear for your life. I shouldn't have to worry about getting a gd bullet to the dome for reaching in my console the wrong way, or because I didn't follow the officer's instructions correctly.
I can accept that if I'm a belligerent smartass, or I'm resisting arrest, or trying to flee the scene that my punishment will increase exponentially. I should never have to fear that doing any one of those things will get me killed, because it shouldn't.
You can say "just do what the cops says and your punishment won't be as bad", but I'll never be on board with "just do what the cop says and you won't get killed."
Cops are supposed to know what to do when someone doesn't comply with a command. A mistake or poor judgement by a civilian who isn't a threat to the cop should NEVER result in the use of deadly force. People are going to do stupid things...they're going to run. So what? It just adds to their charges once they are apprehended. Unless they're posing a threat to the cop then the cop's weapon should stay in its holster.What's funny is that we all agree the cop is wrong. But the other half can't comprehend that just following orders could've saved his life and that the stupidity of the driver lead to his death. Wtf do you wanna do? Take down the police dept? Fine go ahead but I'll stick to just avoiding these situations.
How about a compromise?
----It'll increase your chances?---
The 2nd body cam doesn't show anything one way or the other because when the action is occurring the 2nd cop is in his car and the body cam is filming the steering wheel.
Maybe the 3rd body cam will show more - hope it helps out more than the second.
... It's a tough situation...
No. When he gets out of the car you can see the other cop on the ground.It shows that he was at the very least a block away and had no vision of what was going on clearly...It shows that much of his report was inaccurate.
No. When he gets out of the car you can see the other cop on the ground.
There is no way to tell what he could see by that video.
If abh is siding with the victim here, anyone on the other side should really take a deeper look at his/her self.
On this same note, anyone who is remotely siding with John Blue needs to reconsider their life direction.
You find yourself agreeing, I know it, you know it, and now everyone knows it.
That's a pretty horrible post. First off police were unnecessarily shooting black men long before recent times - it was just easier to get away with it back then. Disagree with almost everything else you posted as well - way to generalize an entire profession based upon a few bad apples.
The second cop video came out yesterday. It shows him on the ground. There's a pic on one of these pages.
The third video came out today and starts with the cop running.
The shooters video also shows him on the ground.
DK what the hell tcurtis is talking about.
I think it's weird that people don't seem to mind killing another person these days. It seems in the past, people would grieve over having to kill someone, even if they had no choice. Now it seems like people are itching for a reason to pop someone. That's strange to me.
FALSEThe older days, cops were your friends, neighbors, trust in doing the right thing, drive you home when you had too much to drink, change a flat on the interstate type guy.
Have fun with that. I'll just post the rest of the bit I took the excerpt from a few posts back, so you'll maybe understand why you do not have to do what a cop tells you at all times in all situations:
Okay. So how can I keep police from searching my car?
Simply understanding the legal definition of probable cause probably won’t be enough to prepare you for the pressure and confusion of a real police encounter.
Most police are able to exploit a major loophole to the probable cause search requirement. But by following these basic rules, you’ll be better able to prevent police from tricking you into giving up your your constitutional rights. You’ll also improve your odds of driving away safely.
Always Be Calm & Cool
If police flag you down, pull over immediately, turn off your car, and place your hands on the wheel. Police like to see your hands for their own safety — so wait until they request your paperwork before reaching for it. At night, it’s also a good idea to turn on the dome light, so the officer can see you’re not armed.
Always greet policemen and policewomen as “Officer”. For example, you may start off with “Good afternoon, Officer. How’s it going today?” Under no circumstances should you ever talk back, raise your voice, or use profanity with a police officer. Being hostile with police is stupid and dangerous. You can’t win that game.
If the officer writes you a ticket, accept it quietly and never complain. Listen to any instruction on paying the fine or contesting the ticket, and drive away slowly.
Remain Silent: What You Don’t Say Can’t Hurt You
Police may try to get you to admit to having broken a law. For example, an officer may ask, “Do you know how fast you were going?”
You may assert your 5th Amendment protection against self-incrimination by refusing to admit you might have broken a law. As such, the best answer to that and similar questions is “No, Officer.”
Because anything you say can and will be used against you in court, the less you say the better. You also don’t want to announce to police that you know your rights. They’ll take that as a challenge. Just keep quiet and calm.
You Have the Right to Refuse Search Requests
Police may order the driver and any passengers out of the vehicle. If this happens, step out of the car. If they have reasonable suspicion to detain you, police may frisk the outside of your clothing to check for weapons, but only if they have a basis for suspecting you’re armed.
If police detain and frisk you, you have the right to clearly state your refusal to consent to the search. For example, you may say “Officer, I’m not resisting. I do not consent to this search.”But you should only verbally refuse. Never physically resist. Just touching an officer could get you tasered or beaten. You could also get a felony charge for assaulting a police officer.
Whether they frisk you or not, police may ask you a series of questions. They will probably include something like “You don’t mind if I have a look in your car?” Beware of that question: It’s the legal loophole that the officer wants to snare you in. (It might even sound like a command, but it’s technically a request.)
In response to such request, you may politely decline by saying “Officer, I know you’re just doing your job, but I don’t consent to searches.” Some officers may use their authority to make you feel obligated to prove your innocence by asking “What do you have to hide?” Don’t fall for such tricks. If necessary, repeat your refusal.
Remember: The 4th Amendment protects your right to refuse search requests, but it doesn’t require police to tell you about your right to refuse. In fact, consenting to searches automatically makes them legal in the eyes of the law. So if you’re pulled over, don’t try to figure out whether or not the officer has probable cause to legally search you. You always have the right to refuse searches.
Refusing a search request is not an admission of guilt and does not give the officer the legal right to search or detain you. In fact, most avoidable police searches don’t occur because police have probable cause. They occur because people get tricked or intimidated into consenting to search requests.
If police search your car and find illegal items despite your refusal, your lawyer can file a motion to suppress — or throw out — the evidence in court. If the judge agrees that the officer’s search violated the 4th Amendment’s probable cause requirements, she’ll grant the motion. Unless the prosecution has other evidence, your charges would be dismissed.
Determine if You’re Free to Go
Unless you’re detained or arrested, you may terminate the encounter anytime. But don’t wait for the officer to dismiss you. Ask if you’re free to go.
For example, if an officer threatens to call in a K-9 unit if you refuse a search, you should ask“Officer, are you detaining me, or am I free to go?”
Not only can this line can help withdraw you from an encounter, it also deflects any of the officer’s probing questions or threats. So if an officer says “If you cooperate with me, everything will go easy for you.” You may respond by saying either “Officer, I don’t consent to any searches” or “Officer, am I free to go?”
If the officer lets you leave, do so immediately. If the officer’s answer is unclear, or if he asks additional questions, persist by repeating “Officer, am I free to go?”
Ask for a Lawyer
If you are not free to go, you are being detained. The officer might have some reason to suspect you of a crime, and you may be arrested.
In such a situation, your magic words are “I’m going to remain silent. I would like to see a lawyer.” These magic words are like a legal condom. They’re your best protection if you’re under arrest.
Never rely on police to inform you of your right to remain silent and see a lawyer. Repeat the magic words as necessary, but say no more. Remember that anything you say can and will be used against you in court.